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Miragee
8695 Posts
The nerf is pretty hilarious. Also because the community usually cries about nerfs and no buffs. Now they add an insane buff and people are immediately calling to nerf it before the league even started? lol Apparently PoB has been updated with the 3.21 tree. Let the fun begin! | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
I think the nerf is good. Even on left click I wouldn't have liked it being in the game and absolutely every build taking it. | ||
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Miragee
8695 Posts
On April 05 2023 04:02 HolydaKing wrote: Spectre builds are merely OK nowadays, nothing like in the past. Spell Slinger builds can work, Mathil did a fairly good build last league IIRC. Archmage is pretty much dead, yep... I think the nerf is good. Even on left click I wouldn't have liked it being in the game and absolutely every build taking it. Right, Adrenaline is too OP to not have it for 10 % mana reservation. There is still perma Onslaught on stance swap for those who mourn the removal of onslaugh support. | ||
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nukem1
345 Posts
On April 03 2023 08:48 EchelonTee wrote: The Wither node is quite powerful but yeah... I have seen some talk of Impending Doom, has anyone here played that? Or maybe Poison BV? Poison SST feels like it could be good if Crucible helps out there I've played Necro Impending Doom last league. Think Manni leveled to 100 in like 3 days on it. Can be done on Pathfinder too, Steel played it. Ziz had a vid on it. Rue has pobs, but I didn't follow his exactly. It's actually pretty relaxing because pops and curses make it safe, similar play style to Bane, kinda. Both TyTy and Tuna seem to be practicing it for leaguestart, I would rather advise either leveling with something else or making it a second char. Like most chaos builds, gem levels matter quite a bit. Not sure if Vixen's is mandatory, but big. Can improve a lot with investment, Awakened cascade makes for another hit, for example, but was expensive last league (I did not get it). There are also cooldown thresholds, though not difficult to manage. Paak has some breakdown here. And a bit of attention on placement (think it was just behind the mob). Fast, Fun and easy to play. | ||
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Miragee
8695 Posts
Prismatic burst actually looks pretty good. Momentum looks really cool. I like the idea at least, we need to see how it plays out but the numbers on it are really high. Manaforged arrows looks cool as well but that's something to try later on. | ||
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Espelz
Germany833 Posts
On April 05 2023 17:57 nukem1 wrote: I've played Necro Impending Doom last league. Think Manni leveled to 100 in like 3 days on it. Can be done on Pathfinder too, Steel played it. Ziz had a vid on it. Rue has pobs, but I didn't follow his exactly. It's actually pretty relaxing because pops and curses make it safe, similar play style to Bane, kinda. Both TyTy and Tuna seem to be practicing it for leaguestart, I would rather advise either leveling with something else or making it a second char. Like most chaos builds, gem levels matter quite a bit. Not sure if Vixen's is mandatory, but big. Can improve a lot with investment, Awakened cascade makes for another hit, for example, but was expensive last league (I did not get it). There are also cooldown thresholds, though not difficult to manage. Paak has some breakdown here. And a bit of attention on placement (think it was just behind the mob). Fast, Fun and easy to play. Not an expert on impending doom builds by any means, but i suppose there has to be a lot of overlap with generic chaos caster builds, right? I´d be surprised if you couldnt just play bane / ed or bane/blight till you get a pair of vixens Anyhow, my plans for league start are a bit unclear, mostly because my father in law decided to come back from his vacation super sick, not tell anyone, dont get tested and then proceed to cough in our faces for some time until we left. So yeah. My 3 year no corona streak is officially broken and i kinda feel REALLY shitty. And angry. league start maybe a few days later for me. Might just pull up a totem build and go with it then when i feel better, cant think right now. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On April 05 2023 23:35 Miragee wrote: Have you seen the numbers on vaal firestorm? :D They surely embrace the skill being a meme now. I wonder if you can scale ignite and burning ground into absurdity and make a boss killer with it. Or ignite prolif the whole map? lol Prismatic burst actually looks pretty good. Momentum looks really cool. I like the idea at least, we need to see how it plays out but the numbers on it are really high. Manaforged arrows looks cool as well but that's something to try later on. The skill was not a meme before. It had slightly worse dps than Fireball for ignite and better dps than say Armageddon Brand. I played a Firestorm build 3 leagues ago and it was a fairly safe playstyle and good clear with ignite prolif, but also "just" around 1m dps which isn't alot anymore nowadays. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
I spent a bunch of time trying to find another DoT build that works with PF and wasn't really satisfied with any of them. Ruetoo has a poison Exsanguinate / Stormburst build but it runs 2x Obliteration and I'd rather play a build that more easily uses Crucible trees. Decided to say fck it and going Boneshatter Slayer. I actually never played this skill and everyone raves about how its a fast mapper so here I go. Pathfinder for a second build if I play long enough | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
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Miragee
8695 Posts
On April 06 2023 04:19 HolydaKing wrote: The skill was not a meme before. It had slightly worse dps than Fireball for ignite and better dps than say Armageddon Brand. I played a Firestorm build 3 leagues ago and it was a fairly safe playstyle and good clear with ignite prolif, but also "just" around 1m dps which isn't alot anymore nowadays. That's fair, I remember you playing that. I think that was the league when they buffed ignite, wasn't it? If you had 1 mil ignite dps, that's already 10 mil on vaal firestorm because it has roughly 10 times the base damage. And that's ignoring the burning ground. I settled on Ice Shot as a league starter now. Hope it goes well after the disaster of last league. Kalandra league start wasn't great, either, tbh. I've never built a hit based bow char except for a single end-of-league meme (LA CI Berserker :D). Not sure that bodes too well for me.^^ I have a Rage Vortex build ready as backup which should function well just in case Ice Shot turns out to be garbage (aka I can't kill map bosses). On April 06 2023 06:10 EchelonTee wrote: I think Toxic Rain Pathfinder will be insane, but I am stubborn and don't want to play it (played it like 4 times in the past). Impending doom kinda scuffed as starter, unless you are occultist. I spent a bunch of time trying to find another DoT build that works with PF and wasn't really satisfied with any of them. Ruetoo has a poison Exsanguinate / Stormburst build but it runs 2x Obliteration and I'd rather play a build that more easily uses Crucible trees. Decided to say fck it and going Boneshatter Slayer. I actually never played this skill and everyone raves about how its a fast mapper so here I go. Pathfinder for a second build if I play long enough You mentioned the attack spamming on toxic rain. Have you considered putting it on ballista support? I mean, your other issues with it will still persist but that would at least resolve one of them? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
Yeah, I've since seen Palsteron's TR ballista build. I think that's the best variation, as long as Wilma's helmet isn't too expensive. Zizaran's build needing to path to EB feels a bit painful imo - still strong but more issues for the player to deal with Still I'm set on this Boneshatter stuff, I think it'll be fun to very easily use crucible trees. Easy to swap weapons as an Attack Build, compared to DoT bow you're pretty stuck on Quill Rain -> +3 6L Bow. With attack build, I can have 6L in my chest and swap weapons without having to worry about links | ||
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Miragee
8695 Posts
On April 07 2023 01:47 EchelonTee wrote: I feel strongly that Lightning Arrow will just be straight up better than Ice Shot, but it's a simple gem swap to test both. I think the biggest issue will be defenses - with the Molten Shell nerf + harder reservation, Deadeyes are pretty squishy. If I was playing that build I would go Raider personally, even tho Deadeye's damage/utility is so much better. Ascendency swap later Yeah, I've since seen Palsteron's TR ballista build. I think that's the best variation, as long as Wilma's helmet isn't too expensive. Zizaran's build needing to path to EB feels a bit painful imo - still strong but more issues for the player to deal with Still I'm set on this Boneshatter stuff, I think it'll be fun to very easily use crucible trees. Easy to swap weapons as an Attack Build, compared to DoT bow you're pretty stuck on Quill Rain -> +3 6L Bow. With attack build, I can have 6L in my chest and swap weapons without having to worry about links Yeah, LA will likely be stronger but w/e. And as you said, in this case it's simply a gem swap, though I suppose LA needs a few more arrows that Ice Shot for clear since the aoe is smaller? And I'm going with Raider. It's my go to comfy pick on that side of the tree for league start because it brings everything for a smooth start without having to invest into any gear. I haven't seen those builds, but if they have videos for it they are probably very solid. Boneshatter sounds like a fun choice, too, and as you have said, it's probably easier to swap weapons compared to toxic rain. Although I suppose, you could scout bases for your first +3 bow while still on quill rain. Once you have crafted a +3 bow, you then scout for an even better crucible base to upgrade again. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
I think so yes. Anyway, is the ignite damage really going to be 10* as high? As far as I read the gem, it doesn't carry the massive ignite multiplier. It's 10 times the base damage, but without the 325% multiplier, so it's more like 3-4 times the dmg, isn''t it? | ||
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Miragee
8695 Posts
On April 07 2023 05:29 HolydaKing wrote: @Miragee I think so yes. Anyway, is the ignite damage really going to be 10* as high? As far as I read the gem, it doesn't carry the massive ignite multiplier. It's 10 times the base damage, but without the 325% multiplier, so it's more like 3-4 times the dmg, isn''t it? It's probably more than 10 times if you build it correctly since it has it has 10 times the base damage + 760 % damage effectiveness compared to 325 % ignite multiplier + 80 % damage effectiveness of the basic gem. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vT_9t_0GL6HloynTwF3Ojspch4Q0MJ-u7MFyS6dQ3RLK3ZPgN9MADBrFW4ENayl6p-OT_6dD9Snw1I9/pubhtml + Show Spoiler [video] + Steelmage is doing a "Chat SF" small-ish private league. Has ~4k players right now, more than enough to get uniques but small enough for a different kind of economy to develop. A few of us are playing in it, yall can try it too if it sounds interesting. Still has open slots right now | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On April 07 2023 08:14 Miragee wrote: It's probably more than 10 times if you build it correctly since it has it has 10 times the base damage + 760 % damage effectiveness compared to 325 % ignite multiplier + 80 % damage effectiveness of the basic gem. Woah forgot that, that's true. Holy shit, that's gonna be nice. I just checked my build again (it was in 3.16). You can have 2 milllion dps with medium, fairly achieveable gear, and up to 5 million with trade league investment (not min maxed, but pretty expensive). And that wasn't the most offensive build as it took block and had decent defences. Multiplying that by 10 sounds legit.  | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On April 06 2023 04:03 Espelz wrote: Anyhow, my plans for league start are a bit unclear, mostly because my father in law decided to come back from his vacation super sick, not tell anyone, dont get tested and then proceed to cough in our faces for some time until we left. So yeah. My 3 year no corona streak is officially broken and i kinda feel REALLY shitty. And angry. league start maybe a few days later for me. Might just pull up a totem build and go with it then when i feel better, cant think right now. Oh man, that's rough - hope you pull through as best as possible. Likewise missing league start; traveling in ten hours or so for a family health emergency. Will see how everyone's league starts go and what undocumented changes/rarity shifts have happened / what the new div cards are. Have been tossing up between a CF BL Sire of Shards Ascendant (to try and farm a Hidden Blade & Mjolnir) or an Exsanguinate Chieftain (to try and either farm up Reap gear or an Astral Projector for Scorch Shockwave Totems); the Crucible T5 "all Reap/Exsanguinate damage including the DoT is fire" is kind've making me lean towards the latter - would be fun to get to properly run Cruelty on something. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
hope you feel better espe, and things are ok haasts e. Queue is up | ||
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