I don't need to say anything more about Chris Foye - the fact that Arsenal fans among others are calling his performance horrendous is enough. Drogba definitely deserved to be sent off though, he has completely lost the plot. The second half performance was one of the greatest I've ever seen though. We should be stronger coming out of this and AVB will have the ammunition he needs to implement the old Mourinho "us against the world" mentality at the Bridge once again.
The second half performance from Chelsea today was amazing. In previous games before the AVB era where Chelsea have been a man down, they would have pressed auto-destruct. They really showed their team spirit today.
Oh dear Ferguson, now will you buy some central midfielders, or at least drop rooney into midfield. And however bitter it sounds, at least i can take some comfort in the fact that it could be any team, city are basically the example of what happens when you use cheats on fifa to buy every and any player, expect its real life lol.
On October 20 2011 06:12 TranceStorm wrote: Hmm, it seems to be the trend that German champions who aren't Bayern have trouble replicating their good form in the next season. Is it just because they lose some of their players and struggle with the increased workloads of their new schedules?
Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga
but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left....
the thing is....german clubs are poor and do not invest, clubs like Inter (Massimo Moratti / Oil), AC Miland (Berlusconi / Media), Juventus (invested already 100 mio with another 150 mio coming), Chelsea (Abramowitsch / Oil), ManCity (some arab guy / Oil), Barca (big bank loans/ insane TV rights revenue), Real Madrid (same) invest insanely every season, thus they can have constant progress. (example: dortmund bought perisic for 6 mio, lost sahin, thats it)
The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income.....
Isn't it true though that german clubs have more balanced budgets (i.e. they aren't incurring massive losses like other European clubs). I suppose that you really need tons of money to run a successful club nowadays.
yea, but thats achieved through tough regulations of the german league. in a nutshell: if your depts are too high your license to play in the professional leagues will be revoked. so german teams cant just go all crazy and spend money they dont actually have. but on the bright side, this brings stability in the league and also helps our talents, as every club except bayern heavily relies on their youthsquad and scouting of young talents. also we have a so-called 50+1 rule. this means 51% of the stock has to be in the hands of the clubmembers. so its not possible to run a project like city or malaga in germany. exceptions for that rule are leverkusen and wolfsburg, as they go way back as company teams. dortmund overachieved last season imo, but that might just be my twisted hatred for them as schalke supporter speaking :p
On October 20 2011 06:12 TranceStorm wrote: Hmm, it seems to be the trend that German champions who aren't Bayern have trouble replicating their good form in the next season. Is it just because they lose some of their players and struggle with the increased workloads of their new schedules?
Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga
but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left....
the thing is....german clubs are poor and do not invest, clubs like Inter (Massimo Moratti / Oil), AC Miland (Berlusconi / Media), Juventus (invested already 100 mio with another 150 mio coming), Chelsea (Abramowitsch / Oil), ManCity (some arab guy / Oil), Barca (big bank loans/ insane TV rights revenue), Real Madrid (same) invest insanely every season, thus they can have constant progress. (example: dortmund bought perisic for 6 mio, lost sahin, thats it)
The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income.....
Isn't it true though that german clubs have more balanced budgets (i.e. they aren't incurring massive losses like other European clubs). I suppose that you really need tons of money to run a successful club nowadays.
yea, but thats achieved through tough regulations of the german league. in a nutshell: if your depts are too high your license to play in the professional leagues will be revoked. so german teams cant just go all crazy and spend money they dont actually have. but on the bright side, this brings stability in the league and also helps our talents, as every club except bayern heavily relies on their youthsquad and scouting of young talents. also we have a so-called 50+1 rule. this means 51% of the stock has to be in the hands of the clubmembers. so its not possible to run a project like city or malaga in germany. exceptions for that rule are leverkusen and wolfsburg, as they go way back as company teams. dortmund overachieved last season imo, but that might just be my twisted hatred for them as schalke supporter speaking :p
That's also probably the reason why England sucks at international football (speaking of World Cup/European Cup) and why teams like Spain, Germany, Netherlands excel. Too much money in the premier league. They'd rather buy talent from overseas than focussing on their own youth division. For example the youth squads at Ajax dominate in European tournaments against other youthsquads which is weird considering.
That's also probably the reason why England sucks at international football (speaking of World Cup/European Cup) and why teams like Spain and Germany excel.
Last season Mourinho's Real Madrid lost 5-0 to Barcelona on the first leg, draw on the second, won the Spanish Cup final, and put a decent fight at CL semifinal (you know the story). And that 5-0 wasn't helped by a red card or 3 goals in aggregate.
Also the score doesn't really matter in the league you still only get 3 points. United could get demolished by city twice this year and still win the league by beating everyone else.
On October 20 2011 06:12 TranceStorm wrote: Hmm, it seems to be the trend that German champions who aren't Bayern have trouble replicating their good form in the next season. Is it just because they lose some of their players and struggle with the increased workloads of their new schedules?
Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga
but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left....
the thing is....german clubs are poor and do not invest, clubs like Inter (Massimo Moratti / Oil), AC Miland (Berlusconi / Media), Juventus (invested already 100 mio with another 150 mio coming), Chelsea (Abramowitsch / Oil), ManCity (some arab guy / Oil), Barca (big bank loans/ insane TV rights revenue), Real Madrid (same) invest insanely every season, thus they can have constant progress. (example: dortmund bought perisic for 6 mio, lost sahin, thats it)
The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income.....
Isn't it true though that german clubs have more balanced budgets (i.e. they aren't incurring massive losses like other European clubs). I suppose that you really need tons of money to run a successful club nowadays.
yea, but thats achieved through tough regulations of the german league. in a nutshell: if your depts are too high your license to play in the professional leagues will be revoked. so german teams cant just go all crazy and spend money they dont actually have. but on the bright side, this brings stability in the league and also helps our talents, as every club except bayern heavily relies on their youthsquad and scouting of young talents. also we have a so-called 50+1 rule. this means 51% of the stock has to be in the hands of the clubmembers. so its not possible to run a project like city or malaga in germany. exceptions for that rule are leverkusen and wolfsburg, as they go way back as company teams. dortmund overachieved last season imo, but that might just be my twisted hatred for them as schalke supporter speaking :p
That's also probably the reason why England sucks at international football (speaking of World Cup/European Cup) and why teams like Spain, Germany, Netherlands excel. Too much money in the premier league. They'd rather buy talent from overseas than focussing on their own youth division. For example the youth squads at Ajax dominate in European tournaments against other youthsquads which is weird considering.
I wouldn't trade. Would you give up the best league in the world to slightly increase our chances of winning at international level? (let's be honest we'd still lose).
On October 20 2011 06:12 TranceStorm wrote: Hmm, it seems to be the trend that German champions who aren't Bayern have trouble replicating their good form in the next season. Is it just because they lose some of their players and struggle with the increased workloads of their new schedules?
Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga
but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left....
the thing is....german clubs are poor and do not invest, clubs like Inter (Massimo Moratti / Oil), AC Miland (Berlusconi / Media), Juventus (invested already 100 mio with another 150 mio coming), Chelsea (Abramowitsch / Oil), ManCity (some arab guy / Oil), Barca (big bank loans/ insane TV rights revenue), Real Madrid (same) invest insanely every season, thus they can have constant progress. (example: dortmund bought perisic for 6 mio, lost sahin, thats it)
The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income.....
Isn't it true though that german clubs have more balanced budgets (i.e. they aren't incurring massive losses like other European clubs). I suppose that you really need tons of money to run a successful club nowadays.
yea, but thats achieved through tough regulations of the german league. in a nutshell: if your depts are too high your license to play in the professional leagues will be revoked. so german teams cant just go all crazy and spend money they dont actually have. but on the bright side, this brings stability in the league and also helps our talents, as every club except bayern heavily relies on their youthsquad and scouting of young talents. also we have a so-called 50+1 rule. this means 51% of the stock has to be in the hands of the clubmembers. so its not possible to run a project like city or malaga in germany. exceptions for that rule are leverkusen and wolfsburg, as they go way back as company teams. dortmund overachieved last season imo, but that might just be my twisted hatred for them as schalke supporter speaking :p
That's also probably the reason why England sucks at international football (speaking of World Cup/European Cup) and why teams like Spain, Germany, Netherlands excel. Too much money in the premier league. They'd rather buy talent from overseas than focussing on their own youth division. For example the youth squads at Ajax dominate in European tournaments against other youthsquads which is weird considering.
I wouldn't trade. Would you give up the best league in the world to slightly increase our chances of winning at international level? (let's be honest we'd still lose).
That's also probably the reason why England sucks at international football (speaking of World Cup/European Cup) and why teams like Spain and Germany excel.
I feel the above post should read more like this.
I feel you should read better. He said World Cup/European Cup. You know, the one where in the rankings Spain is first, Netherlands second, Germany third and England 7th.
That's also probably the reason why England sucks at international football (speaking of World Cup/European Cup) and why teams like Spain and Germany excel.
I feel the above post should read more like this.
I feel you should read better. He said World Cup/European Cup. You know, the one where in the rankings Spain is first, Netherlands second, Germany third and England 7th.
Nope. Compared to Spain's recent domination of world football and Germany's sustained success, I would hardly say the Netherlands excel, you could say Brazil excel. To be honest the FIFA rankings are a bit of a joke, the rankings of some teams are ridiculous. Netherlands and Spain deserve to be first and second at the moment but to clarify it is more like 1)............. 2) 3) 4)
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