• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:43
CET 13:43
KST 21:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC211[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Greetings.. No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Korean players' earnings Hit New All-Time High! List of top players active on ShieldBattery SOOP Hosts SC1 & SC2 Event Tournament: Kevin Scrim BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Bisu's Team vs Shuttle's Team 2026-11-14
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Simple Questions, Simple Answers Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10913 users

Europa Universalis 3 - Page 73

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 71 72 73 74 75 101 Next
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 13 2011 00:52 GMT
#1441
year is 1655. i am aachen. i have just gotten the revolutionary war casus belli. france was torn apart at the beginning of the game, i unified germany (but kept the tag since its aachen) and just finished off a holy war started in 1649 against the turks. war exhaustion is finally down to low levels. my income is 10x the second highest and my tech levels are around 50+ years ahead of the curve. i have 180% discipline, the largest army in the world, and enough 6fire/shock generals to keep my armies busy. I have over 200% trade efficiency.

options:

a) revolutionary war against the turks-kick them out of europe
b) revoultionary war against the balkanized pieces of france, release france as an all powerful vassal.
c) finish conquering india, then go beat up the persians and ming.
d) IN THE 17th CENTURY THERE IS ONLY WAR (i.e. declare war on anybody and everybody. I'm pretty sure I can win due to my sheer tech advantage and superior troops.)

before u say go to north america, just gotta say, fuck colonizers. i have one colony and its bermuda, which only happened because mecklenburg colonized it and in order for me to annex them i had to take it. all the money is in europe, so there's no need for me to go fight some poor natives.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 02:24:42
November 13 2011 02:16 GMT
#1442
when i played a game all the way to the end the one of the mostt valuable cots in the world was near cuba. attracted trade from 90% of western owned america. "all the money is in europe" not always true x)

start mass wars, as you go release vassels to drop infamy and then invite them in to the wars you fight. once you are that far ahead the game gets dull unless you just war everything : d

400% trade effeciency by the end of the game or you arent trying hard enough
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 02:28 GMT
#1443
How do you have 180% discipline? Is it modded? If not, by my calculations the highest possible discipline in DW is 178%:

10% Quality vs Quantity
6% Militia Act
5% Swedish Steel
20% Prussian Military Reforms
25% Esprit De Corps
12% Commandant

and you don't have the 20% from military reforms and 5% from swedish steel.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 02:48:46
November 13 2011 02:41 GMT
#1444
On November 13 2011 11:28 Pewt wrote:
How do you have 180% discipline? Is it modded? If not, by my calculations the highest possible discipline in DW is 178%:

10% Quality vs Quantity
6% Militia Act
5% Swedish Steel
20% Prussian Military Reforms
25% Esprit De Corps
12% Commandant

and you don't have the 20% from military reforms and 5% from swedish steel.

in death and taxes mod quality vs quantity gives you 40% discipline bonus

it gives you -50% manpower though, which is a bitch. Fortunately I have so many regimental centers that it hardly matters.

turdburgher i'd love to, but i just tried a "what if" scenario and ended up having my 80 twodecker ship fleet get completely annihlated by an english 6/6/2 admiral for no losses. Then I get blockaded, and I hate playing whack a rebel, even if my armies are crushing anything in their path (a 3/1/1 no leader army almost completely wiped out an ottoman doomstack). But Ottomans did inherit Swahili for some reason. It's going to be a long war.

I think instead I'll concentrate on acquiring vassals that are actually capable of naval warfare. On an aside note, Lubeck is making more income from production than trade. So theres you go.

-5 land naval kinda hurts lol
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 02:44 GMT
#1445
On November 13 2011 11:41 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 11:28 Pewt wrote:
How do you have 180% discipline? Is it modded? If not, by my calculations the highest possible discipline in DW is 178%:

10% Quality vs Quantity
6% Militia Act
5% Swedish Steel
20% Prussian Military Reforms
25% Esprit De Corps
12% Commandant

and you don't have the 20% from military reforms and 5% from swedish steel.

in death and taxes mod quality vs quantity gives you 40% discipline bonus

it gives you -50% manpower though, which is a bitch. Fortunately I have so many regimental centers that it hardly matters.

Ah yes, D&T. Never been much of a mod person myself, especially not D&T.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 13 2011 02:51 GMT
#1446
On November 13 2011 11:44 Pewt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 11:41 Caller wrote:
On November 13 2011 11:28 Pewt wrote:
How do you have 180% discipline? Is it modded? If not, by my calculations the highest possible discipline in DW is 178%:

10% Quality vs Quantity
6% Militia Act
5% Swedish Steel
20% Prussian Military Reforms
25% Esprit De Corps
12% Commandant

and you don't have the 20% from military reforms and 5% from swedish steel.

in death and taxes mod quality vs quantity gives you 40% discipline bonus

it gives you -50% manpower though, which is a bitch. Fortunately I have so many regimental centers that it hardly matters.

Ah yes, D&T. Never been much of a mod person myself, especially not D&T.

I like D&T, because it renames your provinces for you. It's really just DW with a few extra events/nation formations and sengoku japan. Also Spain doesn't completely shit on North Africa, the Ottomans can sort of do things, and ideas are actually a bit more balanced (taking QFTNW requires at least 0 naval, etc.)
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 02:58 GMT
#1447
On November 13 2011 11:51 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 11:44 Pewt wrote:
On November 13 2011 11:41 Caller wrote:
On November 13 2011 11:28 Pewt wrote:
How do you have 180% discipline? Is it modded? If not, by my calculations the highest possible discipline in DW is 178%:

10% Quality vs Quantity
6% Militia Act
5% Swedish Steel
20% Prussian Military Reforms
25% Esprit De Corps
12% Commandant

and you don't have the 20% from military reforms and 5% from swedish steel.

in death and taxes mod quality vs quantity gives you 40% discipline bonus

it gives you -50% manpower though, which is a bitch. Fortunately I have so many regimental centers that it hardly matters.

Ah yes, D&T. Never been much of a mod person myself, especially not D&T.

I like D&T, because it renames your provinces for you. It's really just DW with a few extra events/nation formations and sengoku japan. Also Spain doesn't completely shit on North Africa, the Ottomans can sort of do things, and ideas are actually a bit more balanced (taking QFTNW requires at least 0 naval, etc.)

Meh. I hate the terrible sliders, I hate the terrible NI restrictions, and, being a multiplayer person, I especially hate the overpowered country formations.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 13 2011 03:00 GMT
#1448
implying france isnt op in standard games too
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 03:10 GMT
#1449
On November 13 2011 12:00 turdburgler wrote:
implying france isnt op in standard games too

In multiplayer france is fine. The D&T country formations, on the other hand, add way too many cores.
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
November 13 2011 03:17 GMT
#1450
I'm fairly new to EU3 and I recently started my first campaign as Holland and it's now 1530ish. Everything is going fine, dominating the trade all across the world, got the best tech by several levels in all areas etc.etc but my problem is that I still only have two of the provinces I need to form the Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland), Burgundy holds all the other ones except for Utrecht and since Burgundy is the Emperor and the most military powerful country in the world atm it's going to take some time and planning to get those, my question is about Utrecht.

They are still a sovreign nation but I simply can't get a CB so I can attack them without getting Burgundy on my ass for not having a valid cause to declare war. I've tried getting Utrecht to attack me instead but they simply refuse, any tips on what I can do to annex them?
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 03:19 GMT
#1451
On November 13 2011 12:17 Blondinbengt wrote:
I'm fairly new to EU3 and I recently started my first campaign as Holland and it's now 1530ish. Everything is going fine, dominating the trade all across the world, got the best tech by several levels in all areas etc.etc but my problem is that I still only have two of the provinces I need to form the Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland), Burgundy holds all the other ones except for Utrecht and since Burgundy is the Emperor and the most military powerful country in the world atm it's going to take some time and planning to get those, my question is about Utrecht.

They are still a sovreign nation but I simply can't get a CB so I can attack them without getting Burgundy on my ass for not having a valid cause to declare war. I've tried getting Utrecht to attack me instead but they simply refuse, any tips on what I can do to annex them?

If you're still a TPM a Claims on our Rivals will give you cores on Friesland+Utrecht (the two other provinces you need to form the netherlands) as well as Gelre+Brabant if they still exist (which it sounds like they don't). If not then you'll have to wait for a CB on one of their allies or a mission to vassalize or conquer them. Your best bet is probably to mass colonize and/or play as a naval power until you're stronger than Burgundy.
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
November 13 2011 03:24 GMT
#1452
On November 13 2011 12:19 Pewt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:17 Blondinbengt wrote:
I'm fairly new to EU3 and I recently started my first campaign as Holland and it's now 1530ish. Everything is going fine, dominating the trade all across the world, got the best tech by several levels in all areas etc.etc but my problem is that I still only have two of the provinces I need to form the Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland), Burgundy holds all the other ones except for Utrecht and since Burgundy is the Emperor and the most military powerful country in the world atm it's going to take some time and planning to get those, my question is about Utrecht.

They are still a sovreign nation but I simply can't get a CB so I can attack them without getting Burgundy on my ass for not having a valid cause to declare war. I've tried getting Utrecht to attack me instead but they simply refuse, any tips on what I can do to annex them?

If you're still a TPM a Claims on our Rivals will give you cores on Friesland+Utrecht (the two other provinces you need to form the netherlands) as well as Gelre+Brabant if they still exist (which it sounds like they don't). If not then you'll have to wait for a CB on one of their allies or a mission to vassalize or conquer them. Your best bet is probably to mass colonize and/or play as a naval power until you're stronger than Burgundy.

Would you mind telling me what a TPM is?

That's exactly what is happening, I have about 30 colonies all over the world and I think the 3rd or 4th strongest navy.
The problem is that I only get colonize/discover missions, 100% of the time, for about 50 years now, except for a few ''Make X vote for you as Emperor'' back when I was still Catholic.
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
November 13 2011 03:30 GMT
#1453
On November 13 2011 12:24 Blondinbengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:19 Pewt wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:17 Blondinbengt wrote:
I'm fairly new to EU3 and I recently started my first campaign as Holland and it's now 1530ish. Everything is going fine, dominating the trade all across the world, got the best tech by several levels in all areas etc.etc but my problem is that I still only have two of the provinces I need to form the Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland), Burgundy holds all the other ones except for Utrecht and since Burgundy is the Emperor and the most military powerful country in the world atm it's going to take some time and planning to get those, my question is about Utrecht.

They are still a sovreign nation but I simply can't get a CB so I can attack them without getting Burgundy on my ass for not having a valid cause to declare war. I've tried getting Utrecht to attack me instead but they simply refuse, any tips on what I can do to annex them?

If you're still a TPM a Claims on our Rivals will give you cores on Friesland+Utrecht (the two other provinces you need to form the netherlands) as well as Gelre+Brabant if they still exist (which it sounds like they don't). If not then you'll have to wait for a CB on one of their allies or a mission to vassalize or conquer them. Your best bet is probably to mass colonize and/or play as a naval power until you're stronger than Burgundy.

Would you mind telling me what a TPM is?

That's exactly what is happening, I have about 30 colonies all over the world and I think the 3rd or 4th strongest navy.
The problem is that I only get colonize/discover missions, 100% of the time, for about 50 years now, except for a few ''Make X vote for you as Emperor'' back when I was still Catholic.


TPM is short for "Two-Province Minor" as far as I know.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
November 13 2011 03:34 GMT
#1454
On November 13 2011 12:30 zawk9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:24 Blondinbengt wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:19 Pewt wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:17 Blondinbengt wrote:
I'm fairly new to EU3 and I recently started my first campaign as Holland and it's now 1530ish. Everything is going fine, dominating the trade all across the world, got the best tech by several levels in all areas etc.etc but my problem is that I still only have two of the provinces I need to form the Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland), Burgundy holds all the other ones except for Utrecht and since Burgundy is the Emperor and the most military powerful country in the world atm it's going to take some time and planning to get those, my question is about Utrecht.

They are still a sovreign nation but I simply can't get a CB so I can attack them without getting Burgundy on my ass for not having a valid cause to declare war. I've tried getting Utrecht to attack me instead but they simply refuse, any tips on what I can do to annex them?

If you're still a TPM a Claims on our Rivals will give you cores on Friesland+Utrecht (the two other provinces you need to form the netherlands) as well as Gelre+Brabant if they still exist (which it sounds like they don't). If not then you'll have to wait for a CB on one of their allies or a mission to vassalize or conquer them. Your best bet is probably to mass colonize and/or play as a naval power until you're stronger than Burgundy.

Would you mind telling me what a TPM is?

That's exactly what is happening, I have about 30 colonies all over the world and I think the 3rd or 4th strongest navy.
The problem is that I only get colonize/discover missions, 100% of the time, for about 50 years now, except for a few ''Make X vote for you as Emperor'' back when I was still Catholic.


TPM is short for "Two-Province Minor" as far as I know.

And I assume that refers to a country which has no more than two provinces?
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 03:51:49
November 13 2011 03:46 GMT
#1455
On November 13 2011 12:34 Blondinbengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:30 zawk9 wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:24 Blondinbengt wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:19 Pewt wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:17 Blondinbengt wrote:
I'm fairly new to EU3 and I recently started my first campaign as Holland and it's now 1530ish. Everything is going fine, dominating the trade all across the world, got the best tech by several levels in all areas etc.etc but my problem is that I still only have two of the provinces I need to form the Netherlands (Holland and Zeeland), Burgundy holds all the other ones except for Utrecht and since Burgundy is the Emperor and the most military powerful country in the world atm it's going to take some time and planning to get those, my question is about Utrecht.

They are still a sovreign nation but I simply can't get a CB so I can attack them without getting Burgundy on my ass for not having a valid cause to declare war. I've tried getting Utrecht to attack me instead but they simply refuse, any tips on what I can do to annex them?

If you're still a TPM a Claims on our Rivals will give you cores on Friesland+Utrecht (the two other provinces you need to form the netherlands) as well as Gelre+Brabant if they still exist (which it sounds like they don't). If not then you'll have to wait for a CB on one of their allies or a mission to vassalize or conquer them. Your best bet is probably to mass colonize and/or play as a naval power until you're stronger than Burgundy.

Would you mind telling me what a TPM is?

That's exactly what is happening, I have about 30 colonies all over the world and I think the 3rd or 4th strongest navy.
The problem is that I only get colonize/discover missions, 100% of the time, for about 50 years now, except for a few ''Make X vote for you as Emperor'' back when I was still Catholic.


TPM is short for "Two-Province Minor" as far as I know.

And I assume that refers to a country which has no more than two provinces?

A country with exactly two provinces (a one-province country is an OPM).

Anyhow, with 30+ colonies you should be able to beat Burgundy pretty easily. Just mass manpower buildings, mass up in your homeland territories, and invade. That said, it's not like you have to form the Netherlands.

--

Edit: Oh, something else you can do: Wait until they lose their army somehow, use Support Revolt on their one province until it spawns some peasants/heretics, wait for the rebels to occupy the province and for their owner to be at peace, and then spawn Patriots on the last day of the month. Will work for any Dutch-culture province.

Here's an example with pictures from a tuscany->italy game I played where I only used spies and colonization to expand (and was limited to max. 7 foreign traders and max. the same number of colonies as mainland provinces):

+ Show Spoiler [Wall of Images] +
Step 1: Fund peasants/heretics (ie Support Revolt) everywhere (unfortunately I don't have a SS, but oh well). If their provinces aren't connected you only need to find patriots on >50% of provinces, but if they're connected funding them everywhere will stop them from raising an army.

Step 2: Wait for the peasants/heretics to occupy over half the country.

[image loading]

Step 3: Wait for the country to be at peace if they're at war.

Step 4: A day or two before the end of the month, support patriots in a rebel-occupied province (remember, rebels are noculture!).

[image loading]

(I funded them in a province occupied by peasants so that they didn't try to wander out, and the battle won't end in 2 days usually. However, if I recall correctly in this instance it did, so I had to fund them again elsewhere hence them being in a different place)

Step 5: The country breaks and all rebels get their demands. Patriot rebels demand that every province of your culture defects to you!

[image loading]
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 03:58:28
November 13 2011 03:55 GMT
#1456
I highly doubt I would have any chance of beating Burgundy in a straight up war, currently I have 27000 army size (which is exactly what my land forcelimit is) and around 25k Manpower, Burgundy sits at 110k army size and 130k-ish Manpower, by the time I could even reach their ankles in army size I would have run my economy into the ground.
The problem is that they have the Emperor and they won't be losing that anytime soon (unless there's some event that will happen which I don't know about), combine that with the fact that they own maybe 4/5 of France, large parts of central Germany and northen Italy, and parts of Finland and the baltics for some reason.

The revolt-patriot idea sounds very interesting, I'll have to give that a try.
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 06:27 GMT
#1457
Spam manpower buildings (especially tier 6) and that will be remedied quickly.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 07:19:34
November 13 2011 07:08 GMT
#1458
On November 13 2011 07:42 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 07:32 sermokala wrote:
Wow thanks I'm going to go do that right now.


Yeah no problem.

About the time that Novgorod stops being useful is around the time that Muscowy/the Eastern Hordes catch up to them. I just canceled vassalation, because honestly -- it's not worth protecting them that late into the game. Just let the Hordes wittle them down, let the revolts go crazy and form a bunch of smaller nations, etc. I know it will also be tempting to move into the East for easy provinces, I recommend against it. Low population, basically no money to be gained, no forts -- it's just not worth it. If you want to do it for appearances (IE: Form Prussia with Russian borders or some shit) by all means, there is absolutely reason why you CAN'T do it -- it is probably the easiest strat out there to do. However, pushing West and into Scandinavia potentially is far more profitable.



Another thing: At some point a lot of small german countries will add into your wars for random reason. Use this every time to build up vassals. Vassalisation is 4 inf/country, so you can easily take 3 of them as vassals. Don't attack them for that reason unless austria is the HRE and has no way of reaching you.

Also, in my opinion the most important thing: Get some SoI early on. In my game as TO to form germany (Low aggression, VH difficulty) i think i lost the first 3-4 wars i got in against the Emperor, but i always managed to gain what i wanted from the war beforehand(vassals, land). Then you can just reduce you SoI as soon as they are ready to negotiate at all. So you have gotten what you wanted from the war, and not really lost anything to the emperor. My usual combination of Advisors is MoM/Diplomat/Philosopher.

Also, i didn't find scandinavia really dangerous. Sure, you usually can't reach them, but they also just besiege Gotland and then drop small stacks of guys onto you.

On November 13 2011 12:55 Blondinbengt wrote:
I highly doubt I would have any chance of beating Burgundy in a straight up war, currently I have 27000 army size (which is exactly what my land forcelimit is) and around 25k Manpower, Burgundy sits at 110k army size and 130k-ish Manpower, by the time I could even reach their ankles in army size I would have run my economy into the ground.
The problem is that they have the Emperor and they won't be losing that anytime soon (unless there's some event that will happen which I don't know about), combine that with the fact that they own maybe 4/5 of France, large parts of central Germany and northen Italy, and parts of Finland and the baltics for some reason.

The revolt-patriot idea sounds very interesting, I'll have to give that a try.


You can also try to attack one of their larger allies, and hope that they join into the fight. You could try stealing emperor from Burgundy as a long-term plan by vassalizing electors. You would have to be careful to do so, because you can't do it directly or burgundy will intervene, but if you get any CoB on any of them, use it. And if any of them enters your war for some reason, vassalize them as your highest priority. If you are strong enough, and have a large enough SoI, you could also just Diplo-Vassalize Utrecht and any elector with a monarchic government. Or basically anything monarchic in the HRE.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 13 2011 08:48 GMT
#1459
they really need to rebalance religions, catholic is too op. late game 10% production eff. from prod. is like 2% of your income, controling 5 cardinals can often be 25-30% infamy reduction

that alone in helping your trade while conquesting pays for itself more than being prod -_-.
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
November 13 2011 09:20 GMT
#1460
On November 13 2011 17:48 turdburgler wrote:
they really need to rebalance religions, catholic is too op. late game 10% production eff. from prod. is like 2% of your income, controling 5 cardinals can often be 25-30% infamy reduction

that alone in helping your trade while conquesting pays for itself more than being prod -_-.

10% production or 10% trade efficiency can make a massive difference in income, and if you are somehow limited from expansion then infamy reduction is a lot less appealing (like in multiplayer). In addition, growth means higher tech/stability costs and a bigger pain in the ass to manage.
Prev 1 71 72 73 74 75 101 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
20:00
WardiTV Not-Summer Championshi
SHIN vs RogueLIVE!
ByuN vs Solar
MaxPax vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
WardiTV857
TaKeTV 337
Rex126
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19:00
Weekly #155 (PatchesSC Mod)
herO vs ByuNLIVE!
ByuN391
CranKy Ducklings133
CranKy Ducklings SOOP10
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 391
Rex 126
Codebar 45
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5431
Rain 1856
Shuttle 1753
Soulkey 1335
BeSt 687
Light 511
Mini 482
Hyuk 293
firebathero 270
actioN 196
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 162
Last 150
ZerO 142
hero 131
Killer 130
Mind 125
Zeus 112
Snow 97
Pusan 87
Barracks 85
Larva 66
Hyun 66
Sea.KH 44
sorry 38
Mong 32
PianO 30
Free 28
ToSsGirL 27
Sharp 27
Aegong 22
JYJ 21
HiyA 20
Hm[arnc] 18
910 18
soO 15
scan(afreeca) 12
yabsab 12
Sacsri 11
NaDa 4
Dota 2
Gorgc6746
monkeys_forever204
XcaliburYe192
Counter-Strike
x6flipin395
Other Games
FrodaN3091
singsing2048
B2W.Neo413
Happy329
XaKoH 184
ToD181
KnowMe129
ZerO(Twitch)13
CosmosSc2 12
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 705
IntoTheiNu 612
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 13
[ Show 9 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
IPSL
4h 17m
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
7h 17m
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
SOOP
21h 17m
soO vs FanTaSy
WardiTV Weekly
23h 17m
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs StRyKeR
Cross vs JDConan
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
IEM Kraków 2027
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.