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AngryLlama
Profile Joined September 2005
United States1227 Posts
April 24 2012 23:02 GMT
#6801
Torres : Barca's kryptonite
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:26:20
April 24 2012 23:17 GMT
#6802
--- Nuked ---
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
April 24 2012 23:31 GMT
#6803
On an unrelated football note, what a goal:
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
AngryLlama
Profile Joined September 2005
United States1227 Posts
April 24 2012 23:35 GMT
#6804
^
[image loading]

im not sure about now, but i have very little question that puyol would tear it up in the EPL (although in all likelihood probably a bit less), and even though he lacks strength compared to other more built players he more than makes up for it with exceptional tenacity and leadership.

could you give me some examples of CBs in the EPL that you rate higher than both puyol and pique and that are not part of any team in the top 3-4? because from what i've gathered you seem to rate the entire league it seems higher than them which i find curious.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:49:28
April 24 2012 23:44 GMT
#6805
--- Nuked ---
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
April 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#6806
On April 25 2012 05:11 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:10 Neelia wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:07 0kz wrote:
Im a little late ( damn work ) who got expulsed and why? D:


[image loading]

Barca is playing pretty bad for having 1 player more on the pitch lol.


2 if you include the ref

Please bro, just shut the fuck up already..


Also congrats to Chelsea. Play their hearts out. and Torres scoring the winner I just couldn't help but chuckle :D
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
April 25 2012 00:19 GMT
#6807
On April 25 2012 05:50 Steveling wrote:
What I(and many others with me, I think) don't like about that win, is that they won in the manner that I would expect my local team Olympiakos to play against Barca.
They were inferior, they knew it, they decided to play defensively, and they somehow won. That's not what I expect from a big team. There's no pride in that.
But then again, you have Arsenal/Real trying to play ball and getting humiliated so can't really blame Chelsea for choosing that way.

If football was about pride, Barça players wouldn't sit on their asses asking for fouls half the time they're in the pitch. The better team won because they played to their opponent's weaknesses. It was the exact same thing as Inter-Barça from 2010: Mourinho knew he had to secure his advantage by any means possible.
Timurid
Profile Joined April 2011
Guyana (French)656 Posts
April 25 2012 01:02 GMT
#6808
Cobham>La Masia
Knap4life
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Slovenia333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 02:11:23
April 25 2012 01:59 GMT
#6809
So glad Barca is out.


Man , i love all those Barca tears , so delicous. People saying Chelsea did not deserve to win are just in denial.In the end only goals matter.

Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
April 25 2012 03:11 GMT
#6810
On April 25 2012 08:44 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:35 AngryLlama wrote:
^
[image loading]

im not sure about now, but i have very little question that puyol would tear it up in the EPL (although in all likelihood probably a bit less), and even though he lacks strength compared to other more built players he more than makes up for it with exceptional tenacity and leadership.

could you give me some examples of CBs in the EPL that you rate higher than both puyol and pique and that are not part of any team in the top 3-4? because from what i've gathered you seem to rate the entire league it seems higher than them which i find curious.

Tenacity and leadership are not as important as knowing where the fuck to stand. Puyol and Pique do not seem to know where they should be stood at any particular moment in time, unless it involves being offensive (which isn't actually that useful as a defender).

Outside the top 4?

Tottenham: King, Dawson, Nelsen (maybe).
Chelsea: Terry, Cahill (would make an excellent Barcelona centre-half with his attacking mindset and passing ability).
Everton: Jagielka.
Liverpool: Skrtel.
Fulham: Hangelaand (maybe)
Sunderland: O'Shea, Brown (both maybes, ex-United so I am biased).
Stoke: Huth.
Aston Villa: Dunne.
Blackburn: Samba (until he left, of course)

EDIT: Some of those teams have defensive midfielders who are probably better centre-halves than either Puyol or Pique. It's actually quite funny.

EDIT2: Not all of these players would be ideal for Barcelona because some of them can't pass the ball very well, but they are all better defenders than Puyol/Pique. This is kinda my point: Pique and Puyol only work as centre-halves for Barcelona because they can pass the ball very well and can kinda make a half-arsed attempt at defending...


I largely agree with this, although they are great because they fit the system. So it's not really a knock to them.
Timurid
Profile Joined April 2011
Guyana (French)656 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 04:01:29
April 25 2012 03:14 GMT
#6811
On April 25 2012 12:11 Klogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:44 Sated wrote:
On April 25 2012 08:35 AngryLlama wrote:
^
[image loading]

im not sure about now, but i have very little question that puyol would tear it up in the EPL (although in all likelihood probably a bit less), and even though he lacks strength compared to other more built players he more than makes up for it with exceptional tenacity and leadership.

could you give me some examples of CBs in the EPL that you rate higher than both puyol and pique and that are not part of any team in the top 3-4? because from what i've gathered you seem to rate the entire league it seems higher than them which i find curious.

Tenacity and leadership are not as important as knowing where the fuck to stand. Puyol and Pique do not seem to know where they should be stood at any particular moment in time, unless it involves being offensive (which isn't actually that useful as a defender).

Outside the top 4?

Tottenham: King, Dawson, Nelsen (maybe).
Chelsea: Terry, Cahill (would make an excellent Barcelona centre-half with his attacking mindset and passing ability).
Everton: Jagielka.
Liverpool: Skrtel.
Fulham: Hangelaand (maybe)
Sunderland: O'Shea, Brown (both maybes, ex-United so I am biased).
Stoke: Huth.
Aston Villa: Dunne.
Blackburn: Samba (until he left, of course)

EDIT: Some of those teams have defensive midfielders who are probably better centre-halves than either Puyol or Pique. It's actually quite funny.

EDIT2: Not all of these players would be ideal for Barcelona because some of them can't pass the ball very well, but they are all better defenders than Puyol/Pique. This is kinda my point: Pique and Puyol only work as centre-halves for Barcelona because they can pass the ball very well and can kinda make a half-arsed attempt at defending...


I largely agree with this, although they are great because they fit the system. So it's not really a knock to them.

nvm.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 25 2012 04:41 GMT
#6812
On April 25 2012 12:11 Klogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:44 Sated wrote:
On April 25 2012 08:35 AngryLlama wrote:
^
[image loading]

im not sure about now, but i have very little question that puyol would tear it up in the EPL (although in all likelihood probably a bit less), and even though he lacks strength compared to other more built players he more than makes up for it with exceptional tenacity and leadership.

could you give me some examples of CBs in the EPL that you rate higher than both puyol and pique and that are not part of any team in the top 3-4? because from what i've gathered you seem to rate the entire league it seems higher than them which i find curious.

Tenacity and leadership are not as important as knowing where the fuck to stand. Puyol and Pique do not seem to know where they should be stood at any particular moment in time, unless it involves being offensive (which isn't actually that useful as a defender).

Outside the top 4?

Tottenham: King, Dawson, Nelsen (maybe).
Chelsea: Terry, Cahill (would make an excellent Barcelona centre-half with his attacking mindset and passing ability).
Everton: Jagielka.
Liverpool: Skrtel.
Fulham: Hangelaand (maybe)
Sunderland: O'Shea, Brown (both maybes, ex-United so I am biased).
Stoke: Huth.
Aston Villa: Dunne.
Blackburn: Samba (until he left, of course)

EDIT: Some of those teams have defensive midfielders who are probably better centre-halves than either Puyol or Pique. It's actually quite funny.

EDIT2: Not all of these players would be ideal for Barcelona because some of them can't pass the ball very well, but they are all better defenders than Puyol/Pique. This is kinda my point: Pique and Puyol only work as centre-halves for Barcelona because they can pass the ball very well and can kinda make a half-arsed attempt at defending...


I largely agree with this, although they are great because they fit the system. So it's not really a knock to them.


Please, these are all over exaggerations. With that wonderful little PL bias. None of these players would be any better even without their ability to pass the ball well in a Barca system. Based on pure defensive qualities alone they would all get skinned way more than the Pique's and Puyol's should they have to face good counter attacking play. With the space available to opposing teams the way they attack its always a danger regardless of who you are. The margin for error is next to nothing. The space has always been there, most attempts to hit them on the counter just havent been sharp enough. Naturally the weakness has finally come to be exposed consistently and Barca will have to do something to change that, but that has little to do with the defenders themselves..

pointing out stuff like "Puyol's positioning on the first goal is just nitpicking" What about Chelsea on the first goal ? What were the 10 defenders in the box doing after the corner? Was that not horrible positioning? Please dont nitpick to prove a point look at the averages wether against English opposition or otherwise and dont be miopic.

None of those players you mentioned will not get exposed time and time again with the space that is available on the counter. Theyd be chasing shadows even if they were bred into the system and got used to it.

However its pretty easy to put a Puyol or a Pique and in a conventional defensive system and have them perform better than the majority of those players. While none of those defenders would work with Barca, nearly all of those defenders can be easily replaced by a Puyol or a Pique. Ill give you a Dawson or a King (if he ever plays a game) everyone else is nothing special at all. Sitting back and heading the ball, while lunging in for tackles every now and then isnt exactly the embodiement of defending.

Its easy to ignore in hindsight that Chelsea while doing enough did not fail to give oppurtunities to Barca to win the game 10 men or otherwise. Just because its not made a big deal of by myself personally doesnt mean you should ignore it. I could make the same criticism. How lousy a defense do you have to be to let Barca in with 10 men in a 20 by 20 space ? See ? Its retarded fingerpointing at isolated stuff that has no bearing on the overall quality. I mean give Chelsea's attacking threat some credit. Lamps pass was ridiculously good (just like in the first game) and Ramires run and finish were good enough to deserve a goal against the best of defenses. As it stands this is still petty logic, "oh they never have to defend, so they arent really that good." Ofcourse they do and only in situations where the opponent has the entire pitch post half line to work with against 2-3 defenders. Your Huths and Hangelands would spend most of the time kissing the grass while attackers whiz past them.


Should it become a regular feature, yea sure then we can start talking.
uberMatt
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada659 Posts
April 25 2012 04:54 GMT
#6813
On April 25 2012 13:41 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 12:11 Klogon wrote:
On April 25 2012 08:44 Sated wrote:
On April 25 2012 08:35 AngryLlama wrote:
^
[image loading]

im not sure about now, but i have very little question that puyol would tear it up in the EPL (although in all likelihood probably a bit less), and even though he lacks strength compared to other more built players he more than makes up for it with exceptional tenacity and leadership.

could you give me some examples of CBs in the EPL that you rate higher than both puyol and pique and that are not part of any team in the top 3-4? because from what i've gathered you seem to rate the entire league it seems higher than them which i find curious.

Tenacity and leadership are not as important as knowing where the fuck to stand. Puyol and Pique do not seem to know where they should be stood at any particular moment in time, unless it involves being offensive (which isn't actually that useful as a defender).

Outside the top 4?

Tottenham: King, Dawson, Nelsen (maybe).
Chelsea: Terry, Cahill (would make an excellent Barcelona centre-half with his attacking mindset and passing ability).
Everton: Jagielka.
Liverpool: Skrtel.
Fulham: Hangelaand (maybe)
Sunderland: O'Shea, Brown (both maybes, ex-United so I am biased).
Stoke: Huth.
Aston Villa: Dunne.
Blackburn: Samba (until he left, of course)

EDIT: Some of those teams have defensive midfielders who are probably better centre-halves than either Puyol or Pique. It's actually quite funny.

EDIT2: Not all of these players would be ideal for Barcelona because some of them can't pass the ball very well, but they are all better defenders than Puyol/Pique. This is kinda my point: Pique and Puyol only work as centre-halves for Barcelona because they can pass the ball very well and can kinda make a half-arsed attempt at defending...


I largely agree with this, although they are great because they fit the system. So it's not really a knock to them.


Please, these are all over exaggerations. With that wonderful little PL bias. None of these players would be any better even without their ability to pass the ball well in a Barca system. Based on pure defensive qualities alone they would all get skinned way more than the Pique's and Puyol's should they have to face good counter attacking play. With the space available to opposing teams the way they attack its always a danger regardless of who you are. The margin for error is next to nothing. The space has always been there, most attempts to hit them on the counter just havent been sharp enough. Naturally the weakness has finally come to be exposed consistently and Barca will have to do something to change that, but that has little to do with the defenders themselves..

pointing out stuff like "Puyol's positioning on the first goal is just nitpicking" What about Chelsea on the first goal ? What were the 10 defenders in the box doing after the corner? Was that not horrible positioning? Please dont nitpick to prove a point look at the averages wether against English opposition or otherwise and dont be miopic.

None of those players you mentioned will not get exposed time and time again with the space that is available on the counter. Theyd be chasing shadows even if they were bred into the system and got used to it.

However its pretty easy to put a Puyol or a Pique and in a conventional defensive system and have them perform better than the majority of those players. While none of those defenders would work with Barca, nearly all of those defenders can be easily replaced by a Puyol or a Pique. Ill give you a Dawson or a King (if he ever plays a game) everyone else is nothing special at all. Sitting back and heading the ball, while lunging in for tackles every now and then isnt exactly the embodiement of defending.

Its easy to ignore in hindsight that Chelsea while doing enough did not fail to give oppurtunities to Barca to win the game 10 men or otherwise. Just because its not made a big deal of by myself personally doesnt mean you should ignore it. I could make the same criticism. How lousy a defense do you have to be to let Barca in with 10 men in a 20 by 20 space ? See ? Its retarded fingerpointing at isolated stuff that has no bearing on the overall quality. I mean give Chelsea's attacking threat some credit. Lamps pass was ridiculously good (just like in the first game) and Ramires run and finish were good enough to deserve a goal against the best of defenses. As it stands this is still petty logic, "oh they never have to defend, so they arent really that good." Ofcourse they do and only in situations where the opponent has the entire pitch post half line to work with against 2-3 defenders. Your Huths and Hangelands would spend most of the time kissing the grass while attackers whiz past them.


Should it become a regular feature, yea sure then we can start talking.


i don't think it is 'petty logic' to suggest that barcelona's defenders have less practice defensively in big matches compared to other top teams due to their incredible amount of possession, nor that barca value offensive qualities more than defensive qualities, even in their fullbacks. but please, insert your stoke city jokes, they're endlessly funny!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 09:17:30
April 25 2012 09:13 GMT
#6814
Real Madrid (1) vs (2) Bayern Munich
Semi Final 2nd Leg - Kick Off 7:45 BST 8:45 CEST 2:45 EDT

Team News

Real Madrid - Have a fully fit squad to choose from basically, minus the the major doubt in Carvalho with a thigh injury, everyone else is fit.
Possibilties are around that both Kaka and Higuain will return to the starting line up and Marcelo might be prefered to Coentrao at left back

Bayern Munich - Have a rested team as several players where rested at the weekends game in bundesliga over werder breman. Bastian Schweinsteiger is set to retain his place in the line up but Daniel Van Buyten and Breno are both out injured for the tie.

Other News -
Heynckes, however, has had to deal with the extraordinary fallout from a confrontation between Arjen Robben and Franck Ribery during last week’s first-leg win. It was reported in Germany that Ribery even aimed a punch at Robben during half-time of the match, with a club spokesman simply responding by saying that “whatever happens in the locker room stays there.”


If Xabi Alonso, Coentrao, Ramos or Higuaín see a yellow card, they will not be able to play the Final and David Alaba, Philipp Lahm, Thomas Muller, Toni Kroos, Luiz Gustavo, Holger Badstuber and Jerome Boateng risk suffering the same fate.

So will it be fate and Mourinho vs Chelsea again or will Bayern hold there nerve in the Bernabou and lead themselves out in a champions league final at there home stadium!!

Poll: Real Madrid (1) vs (2) Bayern Munich

Bayern Munich Win (18)
 
60%

Real Madrid Win (12)
 
40%

30 total votes

Your vote: Real Madrid (1) vs (2) Bayern Munich

(Vote): Real Madrid Win
(Vote): Bayern Munich Win

ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
April 25 2012 09:30 GMT
#6815
On April 25 2012 13:41 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 12:11 Klogon wrote:
On April 25 2012 08:44 Sated wrote:
On April 25 2012 08:35 AngryLlama wrote:
^
[image loading]

im not sure about now, but i have very little question that puyol would tear it up in the EPL (although in all likelihood probably a bit less), and even though he lacks strength compared to other more built players he more than makes up for it with exceptional tenacity and leadership.

could you give me some examples of CBs in the EPL that you rate higher than both puyol and pique and that are not part of any team in the top 3-4? because from what i've gathered you seem to rate the entire league it seems higher than them which i find curious.

Tenacity and leadership are not as important as knowing where the fuck to stand. Puyol and Pique do not seem to know where they should be stood at any particular moment in time, unless it involves being offensive (which isn't actually that useful as a defender).

Outside the top 4?

Tottenham: King, Dawson, Nelsen (maybe).
Chelsea: Terry, Cahill (would make an excellent Barcelona centre-half with his attacking mindset and passing ability).
Everton: Jagielka.
Liverpool: Skrtel.
Fulham: Hangelaand (maybe)
Sunderland: O'Shea, Brown (both maybes, ex-United so I am biased).
Stoke: Huth.
Aston Villa: Dunne.
Blackburn: Samba (until he left, of course)

EDIT: Some of those teams have defensive midfielders who are probably better centre-halves than either Puyol or Pique. It's actually quite funny.

EDIT2: Not all of these players would be ideal for Barcelona because some of them can't pass the ball very well, but they are all better defenders than Puyol/Pique. This is kinda my point: Pique and Puyol only work as centre-halves for Barcelona because they can pass the ball very well and can kinda make a half-arsed attempt at defending...


I largely agree with this, although they are great because they fit the system. So it's not really a knock to them.


Please, these are all over exaggerations. With that wonderful little PL bias. None of these players would be any better even without their ability to pass the ball well in a Barca system. Based on pure defensive qualities alone they would all get skinned way more than the Pique's and Puyol's should they have to face good counter attacking play. With the space available to opposing teams the way they attack its always a danger regardless of who you are. The margin for error is next to nothing. The space has always been there, most attempts to hit them on the counter just havent been sharp enough. Naturally the weakness has finally come to be exposed consistently and Barca will have to do something to change that, but that has little to do with the defenders themselves..

pointing out stuff like "Puyol's positioning on the first goal is just nitpicking" What about Chelsea on the first goal ? What were the 10 defenders in the box doing after the corner? Was that not horrible positioning? Please dont nitpick to prove a point look at the averages wether against English opposition or otherwise and dont be miopic.

None of those players you mentioned will not get exposed time and time again with the space that is available on the counter. Theyd be chasing shadows even if they were bred into the system and got used to it.

However its pretty easy to put a Puyol or a Pique and in a conventional defensive system and have them perform better than the majority of those players. While none of those defenders would work with Barca, nearly all of those defenders can be easily replaced by a Puyol or a Pique. Ill give you a Dawson or a King (if he ever plays a game) everyone else is nothing special at all. Sitting back and heading the ball, while lunging in for tackles every now and then isnt exactly the embodiement of defending.

Its easy to ignore in hindsight that Chelsea while doing enough did not fail to give oppurtunities to Barca to win the game 10 men or otherwise. Just because its not made a big deal of by myself personally doesnt mean you should ignore it. I could make the same criticism. How lousy a defense do you have to be to let Barca in with 10 men in a 20 by 20 space ? See ? Its retarded fingerpointing at isolated stuff that has no bearing on the overall quality. I mean give Chelsea's attacking threat some credit. Lamps pass was ridiculously good (just like in the first game) and Ramires run and finish were good enough to deserve a goal against the best of defenses. As it stands this is still petty logic, "oh they never have to defend, so they arent really that good." Ofcourse they do and only in situations where the opponent has the entire pitch post half line to work with against 2-3 defenders. Your Huths and Hangelands would spend most of the time kissing the grass while attackers whiz past them.


Should it become a regular feature, yea sure then we can start talking.


wait till xavi, iniesta all have to retire and quit and then you will realise that barca are as good as they are because the midfield is probably one of the best EVER.... They make messi the player he is and the defence has so little work... most teams only have one player that you could call world class in their midfield mayb 2 and then you have Barca who have 4-5 players who could easily be in a end of season euro team...
Live and Let Die!
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
April 25 2012 09:48 GMT
#6816
On April 25 2012 18:13 Pandemona wrote:
Real Madrid (1) vs (2) Bayern Munich
Semi Final 2nd Leg - Kick Off 7:45 BST 8:45 CEST 2:45 EDT

Team News

Real Madrid - Have a fully fit squad to choose from basically, minus the the major doubt in Carvalho with a thigh injury, everyone else is fit.
Possibilties are around that both Kaka and Higuain will return to the starting line up and Marcelo might be prefered to Coentrao at left back

Bayern Munich - Have a rested team as several players where rested at the weekends game in bundesliga over werder breman. Bastian Schweinsteiger is set to retain his place in the line up but Daniel Van Buyten and Breno are both out injured for the tie.

Other News -
Show nested quote +
Heynckes, however, has had to deal with the extraordinary fallout from a confrontation between Arjen Robben and Franck Ribery during last week’s first-leg win. It was reported in Germany that Ribery even aimed a punch at Robben during half-time of the match, with a club spokesman simply responding by saying that “whatever happens in the locker room stays there.”


If Xabi Alonso, Coentrao, Ramos or Higuaín see a yellow card, they will not be able to play the Final and David Alaba, Philipp Lahm, Thomas Muller, Toni Kroos, Luiz Gustavo, Holger Badstuber and Jerome Boateng risk suffering the same fate.

So will it be fate and Mourinho vs Chelsea again or will Bayern hold there nerve in the Bernabou and lead themselves out in a champions league final at there home stadium!!

Poll: Real Madrid (1) vs (2) Bayern Munich

Bayern Munich Win (18)
 
60%

Real Madrid Win (12)
 
40%

30 total votes

Your vote: Real Madrid (1) vs (2) Bayern Munich

(Vote): Real Madrid Win
(Vote): Bayern Munich Win



should be interesting want Bayern to do it as everyone thought it would be Barca vs Real final...,but really I just want to see a good game! So not bothered who wins now Barca are out!!!
Live and Let Die!
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
April 25 2012 10:05 GMT
#6817
Hoping and thinking it's gonna be a Real Madrid win tonight. 2-0 with Higuaín and Ronaldo scoring, and at least two crazy saves from Casillas. Real fighting! :D
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 25 2012 10:16 GMT
#6818
I guess I want RM to win. I'm no fan of either team or any of the players but Robben makes the scale tip in RM's favor.
And I seriously hold a grudge for that Lahm guy too.

Go Christina, just this once I lubs you <3<3
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graan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany589 Posts
April 25 2012 10:29 GMT
#6819
Can not wait for tonight.. with chelsea's win we have an actual shot for the titel in our home, dont get me wrong i have huge respect for chelsea but i am sure one of our defensive/central players will get booked today, chelsea has to suffer the same so it could be an interessting game, against barca we would not stand a chance at all is my opinion.

I'm calling a fantastic match tonight, real will go in the lead and everyone writes us out - but we will strike back like 2 years ago vs manu ! 3-2 for real and munich goes crazy !
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
April 25 2012 10:35 GMT
#6820
On April 25 2012 19:16 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I guess I want RM to win. I'm no fan of either team or any of the players but Robben makes the scale tip in RM's favor.
And I seriously hold a grudge for that Lahm guy too.

Go Christina, just this once I lubs you <3<3


I really dislike Robben too, but what do you have against Lahm?
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