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On December 08 2016 21:20 -Archangel- wrote:I am trying out a CI poison assassin using Darkscorn bow and Soulstrike quiver. I am using Snakebite gloves to get poison on hit. I need advice on how to maximise damage. I got 2x 5L. One is Frenzy+GMP+IncreasedCritStrike+AddedCold+Pierce - Added Cold is because I got a HoI+CoH+Assassin's Mark setup to generate charges from normal mobs and I am afraid without Added Cold I will not have enough cold damage to freeze enemies and trigger HoI to curse others with AssMark. Pierce is because of More projectile damage and I took 3 pierce points on the tree to get total of 100%. Second 5L is Barrage+IncreasedCritStrike+IncCritDamage+Added Chaos Damage+Life Leech. I only use this vs rare mobs and bosses. On the tree I mostly took more chaos damage nodes or those that give both more chaos and more physical. This would be my planned lvl 82 tree (not poeplanner link): www.poeurl.com
tree looks good. you have the option of taking depth perception accuracy cluster if you need more accuracy/crit
for 100% pierce you'd need to take the 2 5% chance to pierce nodes in the pierce wheel
I've never really felt like arcane vision is worth it, but if it's big QoL improve for you I spose its ok
Don't think you will need added cold to get HoI freezes, your crit multi will handle the cold damage. you definitely want added chaos instead there. I'm not sold on Frenzy as your AoE skill but the alternative would be Blood Rage with a frenzy sidesetup, might be too much hassle
don't need life leech gem IMO, can get leech from jewel or gear. can use point blank for sweet more multiplier + double dip, or ppad
if you are easily critcapped, swap ICS for void manipulation
I'm not sure how good darkscorn will be compared to a high dps harbringer, I'm curious if it can stack up
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On December 09 2016 01:57 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 21:20 -Archangel- wrote:I am trying out a CI poison assassin using Darkscorn bow and Soulstrike quiver. I am using Snakebite gloves to get poison on hit. I need advice on how to maximise damage. I got 2x 5L. One is Frenzy+GMP+IncreasedCritStrike+AddedCold+Pierce - Added Cold is because I got a HoI+CoH+Assassin's Mark setup to generate charges from normal mobs and I am afraid without Added Cold I will not have enough cold damage to freeze enemies and trigger HoI to curse others with AssMark. Pierce is because of More projectile damage and I took 3 pierce points on the tree to get total of 100%. Second 5L is Barrage+IncreasedCritStrike+IncCritDamage+Added Chaos Damage+Life Leech. I only use this vs rare mobs and bosses. On the tree I mostly took more chaos damage nodes or those that give both more chaos and more physical. This would be my planned lvl 82 tree (not poeplanner link): www.poeurl.com tree looks good. you have the option of taking depth perception accuracy cluster if you need more accuracy/crit for 100% pierce you'd need to take the 2 5% chance to pierce nodes in the pierce wheel I've never really felt like arcane vision is worth it, but if it's big QoL improve for you I spose its ok Don't think you will need added cold to get HoI freezes, your crit multi will handle the cold damage. you definitely want added chaos instead there. I'm not sold on Frenzy as your AoE skill but the alternative would be Blood Rage with a frenzy sidesetup, might be too much hassle don't need life leech gem IMO, can get leech from jewel or gear. can use point blank for sweet more multiplier + double dip, or ppad if you are easily critcapped, swap ICS for void manipulation I'm not sure how good darkscorn will be compared to a high dps harbringer, I'm curious if it can stack up
You are right about pierce lol, that middle passive I was sure said 10% pierce instead of damage lol :D
But I think I will leave it, 10% less pierce chance I will live through :D I would rather have extra passive point.
I tried a low life build without Arcane Vision and on dark maps I could barely see anything 
I can only assume a CI build would be just as bad or worse. I never tried CI without it.
I might look for some more cold damage on rings or some item so I can get rid of that added cold. HoI cold is only like 47 avg at lvl 20 base cold damage. Even with crit multi and the rest it seems that might be bad but I can try without added cold damage.
I was thinking of using Atziri Flask instead of Life Leech although that only works off Chaos damage. I might try that and replace Life Leech with PPoC or maybe Slow Projectiles? (I am not sure if Point Blank is what I want since I would need to be close for it to work)
Tried using Blood Rage, it didn't work out well. Also it forces me to rush the area which is not my prefered style :D
I found it works better with life builds when you can run around with a Stone Golem whose life regen nullifies Blood Rage life loss or you can use potions to keep life up if you are not using that golem.
What is considered Crit capped? 95% or something less? Darkscorn has base 6.5% crit chance so it is hard to get crit capped without ICS.
Harbinger bow is a rare bow of some kind? That one has no chaos damage. Also I wanted to get that sweet 25% less physical damage that combination of DArkscorn and CI gives 
EDIT: I am doing this build on Standard so I got access to old Soul Strike
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With ci you are always at 100% life becaue you are at 1/1 so your light radius is constantly full. Arcane vision will only allow you to "feel" your energy shield going down by giving you the visceral light radius reaction to losing ES. It's pointless.
95% is hard crit cap, although diamond flasks somewhat bypass that (they roll the capped chance twice so you can in theory be north of 99%).
hatred gives you all the cold damage you need...
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On December 09 2016 02:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
With ci you are always at 100% life becaue you are at 1/1 so your light radius is constantly full. Arcane vision will only allow you to "feel" your energy shield going down by giving you the visceral light radius reaction to losing ES. It's pointless.
95% is hard crit cap, although diamond flasks somewhat bypass that (they roll the capped chance twice so you can in theory be north of 99%).
hatred gives you all the cold damage you need...
Ah lol, didn't know that. So I can save up one 1 skill point from all my future CI builds :D
I cannot fit hatred. I got Discipline, HoI and Arctic Armor. And even if I get rid of Arctic Armor I cannot fit Hatred. Also I don't need that bonus cold damage , I am physical/chaos damage.
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On December 09 2016 02:31 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 01:57 EchelonTee wrote:On December 08 2016 21:20 -Archangel- wrote:I am trying out a CI poison assassin using Darkscorn bow and Soulstrike quiver. I am using Snakebite gloves to get poison on hit. I need advice on how to maximise damage. I got 2x 5L. One is Frenzy+GMP+IncreasedCritStrike+AddedCold+Pierce - Added Cold is because I got a HoI+CoH+Assassin's Mark setup to generate charges from normal mobs and I am afraid without Added Cold I will not have enough cold damage to freeze enemies and trigger HoI to curse others with AssMark. Pierce is because of More projectile damage and I took 3 pierce points on the tree to get total of 100%. Second 5L is Barrage+IncreasedCritStrike+IncCritDamage+Added Chaos Damage+Life Leech. I only use this vs rare mobs and bosses. On the tree I mostly took more chaos damage nodes or those that give both more chaos and more physical. This would be my planned lvl 82 tree (not poeplanner link): www.poeurl.com tree looks good. you have the option of taking depth perception accuracy cluster if you need more accuracy/crit for 100% pierce you'd need to take the 2 5% chance to pierce nodes in the pierce wheel I've never really felt like arcane vision is worth it, but if it's big QoL improve for you I spose its ok Don't think you will need added cold to get HoI freezes, your crit multi will handle the cold damage. you definitely want added chaos instead there. I'm not sold on Frenzy as your AoE skill but the alternative would be Blood Rage with a frenzy sidesetup, might be too much hassle don't need life leech gem IMO, can get leech from jewel or gear. can use point blank for sweet more multiplier + double dip, or ppad if you are easily critcapped, swap ICS for void manipulation I'm not sure how good darkscorn will be compared to a high dps harbringer, I'm curious if it can stack up You are right about pierce lol, that middle passive I was sure said 10% pierce instead of damage lol :D But I think I will leave it, 10% less pierce chance I will live through :D I would rather have extra passive point. I tried a low life build without Arcane Vision and on dark maps I could barely see anything I was thinking of using Atziri Flask instead of Life Leech although that only works off Chaos damage. I might try that and replace Life Leech with PPoC or maybe Slow Projectiles? (I am not sure if Point Blank is what I want since I would need to be close for it to work) Harbinger bow is a rare bow of some kind? That one has no chaos damage. Also I wanted to get that sweet 25% less physical damage that combination of DArkscorn and CI gives EDIT: I am doing this build on Standard so I got access to old Soul Strike
problem with only using atziri flask is limited uses, longer boss fights will bone you. I'd still run the flask though because of the synergy with poisons. all you need is physical attack leech on a jewel, or craft it on a glove (prefix) and you'll be fine for mapping. it might be hard to out leech super strong bosses, but for those situation can change your setup slightly
yes harbringer bow has no chaos damage, but since poisons are based on your physical and chaos damage, it's possible a high enough dps harbringer will bring overall more dps than a darkscorn. I don't know the breakpoints though, quite inexperienced with bow characters. yeah the 25% phys dmg taken + CI is super nice. gl mate
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I'm fairly sure I just found something amazing. Gonna test it a bit when I get home, but this looks super promising.
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Just need to acquire ~ 300 chaos 
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Deafening woe is now below t2 for flat es. "Slightly".
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what the heck thats so bad
greeds are still awesome
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Tried playing life based elementalist FB this league and I'm not having fun at all. I'd get 7k with belly but I still have to log like I'm CI if I use 1 divine life flask.
At least I can use chayula instead of valyrium since I don't need crit multi if I go CI.
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If u want life based its better to go fb totems. Being able to move while thhe totem do the casting is pretty big.
Life is not viable for endgame red mapping unless you have bare minimum 8k+. 6-7k is fine for yellow maps. last league Ding lvl 93 crit hege AW with 7.5k life doing all the red maps
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Selfcast FB is a bit faster for clearspeed especially if you do c/regal recipe and u have only 5link. There's also problem with cast speed of totems if you have only like 110% inc cast speed, because you are already at edge of totem active range when it finishes the cast. You are barely even killing monsters if you go fast therefore looting is pain.
+ Show Spoiler +e: btw not saying selfcast is better than totems in high tiers.
I agree with that life thing. I would've never got 100 if i was life because there's so many random scenarios happening from time to time.
I don't need that much defenses as I'm not going to go ham on this league because of nostalrius and I'm just doing random challenges for MTXs.
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Haha, this talk. My CI characters when they are in 6000+ ES I am happy. My life characters are usually 3000+
I guess end game of this game is just not meant for players like me
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On December 09 2016 17:59 -Archangel- wrote:Haha, this talk. My CI characters when they are in 6000+ ES I am happy. My life characters are usually 3000+ I guess end game of this game is just not meant for players like me
There's no right way to play PoE - only a right way to achieve your own goals.
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On December 09 2016 18:44 Ryndika wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 17:59 -Archangel- wrote:Haha, this talk. My CI characters when they are in 6000+ ES I am happy. My life characters are usually 3000+ I guess end game of this game is just not meant for players like me There's no right way to play PoE - only a right way to achieve your own goals.
Well my current goal is to finish Uber Lab and Normal Atziri once. I cba to farm for good enough items to do Shaper or Uber Atziri. And I am trying to accomplish that on Standard because doing it all from nothing on Breach does not sound fun.
Once I do both I will probably make a character on Breach to frack around a bit.
Closest character I got to power needed to do those two challenges is a 5500 ES/600 life Low Life Scion that does fire to chaos conversion and uses self cast Fireballs and Arctic Breath totems.
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BTW, with new cast when channeling would Wither+CwC+Firestorm (and fire to chaos items) possible be a good build? :D
Maybe I could swap that instead of the Fireball I use :D
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On December 09 2016 07:01 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 02:31 -Archangel- wrote:On December 09 2016 01:57 EchelonTee wrote:On December 08 2016 21:20 -Archangel- wrote:I am trying out a CI poison assassin using Darkscorn bow and Soulstrike quiver. I am using Snakebite gloves to get poison on hit. I need advice on how to maximise damage. I got 2x 5L. One is Frenzy+GMP+IncreasedCritStrike+AddedCold+Pierce - Added Cold is because I got a HoI+CoH+Assassin's Mark setup to generate charges from normal mobs and I am afraid without Added Cold I will not have enough cold damage to freeze enemies and trigger HoI to curse others with AssMark. Pierce is because of More projectile damage and I took 3 pierce points on the tree to get total of 100%. Second 5L is Barrage+IncreasedCritStrike+IncCritDamage+Added Chaos Damage+Life Leech. I only use this vs rare mobs and bosses. On the tree I mostly took more chaos damage nodes or those that give both more chaos and more physical. This would be my planned lvl 82 tree (not poeplanner link): www.poeurl.com tree looks good. you have the option of taking depth perception accuracy cluster if you need more accuracy/crit for 100% pierce you'd need to take the 2 5% chance to pierce nodes in the pierce wheel I've never really felt like arcane vision is worth it, but if it's big QoL improve for you I spose its ok Don't think you will need added cold to get HoI freezes, your crit multi will handle the cold damage. you definitely want added chaos instead there. I'm not sold on Frenzy as your AoE skill but the alternative would be Blood Rage with a frenzy sidesetup, might be too much hassle don't need life leech gem IMO, can get leech from jewel or gear. can use point blank for sweet more multiplier + double dip, or ppad if you are easily critcapped, swap ICS for void manipulation I'm not sure how good darkscorn will be compared to a high dps harbringer, I'm curious if it can stack up You are right about pierce lol, that middle passive I was sure said 10% pierce instead of damage lol :D But I think I will leave it, 10% less pierce chance I will live through :D I would rather have extra passive point. I tried a low life build without Arcane Vision and on dark maps I could barely see anything I was thinking of using Atziri Flask instead of Life Leech although that only works off Chaos damage. I might try that and replace Life Leech with PPoC or maybe Slow Projectiles? (I am not sure if Point Blank is what I want since I would need to be close for it to work) Harbinger bow is a rare bow of some kind? That one has no chaos damage. Also I wanted to get that sweet 25% less physical damage that combination of DArkscorn and CI gives EDIT: I am doing this build on Standard so I got access to old Soul Strike problem with only using atziri flask is limited uses, longer boss fights will bone you. I'd still run the flask though because of the synergy with poisons. all you need is physical attack leech on a jewel, or craft it on a glove (prefix) and you'll be fine for mapping. it might be hard to out leech super strong bosses, but for those situation can change your setup slightly yes harbringer bow has no chaos damage, but since poisons are based on your physical and chaos damage, it's possible a high enough dps harbringer will bring overall more dps than a darkscorn. I don't know the breakpoints though, quite inexperienced with bow characters. yeah the 25% phys dmg taken + CI is super nice. gl mate
OK, I am trying out different setups for now. Atm I switched to Discipline+ AssMark with Blasphemy. Then I got rid of HoI, and used extra slots for SpellTotem+Wither+Faster Casting.
I put Added Chaos instead of Added Cold in my Frenzy setup and got rid off Life Leech from Barrage. Currently using lvl 18 slower projectiles until my other two suggested support skills level up so I can try all 3.
My ES is not great, around 5500 but I still got some more ES nodes to take and possibly upgrade my gear in the future (I am using a self crafted 5L Vaal Regalia with 650 ES).
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Lightning trap, with voltaxic weapon switch to poison bosses is the future, calling it here.
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Now I have. I am already thinking how to merge this with my build. We got almost same setup only he is CI and I am low life.
He does chaos life leech and I got 2 totems for those situations.
His 5L body slot is for boss clearing while I use it for fast map clearing (and I do it way faster than him as my 75% chaos GMP fireballs one shoot normal stuff even beyond the screen).
But It would be cool if I could assist my totems vs bosses with Wither that also casts shit that is not fireball :D
Also the guy has nothing to mitigate stun, I don't have a clue how he manages to map at all.
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