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EchelonTee

United States5262 Posts

March 10 2020 05:38 GMT

#31681

I suppose it'll be fun to just play and loot jewels organically, then when you notice you have, for example, a ton of shield / block jewels, roll a gladiator. This is assuming that A. there's enough jewels dropping to mess around with, and B. storing and searching for them in your stash won't be a huge issue.

On the other hand, I kind of want to really focus on only 1-2 builds (also I'm short on time so there's that), so trade league is good to min max as much as possible. Kind of like synthesis league but hopefully not as tedious / expensive to get ideal rolls

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

March 10 2020 05:43 GMT

#31682

This seem OP

30% increased Damage with Maces, Sceptres or Staves
Gain Fortify for 6 seconds on Melee Hit with a Mace, Sceptre or Staff

Projectiles deal 15% increased Damage for each remaining Chain if i use fork or pierce does Chains count as remaining?

nukem1

345 Posts

March 10 2020 06:09 GMT

#31683

If I remember correctly, during Baeclast they mentioned the large ones to be the more common, medium a bit less and the small ones rarer (~min 55). There will be a recipe for trading 5:1.

Duka08

3391 Posts

March 10 2020 06:18 GMT

#31684

If there's a trading recipe that gives me hope that they'll be reasonably common. if even the large ones were on the rare side you probably wouldn't want to 5:1 very often. Pretty excited. I'm reminded of Abyss league, eventually abyss jewels became more rare because abyss showed up less frequently, and they're still strong, but DURING abyss league they were dropping like candy and everyone was abusing them. I want the cluster jewels to be like that lol. Lots now, make it flavor of the league, then make them rare/specific later down the road if they integrate it.

Edit: they posted the neural network patch notes for people that get a kick out of that https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/fg0xxw/what_happens_when_you_let_an_algorithm_write_the/

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

March 10 2020 06:57 GMT

#31685

As i understood the interview with dev, they considered make the cluster jewels part of core. But will take this league as a test. So we will see if it goes part of normal drop later, a delirium mod or not at all later.

Also the is rarity to cluster jewel with ILV, in time of interview the highest was ILV84. Not sure but think the rarity will have impact of chance to get in recipe.

Also you can use currency on them, but only some part of the jewel is effected by it, not sure what is and not.

nukem1

345 Posts

March 10 2020 07:35 GMT

#31686

Looking back at past leagues, I think Synthesis is the only one that did not go core they way it was introduced at launch. The stats on the jewels can be easily adjusted, they're not really mandatory, so there's a high chance they stay in the game, in my opinion.

With the new mapping system, getting ilvl 84 ones should not be that difficult, either from drops or trading. I expect they them to be a bit expensive at first, but as more and more people reach high tier maps, the price will likely drop considerably.

Finding the optimal way to craft is going to be interesting. I assume people will hold on to them until more testing is done.

the discussion about the jewels on Baeclast is from around min 50 to 1h05 or so.

HolydaKing

21254 Posts

March 10 2020 08:29 GMT

#31687

Hope the cluster jewels will drop often enough considering there are soo many notables.

PoulsenB

Poland7749 Posts

March 10 2020 11:07 GMT

#31688

The cluster jewels look very interesting but I imagine it will be a tough balancing act trying to discern if they are worth using over just taking ordinary nodes on the tree (unless the jewel is build-defining).

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

March 10 2020 13:39 GMT

#31689

some of these are pretty dope (read: lol wtf insanity) and I can easily see getting an interesting cluster and then coming up with a build around that.

outside of that most builds probably only use ones with similar/better stuff to what they would normally get from the tree, but allows them to cut off the outer branches of their tree instead.
Eg you travel really far for the lightning stuff north of the witch, but then you get a cluster with good ele/lightning damage stuff, so you can cut that and maybe get some more defense with another cluster you put into the dmg cluster with the points you save from making the cut.

a lot of the minion notables look really strong, so i think (read: hope) they will nerf baseline minions fairly harshly and then you are at a point where minions are okayish, BUT if you get the good clusters you can make them insane again. so you know... you actually have to invest into stuff now to have op minions.

the brand notables look really meh in comparison.

big question now is how frequent they drop, how hard it is to get an actually good one to drop and how the prices will end up being. so i will build my starter(s) without planing around those things.

edit: i think you can fossil craft those cluster jewels... so get your delver going early!

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

March 10 2020 13:58 GMT

#31690

Am i the only one tempted to make up a new build that uses skill that have been out of Meta. With all these new passive it seems like a whole new tree.
I will properly fail but would like to make some thing decent that i invented myself.

PoulsenB

Poland7749 Posts

March 10 2020 14:07 GMT

#31691

I for one will leaguestart with an Ice Nova Assasin build that is a frankenstein child of several of Mathil's Ice Nova builds (ice novas cast on frostbolts instead of CoC), a decent number of the new cluster notables look useful for this kind of build so it's going to be fun to try some of them out.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

March 10 2020 14:36 GMT

#31692

waiting for patch notes atm. *plays elevator music*
some notables gave me some nice ideas, but that also kinda depends on what gets nerfs/buffs.
without nerfs/buffs i'd say:
1) try out stormbind mana hieropants for the memes
2) reroll into bane occultist
3) get some cool clusters to play weird shit

if stormbind is as clunky as it looks (and has not enough wtf dmg to compensate) I might try another channelling skill. kinda like those. might not be the best in a somewhat zoomy league though.
maybe RF with some of the notables.
maybe blade blade if that stuff has good numbers.
maybe some ultratanky melee shield guy with max block etc
Maybe some staff crit thing?

but yeah, tons of possibilities and hard to tell atm without patch notes.

HolydaKing

21254 Posts

March 10 2020 14:45 GMT

#31693

Still tending towards playing Lightning Wild Strike Inquisitor dual wielding swords even though there aren't any amazing cluster jewels for it except from the defensive ones maybe.

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

March 10 2020 15:35 GMT

#31694

Thinking about doing jug with lighting wasp stationary build. With 2 or 3 new cluster

Expansive Might
Mace, Sceptre or Staff Attacks deal 20% increased Damage with Hits and Ailments
While stationary, gain 10% increased Area of Effect every second, up to a maximum of 50%

Natures grasp, and tectonic slam. Not sure if good.

Edit. Think Expansive Might will be cheap

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 10 2020 15:37 GMT

#31695

I'm like 90% sure that the really exciting mods are going to be high ilvl restricted which is gonna end up meaning expensive/unobtainable for about 2 weeks unless you are super nolifed or rich. I think you'll probably want exactly 1 outside jewel socket within reach just in case on your league starter, but more won't be better than regular nodes on the tree.

Like the 10% explode notable looks absolutely bonkers but I'm sure it will be unobtanium so I don't want to plan around it.

The only builds that should be planning on multiple outside sockets early are ones that rely on stats not widely available on the tree (specifically certain DoT multipliers, maybe some other funny brand/totem type archetypes). The key for them isn't even notables it's the small passive bonuses I think. At least early in the league.

haitike

Spain2742 Posts

March 10 2020 16:42 GMT

#31696

I think about the new jewels as something that maybe I look to put into my build in lategame, when I'm level 80 and I have repec points, jewel sockets, etc. But I will avoid to plan my build around them.

Altough Hollow Palm monk sounds hilarious. Maybe I will try it as my second character xD

Duka08

3391 Posts

March 10 2020 16:50 GMT

#31697

Yeah I'm really excited to fuck around with the cluster jewels, but neither of the builds I'm toying with take more than 1 outside node. It's just for some flavor and new stuff fun, I don't think pathing for 3+ outside nodes and building your own custom tree from scratch is going to be very good outside of really insane jewels later in the league lol.

Haasts

New Zealand4445 Posts

March 10 2020 19:24 GMT

#31698

Quite an overwhelming amount on information to take in. Sticking with SSF so don't think I'm going to plan/assume anything (I've never had a relevant Timeless Jewel drop for anything I've played, despite doing my best to farm splinters and pray for a Glorious Vanity / Lethal Pride ... always Elegant Hubris).

At least the league is over and I get to work dumb builds out of my system in Standard (e.g. DW 1H Crusader maces with heaps of reduced enemy stun threshold Ground Slam Slayer, heh).

Need to try and sort out my filters a bit earlier before league start this time, and I've had fun with Poe Theorycraft's crafting sims (trying out fossil vs essence crafting vs chaos spam for pDPS weapons).

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

March 10 2020 19:27 GMT

#31699

Outside jewel socket just suck unless you have really insane jewels because of how bad the nodes pathing to them are. Your worst jewel has to be good enough to make up for the fact that the two minor nodes pathing to the socket are sometimes half as effective as other minor nodes on the inside of the tree.

I don't think I've ever had the jewels to justify taking an outside socket in SSF.

smr

Germany4808 Posts

March 10 2020 19:32 GMT

#31700

Started to look at the jewels and decided to stop after ~40. Playing ssf I'll probably never get the one that screams "exciting" to me, so I'll just look what's gonna drop.
Eagerly waiting for patch notes but I guess I'll start Venom Gyre pathfinder/assassin. Poisons are great, evasion is great (until the moment you get oneshot).