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On October 25 2011 21:44 Candadar wrote:
Alright, I need ideas.
Am Spain. Have the entire East Coast of America into slightly past the Mississippi, the Caribbean, and the east coast of northern South America colonized. Year is 1540. What now? Where should I go next?
attack to ming and take macau and some nearby provinces which produces chinaware, then attack to southern border of your lands at ming and vassalize 1-2 asian country so you can have some protection in that area without spending too much resources to defend also dont have to bother with that area much because AI often declare war at you for religious liberation even though their tech is so shitty that your 10k muskeeters can crush down any asian army regardless of any attirition but still why spend any money while you can vassalize 1-2 asian neighbours to protect those lands 
after you establish a good chunk of land at ming, i suggest you defeat the barbary pirates for bonuses, or attack to baltic/balkan and vassalize some nice country and take the rich parts of the area. you have many options
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CHEATERS! Playing nations like England, Castille, France, Austria, Bohemia, Muscovy... I am disappointed in you all. If you're asking for help as one of those nations you don't deserve help.
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On October 25 2011 22:22 Caller wrote:
CHEATERS! Playing nations like England, Castille, France, Austria, Bohemia, Muscovy... I am disappointed in you all. If you're asking for help as one of those nations you don't deserve help.
Just because I can take over the world with Bavaria and form Germany (which I have done, on Hard) does not mean that I always want to do it
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On October 25 2011 11:59 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 06:44 Zuxo wrote:On October 25 2011 06:25 Skilledblob wrote:On October 25 2011 06:10 Zuxo wrote:On October 24 2011 07:33 Skilledblob wrote:On October 24 2011 07:18 Zuxo wrote:
Watching this thread make me realize how bad I am lol ^^.
By the way does manpower-buildings (and manpower in general) like armories increase your forcefield-limit? my brain had to wrap around the forcefields first but I think what you are looking for is bonus to force limit. The buildings you can build in the military tree do not increase that afaik. They increase the reinforcements you can see at the top left corner of your screen. To increase your maximum army size you have to conquer new provinces, get vassals or to the national idea which gives you 33% higher army limit. Ok thanks! =). Haha and i totally missed that I wrote forcefieldlimit instead of forcelimit lol ^^. Also I am going to play Europa on a lan this friday with some of my friends with Muscowy. I played with them before at home but got owned by Bohemia in the end, anyone got any tips? well Muscowy is in another technology group so you are always in a disadvantage if you want to fight Bohemia even though it is not a big disadvantage What you can do is form Russia as fast as possible which should be around 1500 or 1450 depending on your luck. And then you should go straight for westernization after that you have a chance to get him. Of course you can try to outnumber Bohemia but they tend to be the emperor of the HRE so that should be tough. Yeah I know I should form Russia but how do I do it so fast? It took me like 200 years before I could form it (Novgorod allied with Lituhenia -.-). And yeah I have a pretty bad experience fighting Bohemia when I lost my 300 year long game with Russia/Muscowy. Bohemia started attacking me (I had no idea being the emperor made you that strong lol) when I had -3 stability and just laughed as he took 20 provinces within a year. if you are playing a 1v1 lan game then him starting as bohemia is pretty bm. a human player has no reason to ever lose control of the imperial crown and using inheritance and imperial ban he can expand with cores through most of europe pretty quickly -_-. if you 'must' play a russian nation, perhaps you could agree for neither of you to play a major country. tbh playing a game as the emperor is pretty boring as no one is ever a threat to you, and it only gets easier
Yeah I know. I played against the computer Bohemia though (I should stop typing in this thread when I am about to go and sleep to avoid confusion, sry -.-) and still got my ass kicked haha =).
I am going to try and play a game with Muscowy now thanks for all the help from everyone! =)
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On October 25 2011 22:27 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 22:22 Caller wrote:
CHEATERS! Playing nations like England, Castille, France, Austria, Bohemia, Muscovy... I am disappointed in you all. If you're asking for help as one of those nations you don't deserve help. Just because I can take over the world with Bavaria and form Germany (which I have done, on Hard) does not mean that I always want to do it
Bavaria real hard in HRE surrounded by same culture omnomnom opms try forming with theocracy until tech 17 avignon
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On October 25 2011 03:31 Caller wrote:
that's because in reality the distance between the two is very small. Basically, most people "cheat" and start the game in 1405 or so where you have some more Greek provinces. I started in 1399 though because this is hardcore shit. Basically just wait for the Ottomans to get involved in a major war, declare war on them, make a large cavalry stack and just have them chill in konstantinopolis while the Ottomans suicide into your cavalry and die. Meanwhile spam rebels in all the Greek provinces and try to keep the Ottoman army to the East. With luck more people will DoW them, causing provinces to defect and shit.
I also started in 1399 on hard in the D&T mod, I did it differently though I attacked Candar in the first turn and Karaman would come to their aid, I annexed them so I had a nice foothold in Turkey created an army and just waited for ottomans to have a war and then declare war on them to take a couple more provinces. After that I was as big as ottomans so by then you can basically own them :p. I don't really use spies or something though makes stuff to easy ^^.
Your tactic looks nice too though.
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On October 25 2011 23:46 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 03:31 Caller wrote:
that's because in reality the distance between the two is very small. Basically, most people "cheat" and start the game in 1405 or so where you have some more Greek provinces. I started in 1399 though because this is hardcore shit. Basically just wait for the Ottomans to get involved in a major war, declare war on them, make a large cavalry stack and just have them chill in konstantinopolis while the Ottomans suicide into your cavalry and die. Meanwhile spam rebels in all the Greek provinces and try to keep the Ottoman army to the East. With luck more people will DoW them, causing provinces to defect and shit. I also started in 1399 on hard in the D&T mod, I did it differently though I attacked Candar in the first turn and Karaman would come to their aid, I annexed them so I had a nice foothold in Turkey created an army and just waited for ottomans to have a war and then declare war on them to take a couple more provinces. After that I was as big as ottomans so by then you can basically own them :p. I don't really use spies or something though makes stuff to easy ^^. Your tactic looks nice too though.
to be fair rebels spawn pretty often once you force ottoman war exhaustion high enough. I just use spies to speed up the process, and also on the off chance that they wander into Venician or whoever's territory they will be able to capture it and hold it.
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On October 25 2011 23:46 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 22:27 Candadar wrote:On October 25 2011 22:22 Caller wrote:
CHEATERS! Playing nations like England, Castille, France, Austria, Bohemia, Muscovy... I am disappointed in you all. If you're asking for help as one of those nations you don't deserve help. Just because I can take over the world with Bavaria and form Germany (which I have done, on Hard) does not mean that I always want to do it Bavaria real hard in HRE surrounded by same culture omnomnom opms try forming with theocracy until tech 17 avignon
How about conquering France as Bourbonnaise? Taking over the northern coast of Africa and Iberian Peninsula with Ethiopia?
Sometimes just sitting back and lolling over everything with Spain, Great Britain, or whatever is just something fun to do *shrug*
EDIT: Pro tip to people wanting to do Byzatium. You start with a larger navy than the Ottomans. Wait for their army to be on Asia Minor, move your navy out, declare, and take over the Balkans from them with absolutely no resistance. Then you can wait it out for 5-10 years and settle for taking all of that land. I'd build an extra Galley or two for good measure if you're really scared of Algiers coming to help them, but you should be good.
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I just finished a game as the Teutonic Knights.
I ended up with all of Russia, Finland, half of India, all of the Arabian Peninsula (spreading christianity to Mecca and Medina was fun), half of China, and small pockets in central and Western Europe.
It took forever to finally find a break from my bigger neighbors to finally get to expand. I was disappointed I couldn't form anything other than Prussia during my game. Wanted to become the Arab League or Russia or something. = (
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On October 25 2011 22:27 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 22:22 Caller wrote:
CHEATERS! Playing nations like England, Castille, France, Austria, Bohemia, Muscovy... I am disappointed in you all. If you're asking for help as one of those nations you don't deserve help. Just because I can take over the world with Bavaria and form Germany (which I have done, on Hard) does not mean that I always want to do it
implying bavaria isnt also a regional superpower ;d
On October 26 2011 00:45 Corrik wrote:
I just finished a game as the Teutonic Knights.
I ended up with all of Russia, Finland, half of India, all of the Arabian Peninsula (spreading christianity to Mecca and Medina was fun), half of China, and small pockets in central and Western Europe.
It took forever to finally find a break from my bigger neighbors to finally get to expand. I was disappointed I couldn't form anything other than Prussia during my game. Wanted to become the Arab League or Russia or something. = (
move capitol > culture shift > new national decisions
On October 25 2011 23:03 Zuxo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 11:59 turdburgler wrote:On October 25 2011 06:44 Zuxo wrote:On October 25 2011 06:25 Skilledblob wrote:On October 25 2011 06:10 Zuxo wrote:On October 24 2011 07:33 Skilledblob wrote:On October 24 2011 07:18 Zuxo wrote:
Watching this thread make me realize how bad I am lol ^^.
By the way does manpower-buildings (and manpower in general) like armories increase your forcefield-limit? my brain had to wrap around the forcefields first but I think what you are looking for is bonus to force limit. The buildings you can build in the military tree do not increase that afaik. They increase the reinforcements you can see at the top left corner of your screen. To increase your maximum army size you have to conquer new provinces, get vassals or to the national idea which gives you 33% higher army limit. Ok thanks! =). Haha and i totally missed that I wrote forcefieldlimit instead of forcelimit lol ^^. Also I am going to play Europa on a lan this friday with some of my friends with Muscowy. I played with them before at home but got owned by Bohemia in the end, anyone got any tips? well Muscowy is in another technology group so you are always in a disadvantage if you want to fight Bohemia even though it is not a big disadvantage What you can do is form Russia as fast as possible which should be around 1500 or 1450 depending on your luck. And then you should go straight for westernization after that you have a chance to get him. Of course you can try to outnumber Bohemia but they tend to be the emperor of the HRE so that should be tough. Yeah I know I should form Russia but how do I do it so fast? It took me like 200 years before I could form it (Novgorod allied with Lituhenia -.-). And yeah I have a pretty bad experience fighting Bohemia when I lost my 300 year long game with Russia/Muscowy. Bohemia started attacking me (I had no idea being the emperor made you that strong lol) when I had -3 stability and just laughed as he took 20 provinces within a year. if you are playing a 1v1 lan game then him starting as bohemia is pretty bm. a human player has no reason to ever lose control of the imperial crown and using inheritance and imperial ban he can expand with cores through most of europe pretty quickly -_-. if you 'must' play a russian nation, perhaps you could agree for neither of you to play a major country. tbh playing a game as the emperor is pretty boring as no one is ever a threat to you, and it only gets easier Yeah I know. I played against the computer Bohemia though (I should stop typing in this thread when I am about to go and sleep to avoid confusion, sry -.-) and still got my ass kicked haha =). I am going to try and play a game with Muscowy now thanks for all the help from everyone! =)
beating computer bohemia is ezpz. as emp it normally expands pretty well to the east but eventually it will over extend itself and get into a 4 or 5 nation conflict and get raped, then you just jump on the bandwagon, even if you have to take stab hits, and cripple them. if you want to be a real dick occupy its country then just sit on it, it will be in such bad shape it wont answer any calls from hre countries and will lose all authority and i think trust too, then another country will get elected pretty quickly
On October 25 2011 21:44 Candadar wrote:
Alright, I need ideas.
Am Spain. Have the entire East Coast of America into slightly past the Mississippi, the Caribbean, and the east coast of northern South America colonized. Year is 1540. What now? Where should I go next?
the secret to wealth is CoTs. venizia lubeck and constantinople are often the richest. holy war ottomans mamuluks and normally oman to take constantblahblah, mecca and judea for riches and the bonus's. take a few indian provinces for east indian trade company (another sick bonus) war sweden and ottomans (again) for trade route bonus's (tolls). invade austria, move capitol culture shift then either join hre or form germany. so much to do so little time
or invade france for the wine, egypt for the salt africa for more slaves. gotta catch all those trade bonus's pokemon style
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cUaZH.png)
my spain game, bearing in mind im up about 50 years behind where i would be, got stuck in an endless war with portugal and england because i have no navy x). i also overestimated the need for max military maintance, turns out you can play just fine with it at about 50% meaning i had serious money troubles early game fielding my army across 3 areas.
things to note, dat portugal, dat finland and england doing just fine for 200 years then falling apart, releasing ireland and scotland about 10 years after becoming GBR.
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Pro tip for people wanting to Colonize the Western Hemisphere: Take the Azores and whatnot, but bum rush towards the East Coast or the Caribbean. Take at least one or two territories from the Maya and the Creek. The Creek/Shawnee will have a single territory where Georgia would be in the States, so you can just run in there when you get the QftNW, take it over, and then core it, and Colonize all of America essentially from there instead of waiting to core the Azores, and then core the Bahama's, and so forth.
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On October 26 2011 00:51 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 00:45 Corrik wrote:
I just finished a game as the Teutonic Knights.
I ended up with all of Russia, Finland, half of India, all of the Arabian Peninsula (spreading christianity to Mecca and Medina was fun), half of China, and small pockets in central and Western Europe.
It took forever to finally find a break from my bigger neighbors to finally get to expand. I was disappointed I couldn't form anything other than Prussia during my game. Wanted to become the Arab League or Russia or something. = ( move capitol > culture shift > new national decisions
I didn't know moving the capital changed that. Damn... I want to replay it all again now... lol
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On October 26 2011 01:01 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 00:51 turdburgler wrote:On October 26 2011 00:45 Corrik wrote:
I just finished a game as the Teutonic Knights.
I ended up with all of Russia, Finland, half of India, all of the Arabian Peninsula (spreading christianity to Mecca and Medina was fun), half of China, and small pockets in central and Western Europe.
It took forever to finally find a break from my bigger neighbors to finally get to expand. I was disappointed I couldn't form anything other than Prussia during my game. Wanted to become the Arab League or Russia or something. = ( move capitol > culture shift > new national decisions I didn't know moving the capital changed that. Damn... I want to replay it all again now... lol
unless TO is special (it is in some situations) thats how you normally do it iirc.
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Alright, I'm up for a new challenge after I just finished up that Bourbonnais game. I want to play The Knights. I was thinking of being a trading power and blasting my tech through the roof for about a hundred and fifty years, then fucking up what I can of the Middle East and Northern Africa, and after I can raise my force limits a bit and whatnot, perhaps open my own CoT, invade Italy.
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This might seem dumb, but how do you collect tariffs? I assumed it was by controlling the water ways in which other ships passed through. Is that not correct? My last game I finished with 0 money collected through tariffs.
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On October 26 2011 01:22 Corrik wrote:
This might seem dumb, but how do you collect tariffs? I assumed it was by controlling the water ways in which other ships passed through. Is that not correct? My last game I finished with 0 money collected through tariffs.
tarrifs are the production income from 'distant overseas provinces' a set distance from your captitol if there is no direct land connection that you own, for example if you look at the game map i linked, judea is distant for me because i have no land bridge to it that i own, but turkey isnt as even though its overseas, its not distant.
the modifiers are slightly different but the main factor is the number of big ships you have, you need 1 big ship for every overseas province to give you 100% tarrif income. you can scroll over the number in game to get a detailed list of other modifiers
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Aight. Makes sense then. Basically my entire empire was connected via land... besides like... Gotland... haha.
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On October 26 2011 01:22 Corrik wrote:
This might seem dumb, but how do you collect tariffs? I assumed it was by controlling the water ways in which other ships passed through. Is that not correct? My last game I finished with 0 money collected through tariffs.
you get tariffs from colonies. Basically tariffs are the same as taxes just for colonies.
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Looking through this thread some, most of you are all on a different expansion than me. You seem to be on DW or HttT... I'm only on In Nomine. = (
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On October 26 2011 00:45 Corrik wrote:
I just finished a game as the Teutonic Knights.
I ended up with all of Russia, Finland, half of India, all of the Arabian Peninsula (spreading christianity to Mecca and Medina was fun), half of China, and small pockets in central and Western Europe.
It took forever to finally find a break from my bigger neighbors to finally get to expand. I was disappointed I couldn't form anything other than Prussia during my game. Wanted to become the Arab League or Russia or something. = (
You can form Prussia and Germany.
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