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Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 13:41:08
December 15 2016 13:40 GMT
#23101
FlameBlast is nothing like Flame Totem. It has much higher AoE and one shots everything. You just put it down and continue running forward, it murders everything on the screen.
And if you are not playing HC, Elementalist will be much more fun to play, even with life focus.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 15 2016 13:45 GMT
#23102
Honestly I'd still play the Elementalist variant on HC, it just gives you so much, and you should still be able to build your character to get reasonable EHP.
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 15 2016 14:19 GMT
#23103
Alright. Think I'll give it (fb totem elementalist) a try. Haven't played a witch in a bit.

Doing a bit of research on stuff:

Gems:
Links ordered by importance
  • Flameblast - Spell Totem - Faster Casting - Increased Area of Effect - Fire Penetration - ???
  • Orb of Storms - Curse on Hit - Flammability - Ele. Weakness (Orb instead blasphemy cause Master of Discord)
  • Flame Dash - Faster Casting or Lightning Warp - Faster Casting - Lesser Duration
  • Flame Golem
  • Anger
  • Prolly something defensive in the remaning slots. Add a second Golem when I unlock that via Asc.. Probably Lightning for cast speed.

Bandits:
  • Oak
  • Alira
  • Kill All

Passives:
something like this (Link) I guess?
Plan is probably to make my way towards ancestral totem and grab that as soon as I get Flameblast (not before obv).
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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 14:43:45
December 15 2016 14:39 GMT
#23104
Fuck Anger, your damage is good enough already. Take Haste instead or Purity of Fire to survive Reflect (or both if you can sustain the mana costs).
Have Lightning Golem as your main one. Damage is least of your problem with Flameblast, especially with two of them.
If you are HC, take Purity and Enfeeble instead.
incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
December 15 2016 14:41 GMT
#23105
On December 15 2016 23:19 disformation wrote:
Alright. Think I'll give it (fb totem elementalist) a try. Haven't played a witch in a bit.

Doing a bit of research on stuff:

Gems:
Links ordered by importance
  • Flameblast - Spell Totem - Faster Casting - Increased Area of Effect - Fire Penetration - ???
  • Orb of Storms - Curse on Hit - Flammability - Ele. Weakness (Orb instead blasphemy cause Master of Discord)
  • Flame Dash - Faster Casting or Lightning Warp - Faster Casting - Lesser Duration
  • Flame Golem
  • Anger
  • Prolly something defensive in the remaning slots. Add a second Golem when I unlock that via Asc.. Probably Lightning for cast speed.

Bandits:
  • Oak
  • Alira
  • Kill All

Passives:
something like this (Link) I guess?
Plan is probably to make my way towards ancestral totem and grab that as soon as I get Flameblast (not before obv).


I'd swap increased AOE and Firepen. Probably would also take controlled destruction over inc AOE if you take templar + witch AOE clusters (haven't looked at your tree).

You can link Anger with generosity for extra totem dps (should work according to the wiki). I'd also link Orb of Storms with increased critical strikes to proc elemental overload. Double offensive curses is probably overkill. You definitely want lightning golem for the cast speed. Your totems will oneshot most stuff anyway -- the windup is the issue.

Also as a warning. Totems don't aggro on raging spirits so beware of some Haku missions and cruel kaom fight if you go dual totem early (they will take damage if the get caught in the blast).
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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 14:42:55
December 15 2016 14:42 GMT
#23106
On December 15 2016 23:41 incinerate_ wrote:


You can link Anger with generosity for extra totem dps (should work according to the wiki). I'd also link Orb of Storms with increased critical strikes to proc elemental overload. Double offensive curses is probably overkill. You definitely want lightning golem for the cast speed. Your totems will oneshot most stuff anyway -- the windup is the issue.


Generosity does not work with totems, only minions. Wiki entry is wrong, I tested it ingame with my Vortex totems.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 15:04:35
December 15 2016 14:51 GMT
#23107
Okay, thanks again.
So:
  • Golem 1: Lightning, Golem 2: Fire
  • Drop Anger, go Haste and/or Purity of Fire instead
  • Drop 2nd curse (gives more skill points) and use increased crit instead.
  • Alternatively: use Enfeeble as 2nd curse and/or in defensive setup

Edit: bit worried about defenses. seems way less than the flame totem build i had last league.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 15:06:45
December 15 2016 15:05 GMT
#23108
On December 15 2016 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:
Fuck Anger, your damage is good enough already. Take Haste instead or Purity of Fire to survive Reflect (or both if you can sustain the mana costs).
Have Lightning Golem as your main one. Damage is least of your problem with Flameblast, especially with two of them.
If you are HC, take Purity and Enfeeble instead.

??? He's Flameblast TOTEM, why would he die to reflect. If anything I'd use Blasphemy + Temp Chains/Enfeeble for if you have survivability problems.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 15 2016 15:05 GMT
#23109
On December 15 2016 23:19 disformation wrote:
Alright. Think I'll give it (fb totem elementalist) a try. Haven't played a witch in a bit.

Doing a bit of research on stuff:

Gems:
Links ordered by importance
  • Flameblast - Spell Totem - Faster Casting - Increased Area of Effect - Fire Penetration - ???
  • Orb of Storms - Curse on Hit - Flammability - Ele. Weakness (Orb instead blasphemy cause Master of Discord)
  • Flame Dash - Faster Casting or Lightning Warp - Faster Casting - Lesser Duration
  • Flame Golem
  • Anger
  • Prolly something defensive in the remaning slots. Add a second Golem when I unlock that via Asc.. Probably Lightning for cast speed.

Bandits:
  • Oak
  • Alira
  • Kill All

Passives:
something like this (Link) I guess?
Plan is probably to make my way towards ancestral totem and grab that as soon as I get Flameblast (not before obv).

Might as well go ahead and steal from Smuft directly, any of his Elementalists should give a reasonable overview.

Don't ask me why he seems to love Cruel Prep so much tho. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 15 2016 15:07 GMT
#23110
I'd run double defensive curses, and with the damage of FB I think there is no reason to not run inc AoE. If you want more defenses you could drop AB and grab the new shield instead, and then go hybrid with EB + MOM. Or try to get your hands on a kaoms and run FB in a 30% ele crafted helm.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 15 2016 15:08 GMT
#23111
On December 16 2016 00:05 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2016 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:
Fuck Anger, your damage is good enough already. Take Haste instead or Purity of Fire to survive Reflect (or both if you can sustain the mana costs).
Have Lightning Golem as your main one. Damage is least of your problem with Flameblast, especially with two of them.
If you are HC, take Purity and Enfeeble instead.

??? He's Flameblast TOTEM, why would he die to reflect. If anything I'd use Blasphemy + Temp Chains/Enfeeble for if you have survivability problems.

Ups, you are right lol :D
Ok then Haste and Enfeeble or Temp Chains :D
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 15:31:00
December 15 2016 15:26 GMT
#23112
On December 16 2016 00:08 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 00:05 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 15 2016 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:
Fuck Anger, your damage is good enough already. Take Haste instead or Purity of Fire to survive Reflect (or both if you can sustain the mana costs).
Have Lightning Golem as your main one. Damage is least of your problem with Flameblast, especially with two of them.
If you are HC, take Purity and Enfeeble instead.

??? He's Flameblast TOTEM, why would he die to reflect. If anything I'd use Blasphemy + Temp Chains/Enfeeble for if you have survivability problems.

Ups, you are right lol :D
Ok then Haste and Enfeeble or Temp Chains :D

I kinda assumed the purity would be to prevent my totems from killing themselves on reflect. Guess recasting them is a better idea. xD
On December 16 2016 00:05 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2016 23:19 disformation wrote:
Alright. Think I'll give it (fb totem elementalist) a try. Haven't played a witch in a bit.

Doing a bit of research on stuff:

Gems:
Links ordered by importance
  • Flameblast - Spell Totem - Faster Casting - Increased Area of Effect - Fire Penetration - ???
  • Orb of Storms - Curse on Hit - Flammability - Ele. Weakness (Orb instead blasphemy cause Master of Discord)
  • Flame Dash - Faster Casting or Lightning Warp - Faster Casting - Lesser Duration
  • Flame Golem
  • Anger
  • Prolly something defensive in the remaning slots. Add a second Golem when I unlock that via Asc.. Probably Lightning for cast speed.

Bandits:
  • Oak
  • Alira
  • Kill All

Passives:
something like this (Link) I guess?
Plan is probably to make my way towards ancestral totem and grab that as soon as I get Flameblast (not before obv).

Might as well go ahead and steal from Smuft directly, any of his Elementalists should give a reasonable overview.

Don't ask me why he seems to love Cruel Prep so much tho. =P

Ah yeah for gems he is running:
Orbs of Storms + Inc. Crit + Curse on hit + Flammability
and Blasphemy + Enfeeble and Temp. Chains (and Enlighten).
His aura of choice is discipline as he seems to run his Eles as CI.

Not sure about that CI stuff. Think I tried it once, ages ago. Transitioned into it too early and died all the time. :D

edit: I'll prolly start out life based and run haste instead of disc..
might try to transition later.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 15 2016 15:49 GMT
#23113
CI is half the reason this build is so godly at the moment. Sure, life works but effectively you lose massive amounts of pool, at least one flask and you won't leech either way. In yellow maps the difference won't be huge but I'd be careful with reds when life based.

CI is a bit rough to get into first (cause you still want an okay-ish amount of ES and a 5L) but once you're in there it's amazing. If you want to give it a try I'd recommend to not go for a crazy amount of Lifenodes (so respec'ing is easy later on) and just be hybrid for a while. 3k HP + 2-3k ES carries you deep enough into maps till you can finance the rest of your ES gear.

Collect that gear over time and then respec once your ES with it on & Discipline is 5-6k+ ES.

300+ Helm / 300+ Shield / 500+ Chest with boots/gloves as shitslots if you're desperate for resists + resist jewels should be a reasonable place to start.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 15 2016 15:55 GMT
#23114
On December 16 2016 00:49 r.Evo wrote:
CI is half the reason this build is so godly at the moment. Sure, life works but effectively you lose massive amounts of pool, at least one flask and you won't leech either way. In yellow maps the difference won't be huge but I'd be careful with reds when life based.

CI is a bit rough to get into first (cause you still want an okay-ish amount of ES and a 5L) but once you're in there it's amazing. If you want to give it a try I'd recommend to not go for a crazy amount of Lifenodes (so respec'ing is easy later on) and just be hybrid for a while. 3k HP + 2-3k ES carries you deep enough into maps till you can finance the rest of your ES gear.

Collect that gear over time and then respec once your ES with it on & Discipline is 5-6k+ ES.

300+ Helm / 300+ Shield / 500+ Chest with boots/gloves as shitslots if you're desperate for resists + resist jewels should be a reasonable place to start.

Thanks for the advise.
Guess I'll try it. :D
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5251 Posts
December 16 2016 02:43 GMT
#23115
died to lag spike in lab. im salty
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 16 2016 10:10 GMT
#23116
On December 16 2016 11:43 EchelonTee wrote:
died to lag spike in lab. im salty

#HCLife
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 10:17:14
December 16 2016 10:14 GMT
#23117
So now that I played my Mjolner character a bit more I am pretty sure I can call this a Spectral Throw build :D
Probably this is now my own unique build, it works and it is fun. It does not own bosses but does decent and it can clear maps fast. I shield charge once, cast one Spectral Throw and shield charge away. Everything dies from combinations of Arcs and burning and proliferation. For me it is slower as I stay around to pickup stuff but I think people that just zip around maps would enjoy this a lot.
I have to try to speedrun one map and then come back later to pick up everything. What yellow map is good for speed clearing test?

(Although using Cyclone with this build was fun because of using one skill for movement and attacking, I think combination of Shield Charge and Spectral Throw ends up even faster; the biggest penalty is that Fortify does not work with ST).
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 16 2016 16:50 GMT
#23118
Strand, Atoll and Canyon might be ok too.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 16:52:22
December 16 2016 16:52 GMT
#23119
nvm
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 16 2016 17:54 GMT
#23120
On December 17 2016 01:50 Alur wrote:
Strand, Atoll and Canyon might be ok too.

Nooo, not Canyon :D That fucking Bird with poison damage murders all my characters that went there to fight it lol.
I don't know what is the fucking ability but it does more damage than any other boss I seen.
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