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Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
June 27 2019 16:34 GMT
#30961
The problem of not crafting crit chance is it really hurts the resale value... I feel like it might just be better to buy one without crit chance instead.

Got my 7L maim chest, but still using a 2H sword setup on tree, will need to redo a lot of it before switching to dual 1H.

Is precision aura required for this build?
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 17:22:23
June 27 2019 16:48 GMT
#30962
I use lvl1 Precision more for the crit than the accuracy. Especially since it's a fixed mana cost so you can squeeze it in easily. If you were desperate for some accuracy or whatever I could see going for a higher level, but you'd need to ditch blood and sand or something probably. I would PoB it, see how much the hit% even helps you from leveling it up, or if you could refund some accuracy points on the tree to better nodes if you had Precision instead. My 2H multimod right now is a Lion Sword which has the +470 accuracy implicit so I'm not very desperate for hit right now relatively.

The crit boost is nice at any rank though. Free ~5% dps for me, for almost no mana reservation at level 1. It's worth it for the crit alone even if you craft hits can't be evaded.

I'd be surprised if no crit craft hurt resale value TOO much, considering Slayer is so insanely popular right now. The best meta stuff with the Elder bases and such rarely craft crit as far as I can tell, but again that's probably just due to the popularity of Slayer right now. Without Overwhelm I'd have to imagine base crit outweights chance to deal double damage.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
June 27 2019 18:02 GMT
#30963
Browsing through the 1H foil listings on trade for the last few days, it seems to show a pretty big discount for foils without crit chance from time to time. I will probably just end up buying one and crafting the other.

Low lvl precision makes sense. I run blood magic on leap slam, and -15 mana cost on the chest for cyclone, so reserving most of my mana pool is ok. It should be possible to get a couple levels in precision without having to run enlighten.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 18:14:23
June 27 2019 18:10 GMT
#30964
Yeah I was also using a slightly-leveled Precision when I had the -15 mana on chest, but with 2H+Kaom's I only have -7 from a ring so I just swapped back to level 1 Precision. The zero mana is nice, but with any amount of mana leech you can easily sustain just one source of mana cost reduction (usually -6 or 7 on a ring) while still reserving like 90% of your mana. It's been nice.

Today's project is going to be actually picking a map to farm and buying in bulk. I'm fairly happy with where my gear's at for now, and I got the shaper and uber elder stuff out of my system for the most part. I cba to redo my atlas to actually sustain so I'm just gonna buy a shit ton of some mid-tier map I like and brainlessly mash alch and go for a while.

I should probably do a few merc labs for useful enchants at some point too zzzz
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 18:20:10
June 27 2019 18:19 GMT
#30965
If you run leap slam with insanity crafted gloves, you will run into mana issues without blood magic unless you have -mana cost on both rings.

I highly recommend the gloves though, they doubled my mapping speed and made stuff like shaper slam/elder balls much easier to dodge. This alone beats any marginal improvement in dps by a mile and isn't something PoB can account for.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
June 27 2019 18:36 GMT
#30966
Fuck I forgot about Insanity gloves. Getting a pair of those with the right resists is going to be expensive. Mmmm. I'll have to think about that.

I always have blood magic on leap slam though yeah.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
June 27 2019 18:54 GMT
#30967
On June 28 2019 03:36 Duka08 wrote:
Fuck I forgot about Insanity gloves. Getting a pair of those with the right resists is going to be expensive. Mmmm. I'll have to think about that.

I always have blood magic on leap slam though yeah.

I wouldn't worry about getting resists on gloves, you can use more defensive options on rings/boots/belt. There are way more valuable affixes that can go on gloves like weapon range craft, attack speed, etc.

Kaom's other downside is the lack of resists, which is why I chose not to go down that route this league.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-27 22:05:28
June 27 2019 22:04 GMT
#30968
On June 28 2019 03:54 Glacierz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 03:36 Duka08 wrote:
Fuck I forgot about Insanity gloves. Getting a pair of those with the right resists is going to be expensive. Mmmm. I'll have to think about that.

I always have blood magic on leap slam though yeah.

I wouldn't worry about getting resists on gloves, you can use more defensive options on rings/boots/belt. There are way more valuable affixes that can go on gloves like weapon range craft, attack speed, etc.

Kaom's other downside is the lack of resists, which is why I chose not to go down that route this league.

I could also fix it by getting a rare helm instead of Devotos, which I knew I'd probably need to do at some point anyway. Insanity gloves with range + life/res helm is probably overall better than Devoto's + life/res gloves. Could do the same with Kaom's too, sacrifice a bit of life for smoother resists + a bunch more slots to level gems in I guess $$$$

Alternatively I could have a few pieces more geared toward mapping when I don't need as much damage and then swap in mark of the Elder + curse ring + etc. for damage on T16/bosses. I'll see how I feel when I start mapping again instead of pushing Guardians.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 28 2019 00:22 GMT
#30969
I don't think that insanity gloves are super worth it anymore, the leap slam is so fast these days. For example when Im using close combat I can barely notice the combat focus bonus when mapping so I took it out. I'd rather go for a double +1 range elder glove, I believe you can get suffix from elder and craft prefix
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Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 15:03:39
June 28 2019 14:41 GMT
#30970
With a elder base, you can actually get up to 3 separate weapon range affixes, I've seen those on trade before. My cyclone range is already covering the full screen, so I didn't find stacking it further too useful.

With the insanity craft, I still notice a big difference in speed. Out of all PoE chars I played, the clearspeed with these gloves can only be matched by my legacy QotF build.

Devoto's move speed bonus is less important once you start using leap slam as the main movement source. The reason people use this is if you don't have enough dps to instantly clear trash mobs with a single spin of cyclone, and needed to move while in cyclone, then the added bonus movement speed is very useful. I've reached a point where the play style became leap into a group of mobs, spin once for clear, then followed by leap again, it's insanely fast.

I think starkonja's is worth considering until you get gg rare helm, no resists but lots of life. You do get a drop in dps from the loss of attack speed though if you decide to move to a rare helm.

There are also a bunch of ppl running around with abyssus for mapping, seems to be a cheap source of DPS for low level content.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 15:14:59
June 28 2019 15:11 GMT
#30971
I'm pretty much done with my build now, spent most of my time crafting stuff and selling them for gear. If anyone is struggling making currency this league, you can make lots of exalts if you get with the -mana cost craft and put them on rings with high int and life.

You can also make a lot of exalts crafting foils, I haven't figured out the most efficient way to do it yet, but the guy I bought mine from said he sells like 10 of them a day with 10+ex each. I guess this is what happens when a single build dominates the whole patch.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 15:18:08
June 28 2019 15:17 GMT
#30972
double post
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
June 28 2019 15:59 GMT
#30973
little strange that foils have so high range. I mean, for the strike attacks I guess it makes sense...
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Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 17:29:43
June 28 2019 17:26 GMT
#30974
Foils do have long reach I guess, especially if you dual wield and stick both arms out for cyclone XD. In all seriousness though, a mediocre dual 1H build has more dmg than a higher end 2H, which leads me to believe all the starforges/disfavors are overpriced right now.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
June 28 2019 18:25 GMT
#30975
Btw HH is absolutely busted with the legion mechanics. I made the mistake of selling a doctor's card early in the league, now the price has doubled.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 29 2019 20:14 GMT
#30976
Impale + Cyclone is incredibly strong, even if not champion right? I'm looking up HC slayer builds, both DW and 2H sword, and the Impale usage is somewhat low for some reason (<40%), which confuses me.

When I PoB it out myself, replacing stuff for impale support + 1 impale cluster is around 30-40% more damage. The calculation I'm using is: (Impale Chance%) * (Amt of Impale Stacks * 10) * (Impale Effect)

(1.00)*(5*10)*(1.83) = 91.5 --> 91% more damage

Because I had to take out melee phys damage support for Impale support and took out some crit nodes for impale, it's more like 40% more damage, but it's still a huge increase. The DW PoB I'm using is at 13.4 attacks per second so getting impale stacks isn't a problem.

Are these calcs right? Are the 50-60% of people not using impale just crazy?
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
June 29 2019 20:39 GMT
#30977
Impale does not show in PoB or in game's DPS tooltip. Also not everything is playing fast hitting attacks like cyclone. Also it is probably worth less for elemental builds and crit builds.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 29 2019 20:45 GMT
#30978
I specifically selected builds that use brutality and cyclone, so elemental / slow builds are filtered out. I manually added in the Impale damage into PoB.

Why wouldn't impale be good for crit builds?
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clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
June 29 2019 21:01 GMT
#30979
Impale is just as good for crit builds as it is for non-crit, and yes, Impale is super worth it even if you are not Champion or have the +2 Impale stacks Pride Watcher's Eye.

As you mentioned - it's a ton of extra damage for not a lot of investment vs mobs that need multiple hits
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 29 2019 21:54 GMT
#30980
It's probably less good for crit builds than for RT builds since the opportunity cost of taking the Impale nodes on the tree and reserving mana with Dread Banner is a lot lower for RT. RT starts to run out of really good nodes on the tree to take since its all just a bunch of Inc Damage/IAS that becomes more and more marginal, and they don't use Precision.

That said, I'm pretty sure the math works out for Impale being really good even with crit.
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