EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 340
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
barcalona got outplayed by 10 men it happens sometimes | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 25 2012 06:53 Rebs wrote: Dont need to have be Cruyff to know more than people who rile of this kind of drivel with the confidence of a baboon in heat,.. LOL mate, this is a starcraft forum at the end of the day  Theres only going to be 10% of the posters in this forum who understand what can happen and does happen and is the meaning of football. Don't wind yourself up about some of the idiots That guy clearly is 1 way thinking of what football is and forever will be in his opinion. Don't forget most Spanish fans are all on a high from EUROs and World Cup win, thinking they are the best in the world (which they are at the moment don't get me wrong) but thats why they think there right, Barca play like there first team, so bad at defending but so good with the ball and going forward. Obviously there 100% better than Barca at the back, but international level (Take the minion teams like Switzerland into account) they are not organised enough defensively to shut out games like Barca can, or defend out games. Theres always a chance in football to score whether your playing poor opposition or great opposition, there is always that ONE chance, every game. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Cech Bosingwa - David Luiz - Gary Cahill (or Ferreira / Bertrand / Hutchinson in that order) - Cole Lampard - Essien - Romeu or Obi Mikel Mata - Drogba - Malouda The defense will be strange. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
lol @ gary neville  | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
Oh man Geoff Shreeves, have a little tact please mate? You've just butchered Ivanovic there... Big up Chelsea! And hahaha suck it up, anyone that has only followed football for a few years and think Barcelona possession is the CORRECT way to play football? And that Chelsea don't deserve it? I like watching you butt hurt fan boys cry. And since when does Barcelona have so many fucking HARDCORE foreign fans (aka 2-3 years)? Jeez... get a grip. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6257 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:04 Pandemona wrote: LOL mate, this is a starcraft forum at the end of the day Theres only going to be 10% of the posters in this forum who understand what can happen and does happen and is the meaning of football. Don't wind yourself up about some of the idiots That guy clearly is 1 way thinking of what football is and forever will be in his opinion. Don't forget most Spanish fans are all on a high from EUROs and World Cup win, thinking they are the best in the world (which they are at the moment don't get me wrong) but thats why they think there right, Barca play like there first team, so bad at defending but so good with the ball and going forward. Obviously there 100% better than Barca at the back, but international level (Take the minion teams like Switzerland into account) they are not organised enough defensively to shut out games like Barca can, or defend out games. Theres always a chance in football to score whether your playing poor opposition or great opposition, there is always that ONE chance, every game. Saying they're bad at defending is just going way to far sure their defense is their worst line but then again it's the worst line of the best team of the world with the best player in the offense and 2 top 5 players and probably the best 2 midfielders on the midfield. You can't even call the 2nd Chelsea goal bad defending anyway Barca went all or nothing and the risk didn't pay off. | ||
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Jeenyus
United States109 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
It seems pretty clear that it wasn't a hand controlled the ball before the pass to Torres. It definitely looks like he headed it into the ground. On topic, oh Gary Neville... Having 25% possession and still winning isnt "deserving" the win. especially when you play 11 men in the bottom half of the 30 for the WHOLE game And yet Chelsea won once with it and tied while being a man down for 53 minutes. Suck it up. Both sides played well, but Chelsea just executed better and are going to have a great time in the finals. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:15 RvB wrote: Saying they're bad at defending is just going way to far sure their defense is their worst line but then again it's the worst line of the best team of the world with the best player in the offense and 2 top 5 players and probably the best 2 midfielders on the midfield. You can't even call the 2nd Chelsea goal bad defending anyway Barca went all or nothing and the risk didn't pay off. Well they have a defensive midfielder who was good defensive midfielder in England in Mascherano, and i have quotes from Pep basically saying he is there only decent CB. I don't ever see Masch as a CB, EVER. Puyol fantastic he would of made it in England/German/Italian type leagues easily, he is a class defender, but thats it for Barca, Pique is ok but sometimes crazy bit to many times xD The 2nd goal for Chelsea is just one team going all out to win a game, cant call it anything, my opinion is based on barca all the time xD | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:16 Jeenyus wrote: Having 25% possession and still winning isnt "deserving" the win. especially when you play 11 men in the bottom half of the 30 for the WHOLE game sorry I forgot what was the acceptable % of possession before you deserve a victory again? | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:16 Jeenyus wrote: Having 25% possession and still winning isnt "deserving" the win. especially when you play 11 men in the bottom half of the 30 for the WHOLE game If you only have 10 though? WP Chelsea, lucky win is still a win:> | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:20 Pandemona wrote: Well they have a defensive midfielder who was good defensive midfielder in England in Mascherano, and i have quotes from Pep basically saying he is there only decent CB. I don't ever see Masch as a CB, EVER. Puyol fantastic he would of made it in England/German/Italian type leagues easily, he is a class defender, but thats it for Barca, Pique is ok but sometimes crazy bit to many times xD The 2nd goal for Chelsea is just one team going all out to win a game, cant call it anything, my opinion is based on barca all the time xD Well Barca dont play conventional CB. So for all intensive purposes he was perfectly fine. They live and die by the way they play. Thats pretty much why they conceded the second goal. They like to be the protagonist even if it is at times ill advised. Thats why some people love them so much. Its an identity and if it looses out it looses out. Doesnt take away what theyve achieved. Ramirez finishing like a boss doesnt help. It was just Chelsea's night I dont think Barca played any better or worse than they usually do. It just wasnt good enough. "Football is just like this,The better side does not always win." Torres. On April 25 2012 07:21 Sated wrote: More seriously, Pique was sold because the coaching staff rated Evans higher. And that's a fact. He never looked that good for United beyond being able to play the ball out of defence, which is a nice trait to have but isn't as important as being able to defend. What little defensive ability Pique does have is definitely down to his training at United, and given more time at United he may have become a better defender, but to say he is a good defender now is selling truly good defenders incredibly short. Pique is made to look good by the exertions of Barcelona's incredibly-talented midfield, not by his own positioning, tackling, heading or marking. He was sold becaues Barcelona came calling and he asked to be sold. This is pretty well documented in the press so take it with whatever grain of salt you will. I dont know any instance of Evans being rated higher. I guess making shit up is easier when you feel "justified" whatever thats supposed to mean. So the defense got caught out. It doesnt change the fact the run of results is a relative aberation taking the entire picture into consideration. Getting knocked out of a tie doesnt mean people can be smug and repeat the same nonsense over and over. Sure its not the same old standard but its a Champions league semi final against world class opposition. Conceding a 2 goals over 2 legs is hardly "bad defense" The present string of results take away from the fact that theyre defense is still pretty good. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:22 snarl wrote: sorry I forgot what was the acceptable % of possession before you deserve a victory again? barca had 75% possession and no defenders hey look fernado scored chelsea shouldn't of won we played with 10 strikers and a goalie good football = deserving of win | ||
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horsebanger
141 Posts
GG WP Chelsea defence (mainly Drogba since all 10 was defending tbh). Terry should feel ashamed. | ||
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horsebanger
141 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:16 Jeenyus wrote: Having 25% possession and still winning isnt "deserving" the win. especially when you play 11 men in the bottom half of the 30 for the WHOLE game There are many ways you can play football. Defending and counterattacking is a strategy, just like passing the ball around until you think you can score. If winning isn't deserving the win, then losing is not even close so it's pointless bringing the possesion argument into this. Btw, they played 10 men in the bottom half  . | ||
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zf
231 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:41 horsebanger wrote: Btw, they played 10 men in the bottom half . And the jury's still out on Torres. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6257 Posts
On April 25 2012 07:20 Pandemona wrote: Well they have a defensive midfielder who was good defensive midfielder in England in Mascherano, and i have quotes from Pep basically saying he is there only decent CB. I don't ever see Masch as a CB, EVER. Puyol fantastic he would of made it in England/German/Italian type leagues easily, he is a class defender, but thats it for Barca, Pique is ok but sometimes crazy bit to many times xD The 2nd goal for Chelsea is just one team going all out to win a game, cant call it anything, my opinion is based on barca all the time xD Barca is one of the teams with the least goals against them and you don't achieve that with a bad defense. In the CL they've only gotten 10 goals against them with an average of 0.83 and only 2 teams performing better than them. In la liga they're even the team with 26 goals scored against them which is the lowest in the league. While obviously they don't have the best defense you can't reasonably say they have a bad defense either. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/liga/table.html http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2012/statistics/round=2000263/clubs/type=goalconceded/index.html | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
And for some reason he has a really good chance to bag a goal when he plays against Barca hehe. Chelsea are lucky bastards but this win better mean Di Matteo gets a full time gig ^^ | ||
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