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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
March 08 2019 13:47 GMT
#30261
blight for wither stacking + the infused channeling buff

could also use ED if enough links, a lot of button pressing then
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 13:59:59
March 08 2019 13:51 GMT
#30262
Chaos DoT LL Occultist is my 2nd build as well, but it's gonna take several exalts to feel really good, so starting Hiero. Hopefully, totems target well enough that Purifying Flame hits the main target twice. It should be a decent self-cast starter anyway, since your cast on the next pack is gonna wave back to the first to finish them off. Can't wait to try wave and Divine Ire as well!

FWIW, the new Flame Totem had its low level damage more than doubled, which makes me think most physical spells are gonna have much higher low level dmg more in line with explosive trap (which got nerfed). So instead of Explosive having 5-7x the dps of anything else, it should be about 2-3x now.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 08 2019 14:12 GMT
#30263
Wave with totem should not work well, since the waves disappear shortly after you cast another one. Meaning you can't have multiple ones at high range, just at close range since they don't immediately disappear.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 14:39:54
March 08 2019 14:39 GMT
#30264
On March 08 2019 19:19 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2019 13:00 Duka08 wrote:
http://poeurl.com/ciz5

Storm Brand ES Trickster lol. First one I've done from scratch in a while. Looks like trash, the pathing just looks so suboptimal but I can't see any obvious spots to save points atm.

I can't decide if Ghost Reaver is super sick or not with the new ES leech? Double leech capacity seems huge, but the recharge rate decrease idk?? Will probably decide on that later, maybe try briefly. Probably save CI/LL for way later too. This is just a starter. I'm planning to chill in white/yellow maps for a while this league, just need a passive de-stress currency farm character for a couple weeks.

Edit: Hm, that link isn't working. Fine if you import into PoB though. Weird.

The order to take the ascendancy points in is gonna be interesting too

Recharge rate is useless for Trickster. That is the value of how fast ES recharges when you have not taken any damage.
Only Occultist needs that stat to be high.

But is it useless just by virtue of how good Patient Reaper is? Or because leech is going to be so much better? Recharge is easier on Occultist because of Wicked Ward but I don't have enough ES knowledge to know whether shitty recharge will feel bad or not even with leech+Trickster doing "most" of the work I guess. I've never played Trickster lol, and like 1-2 ES chars in general.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22064 Posts
March 08 2019 15:02 GMT
#30265
On March 08 2019 23:39 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2019 19:19 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 08 2019 13:00 Duka08 wrote:
http://poeurl.com/ciz5

Storm Brand ES Trickster lol. First one I've done from scratch in a while. Looks like trash, the pathing just looks so suboptimal but I can't see any obvious spots to save points atm.

I can't decide if Ghost Reaver is super sick or not with the new ES leech? Double leech capacity seems huge, but the recharge rate decrease idk?? Will probably decide on that later, maybe try briefly. Probably save CI/LL for way later too. This is just a starter. I'm planning to chill in white/yellow maps for a while this league, just need a passive de-stress currency farm character for a couple weeks.

Edit: Hm, that link isn't working. Fine if you import into PoB though. Weird.

The order to take the ascendancy points in is gonna be interesting too

Recharge rate is useless for Trickster. That is the value of how fast ES recharges when you have not taken any damage.
Only Occultist needs that stat to be high.

But is it useless just by virtue of how good Patient Reaper is? Or because leech is going to be so much better? Recharge is easier on Occultist because of Wicked Ward but I don't have enough ES knowledge to know whether shitty recharge will feel bad or not even with leech+Trickster doing "most" of the work I guess. I've never played Trickster lol, and like 1-2 ES chars in general.
The problem is that ES recharge will stop when you take any damage, while Occultist get a trait that stops this.
So when you actually need the regen (your taking damage and dying), you won't have it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 08 2019 15:14 GMT
#30266
I guess it's not entirely useless as trickster, just against DoT and spells you can't avoid, since you can get a lot of evasion as trickster if you want to which against some monsters will give some breathing space after you take large hits.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 15:15:59
March 08 2019 15:15 GMT
#30267
On March 09 2019 00:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2019 23:39 Duka08 wrote:
On March 08 2019 19:19 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 08 2019 13:00 Duka08 wrote:
http://poeurl.com/ciz5

Storm Brand ES Trickster lol. First one I've done from scratch in a while. Looks like trash, the pathing just looks so suboptimal but I can't see any obvious spots to save points atm.

I can't decide if Ghost Reaver is super sick or not with the new ES leech? Double leech capacity seems huge, but the recharge rate decrease idk?? Will probably decide on that later, maybe try briefly. Probably save CI/LL for way later too. This is just a starter. I'm planning to chill in white/yellow maps for a while this league, just need a passive de-stress currency farm character for a couple weeks.

Edit: Hm, that link isn't working. Fine if you import into PoB though. Weird.

The order to take the ascendancy points in is gonna be interesting too

Recharge rate is useless for Trickster. That is the value of how fast ES recharges when you have not taken any damage.
Only Occultist needs that stat to be high.

But is it useless just by virtue of how good Patient Reaper is? Or because leech is going to be so much better? Recharge is easier on Occultist because of Wicked Ward but I don't have enough ES knowledge to know whether shitty recharge will feel bad or not even with leech+Trickster doing "most" of the work I guess. I've never played Trickster lol, and like 1-2 ES chars in general.
The problem is that ES recharge will stop when you take any damage, while Occultist get a trait that stops this.
So when you actually need the regen (your taking damage and dying), you won't have it.

Yeah I've played with that node last league on Occ but I guess I just didn't appreciate how often it was helping.

I'll build Trickster focused purely on leech (+Ghost Reaver) and Patient Reaper. Seems more than enough honestly.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 15:20:40
March 08 2019 15:20 GMT
#30268
On March 08 2019 23:12 HolydaKing wrote:
Wave with totem should not work well, since the waves disappear shortly after you cast another one. Meaning you can't have multiple ones at high range, just at close range since they don't immediately disappear.
True, but you get it after Chamber of Sins, so that's a couple acts to try it self-cast. Divine Ire is mid-A3, but that one technically works with totems (though they'll likely aim the big beam at a random trash mob).
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
March 08 2019 15:38 GMT
#30269
Are you excited boyos? I know I am! 4h22 minutes to go!
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 15:46:44
March 08 2019 15:44 GMT
#30270
Yeah I am, not having played for more than a month helps. Atm it looks like I'm going to play an Firestorm + Spark crit based Inquisitor using a staff, Spark being mainly for clear (thinking the new Fork will be better than Pierce here?) and having two skills is kinda nice for the Unleash gem. Defense would be a decent life pool and EB + MoM (new 10% ES leech and the 200 ES regen on consecrated ground should work decently).
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
March 08 2019 15:55 GMT
#30271
I'm still unsure if I want to try Divine Ire with Trickster or Inquisitor. I gravitate towards the former, because charges are fun, and the ghost shroud sounds fun. But I've never played Inq. before and it doesn't sound too bad either.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
March 08 2019 15:55 GMT
#30272
I kinda think all the ES leech is going to be OP. in the past spell leech was pretty hard to come by, part of the reason old zerker was so good. now once again you can rock a 10k EHP and have reliable recovery

I'm thinking a whispering ice bosser as a second character to abuse self cast + leech
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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
March 08 2019 16:01 GMT
#30273
Whispering Ice is a big oof. It can be pretty strong but you need a lot of investment and the playstyle should really be your thing. The fact that it takes so long to cast and doesn't stun can make it pretty dangerous too, although you can do it with totems.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
March 08 2019 16:10 GMT
#30274
I haven't thought it through completely, but you could mitigate those issues by doing a winter orb CwC version. Cast time will be brought down to 0.35 sec, helps mana issues, and the WO even with damage nerf should clear trash
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 16:24:29
March 08 2019 16:16 GMT
#30275
On March 09 2019 01:10 EchelonTee wrote:
I haven't thought it through completely, but you could mitigate those issues by doing a winter orb CwC version. Cast time will be brought down to 0.35 sec, helps mana issues, and the WO even with damage nerf should clear trash

Yeah, no doubt it's going to be a great build. Already worked last league.

Also if you're set on playing an ES build, it even works SSF as a starter nowadays if you don't want to rush like a pro and be in maps in 5 hours. Crafting is pretty great these days. Although I would personally always level as mostly life and then use the respec points you're given from quests.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22064 Posts
March 08 2019 16:28 GMT
#30276
What would you recommend as a build to make good use of the new ES leeching to get super tanky?

Wanting to try out the new chaos stuff because I like Cold Snap/Vortex Occultist a lot last league but it won't benefit much from the Leech, thinking if I might go someone else to enjoy all that leech.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
March 08 2019 16:35 GMT
#30277
Soulrend has built-in spell leech for its DoT, and Essence Drain gives life regen that works on ES with Zealot's Oath. Either one (or both?) would give the sustain ES really didn't need.
ThaddeusK
Profile Joined July 2008
United States233 Posts
March 08 2019 16:41 GMT
#30278
On March 09 2019 01:35 Pwere wrote:
Soulrend has built-in spell leech for its DoT, and Essence Drain gives life regen that works on ES with Zealot's Oath. Either one (or both?) would give the sustain ES really didn't need.


You can't leech from DoTs, the es leech on soulrend only applies to the hit damage.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-08 16:45:31
March 08 2019 16:44 GMT
#30279
Yup. Anyway most tanky should be any high ES Occultist (that uses spells which hit) with both 10-14% leech per sec depending on which passives you pick on the tree as well as the already great ES recovery and leech you get from the ascendancy. Maybe with endgame evasion/es gear Trickster can be competitive but it should be hard.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
March 08 2019 17:05 GMT
#30280
I know I said I'd try a bow build a few pages back, but I'll start with a Winter Orb Elementalist. Even with the 10-12% damage nerf it still apparently clears everything comfortably. Let's go in 3h time D:
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