• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:33
CEST 03:33
KST 10:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced62
StarCraft 2
General
Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
Global Tourney for College Students in September Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion StarCon Philadelphia Where is technical support? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Bitcoin discussion thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 622 users

Path of Exile - Page 1658

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1747 Next
Guild invites: Message any of EvoSenseOfPride, ScionViableORly, neophyteWham, TheTouchOfGOLD in game
OR
post your character name in the thread and ask for an invite
Private league ladder (finished): https://www.pathofexile.com/private-leagues/league/TeamLiquid and friends
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-21 18:07:05
July 21 2021 16:33 GMT
#33141
On July 21 2021 23:45 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2021 18:38 -Archangel- wrote:
After the patch notes all I can say is fuck them. Even with buffs to SST my last league character is weaker now so I cannot even play him in standard. So I can delete him to open pne character slot, try Necro with new summon and quit sooner than ever..

SST is one of the builds that might even be positively effected and I see a lot of people playing it and there'll probably be good builds for it.

Nah. To do decent damage with it atm you need flasks, good supports, critical, all that was nerfed.
Slight buff to base skill will not be enough kill buffed up rares or bosses. Its single target damage is bad, and terrible with map mods that buff resistances/life or curse you with Enfeeble and such.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
July 21 2021 16:54 GMT
#33142
On July 22 2021 01:33 -Archangel- wrote:
curse you with Enfeeble and such.


Honestly this is something I worry somewhat about. Vuln/Temp Chains/Enfeeble maps could be ignored for the past leagues. I remember being confused in Heist because, and maybe I wrongly remember this, but flasks warding didn't remove perma curses from maps back then, no? Anyways, thoses curses hurt and there is no easy way to trivialise them anymore.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 21 2021 18:14 GMT
#33143
Time to play a Soul Mantle + Hexproof build
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-21 18:21:39
July 21 2021 18:15 GMT
#33144
On July 22 2021 01:33 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2021 23:45 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 21 2021 18:38 -Archangel- wrote:
After the patch notes all I can say is fuck them. Even with buffs to SST my last league character is weaker now so I cannot even play him in standard. So I can delete him to open pne character slot, try Necro with new summon and quit sooner than ever..

SST is one of the builds that might even be positively effected and I see a lot of people playing it and there'll probably be good builds for it.

Nah. To do decent damage with it atm you need flasks, good supports, critical, all that was nerfed.
Slight buff to base skill will not be enough kill buffed up rares or bosses. Its single target damage is bad, and terrible with map mods that buff resistances/life or curse you with Enfeeble and such.

Even when using Critical Strike gem support? That one is pretty legit now, as is the Multiplier one.

Yeah curses are brutal now. Ventrua or Karv, I don't remember which one, was speaking of using 3-4* Kiara's Determination, not sure if meme or not.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
July 22 2021 01:54 GMT
#33145
Boneshatter is looking pretty juicy.

I'm pretty settled on Forbidden Rite Soul Mantle Totems, hoping that the needed items aren't too expensive.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
July 22 2021 04:37 GMT
#33146
On July 22 2021 10:54 EchelonTee wrote:
Boneshatter is looking pretty juicy.

I'm pretty settled on Forbidden Rite Soul Mantle Totems, hoping that the needed items aren't too expensive.


It says damages you, not cost life. So think you need to be chaos immune. Also uses cursor for target, not sure how that works with totem.
GO OG
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 06:47:16
July 22 2021 06:32 GMT
#33147
The targetting should be like any other totem, I don't think that should be a problem.

Totem can get 75% chaos res easy (cluster jewel), but I'm not 100% sure if the skill will work with the saccing life mechanic. Dark Pact does, but the wording is slightly different. If the mechanic does work, the base damage will be bonkers because of totem life scaling

---

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/op73wg/some_thoughts_from_chris/

Chris talking about the changes, worth a read
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
July 22 2021 07:41 GMT
#33148
On July 22 2021 15:32 EchelonTee wrote:
The targetting should be like any other totem, I don't think that should be a problem.

Totem can get 75% chaos res easy (cluster jewel), but I'm not 100% sure if the skill will work with the saccing life mechanic. Dark Pact does, but the wording is slightly different. If the mechanic does work, the base damage will be bonkers because of totem life scaling

---

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/op73wg/some_thoughts_from_chris/

Chris talking about the changes, worth a read


As you said it would be bonkers if it worked with totems life, so it probably doesn't. Even if it killed the totem stil great.

I find it strange that the reason not to nerf aurabots is because they nerfed so much already. Hmmm think 95% of people would prefer you nerfed aurabots instead of mana multiple or one of the other nerfs.
For me group play should not be that one person does all the buff and one the debuffs. Seems to rewarding as Chris would say. Also the magic find on killing blow seems broken and to rewarding. Maybe they should fix that before all the other nerfes.
GO OG
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 09:22:36
July 22 2021 09:20 GMT
#33149
On July 22 2021 03:15 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2021 01:33 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 21 2021 23:45 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 21 2021 18:38 -Archangel- wrote:
After the patch notes all I can say is fuck them. Even with buffs to SST my last league character is weaker now so I cannot even play him in standard. So I can delete him to open pne character slot, try Necro with new summon and quit sooner than ever..

SST is one of the builds that might even be positively effected and I see a lot of people playing it and there'll probably be good builds for it.

Nah. To do decent damage with it atm you need flasks, good supports, critical, all that was nerfed.
Slight buff to base skill will not be enough kill buffed up rares or bosses. Its single target damage is bad, and terrible with map mods that buff resistances/life or curse you with Enfeeble and such.

Even when using Critical Strike gem support? That one is pretty legit now, as is the Multiplier one.

Yeah curses are brutal now. Ventrua or Karv, I don't remember which one, was speaking of using 3-4* Kiara's Determination, not sure if meme or not.

Critical strike gem is one less damage support, something that diamond flask gave you before.
Even with giving SST double base damage it is just going to be same as in 3.14
When everything else was weakened as well it might feel good in comparison but be ready for pain in red maps unless you can already earn 10 ex by then to invest into it.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
July 22 2021 09:20 GMT
#33150
I enjoy reading from Chris but than I remember how often what I interpreted into his words was definitely not, what the game developed into.
Still I'm excited to see how they are going to handle this thread. Back when Bex was omnipresent (I get why she isn't anymore), we'd have a bunch of questions in the comments already answered. I'm afraid they'll just post: Thanks for the feedback, enjoy launch, see you in 3 months. It's the communities fault at large but ggg's community management compared to 2 years ago is a shipwreck.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 22 2021 09:39 GMT
#33151
That Chris topic didn't really explain anything. Pathetic PR talk.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21687 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 09:55:49
July 22 2021 09:55 GMT
#33152
I quickly loaded up my scrub geared 87 EQ champ from Ritual.
from 260k aftershock damage to 145k.

This isn't just the top builds doing 10mil dps getting nerfed hard. Its everyone.
Guess I'll update D3 tonight and play that instead. Let other people 'enjoy' the new league.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10713 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 11:34:52
July 22 2021 11:34 GMT
#33153
Killing stuff slower is good for the game.

Getting killed slower would also help, any changes on that?
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 11:40:07
July 22 2021 11:39 GMT
#33154
On July 22 2021 20:34 Velr wrote:
Killing stuff slower is good for the game.

Getting killed slower would also help, any changes on that?

Not this league. You will get killed faster as they nerfed defensive flask and CwDT
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
July 22 2021 11:41 GMT
#33155
I don't know why all the hate is coming from really..

I wanna see how all this will turn out and I think it will be all fine.

Like, last league, I made at least 4 character that were just plowing everything in T16.

I'm pretty sure most of them will still do the same with some tweak and other one will come up
n_n
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 12:04:29
July 22 2021 12:01 GMT
#33156
On July 22 2021 20:41 FaCE_1 wrote:
I don't know why all the hate is coming from really..

I wanna see how all this will turn out and I think it will be all fine.

Like, last league, I made at least 4 character that were just plowing everything in T16.

I'm pretty sure most of them will still do the same with some tweak and other one will come up

Agreed, mana problems are solveable for most builds and some damage nerfs were justified. Will need to build a bit tankier now, sure, but it's no Gauntlet. We'll manage just fine if we give it a try, I'm sure.

But yes, people that aren't liking the direction of the game becoming harder and slower (it will become even worse in future leagues, at least until PoE 2 comes out since that one looked really slow) don't need to play the game anymore, it's just like Chris Wilson says, he's fully aware the player numbers are likely to drop this league.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2713 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 12:16:08
July 22 2021 12:15 GMT
#33157
I think you are fine if you like to change builds every league.

An old build that you have saved in Standard could have lost half DPS. But other builds don't, and there are new skills and buffed skills.

So all the nerfs could be annoying for people that have favourite builds that they always play every league. For people like me that rarely repeats a build, it is fine. Lot of stuff to try.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21687 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 12:27:51
July 22 2021 12:26 GMT
#33158
On July 22 2021 20:41 FaCE_1 wrote:
I don't know why all the hate is coming from really..

I wanna see how all this will turn out and I think it will be all fine.

Like, last league, I made at least 4 character that were just plowing everything in T16.

I'm pretty sure most of them will still do the same with some tweak and other one will come up
The problem is that doesn't matter the game better, it just makes it more tedious and frustrating.

Yes player damage is out of control and the top end should be brought down but this is just bringing everyone down.
This won't increase build diversity, the good builds will be fine. The mediocre builds feel more crap.

The only real defence in PoE is to kill everyone before it can attack because even white mobs can 1 shot you out of nowhere.
I want to see that I take damage, to register that I am in danger and then react to try and save myself. And yes that means player power needs to come down and monsters need to live longer to deal damage to the player but if you do those changes without doing something about the random 1 shots out of nowhere it makes the game super frustrating. If you make monsters stay alive for longer you need to bring their damage down to compensate.

These changes need to be done together and it looks like PoE is only one part.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10713 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 13:57:33
July 22 2021 13:51 GMT
#33159
If we ignore the monster DMG issue for a sec.

No, it wasn’t just top end builds that deleted everything. EVERY somewhat competent build deleted whites, blues and «non wtfrolled/league specific» yellow mobs.
«Badish » builds just ran into problems against some high tier map bosses and the endgame delirium and bosses in general.
The diffrence between a 500k-1mio. DPS build and a 2-3 mio+++ build wasn’t that big while general mapping. It just shows up in high delirium maps, deep delve and against endgame bosses (but most of these are pretty fair if you know them). Clearing maps fast as fuck is entirely possible with sub 1 mio. dps, brain afk killing Sirius/Guardians/max Conquerors and so on isn’t.

If i would guess how this league turns out it will be the following:
Players will still speedclear everything and then hit brick walls on yellow-redmap map bosses/metamoprhs/delirium/endgame stuff (+the occasional freak rares). Kinda how playing RF feels whiteout goodlike gear feels atm .
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
July 22 2021 13:58 GMT
#33160
Which would be cool if builds like RF were not suffering. If they are at about the speed ggg wants us to play, why nerf it aswell and take a whole playstyle away?
+ I think the general speed of POE shouldn't be lower than a mediocre-rf-build is at the moment because there are enough slow arpgs.
Prev 1 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1747 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
DaveTesta Events
00:00
Kirktown Co-op 1v1 Bash
davetesta72
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft284
Nina 94
RuFF_SC2 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 867
ggaemo 96
Aegong 62
Larva 62
NaDa 60
Icarus 4
HiyA 0
Stormgate
WinterStarcraft673
Dota 2
monkeys_forever703
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
taco 512
Stewie2K141
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox700
Mew2King29
Other Games
summit1g14055
tarik_tv9212
Day[9].tv1349
shahzam729
JimRising 328
ViBE210
C9.Mang0195
Maynarde113
Livibee39
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1664
BasetradeTV90
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 21
• Azhi_Dahaki19
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift6018
Other Games
• Day9tv1349
• Scarra939
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
8h 27m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
9h 27m
Replay Cast
22h 27m
LiuLi Cup
1d 9h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 13h
RSL Revival
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
RotterdaM Event
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.