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On October 24 2011 07:33 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:18 Zuxo wrote:
Watching this thread make me realize how bad I am lol ^^.
By the way does manpower-buildings (and manpower in general) like armories increase your forcefield-limit? my brain had to wrap around the forcefields first but I think what you are looking for is bonus to force limit. The buildings you can build in the military tree do not increase that afaik. They increase the reinforcements you can see at the top left corner of your screen. To increase your maximum army size you have to conquer new provinces, get vassals or to the national idea which gives you 33% higher army limit.
Also higher levels of forts increase the force limit, just as the higher level naval buildings increase the naval force limits 
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yes forgot that one, but I doubt that anybody would waste the precious level 5 and 6 buildings on fortresses, well at least not against the AI
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On October 24 2011 08:52 Skilledblob wrote:
yes forgot that one, but I doubt that anybody would waste the precious level 5 and 6 buildings on fortresses, well at least not against the AI
3 and 4 give force limits as well.
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, as far as I know there's no combat penalty for being above your forcelimit, it only increases your maintenance costs by a fuckton.
So if you've got a good economy, you can try to finish your war as fast as possible with your "too large" army, and then disband down to your forcelimit again once peace is negotiated.
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On October 24 2011 10:02 beef42 wrote:
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, as far as I know there's no combat penalty for being above your forcelimit, it only increases your maintenance costs by a fuckton.
So if you've got a good economy, you can try to finish your war as fast as possible with your "too large" army, and then disband down to your forcelimit again once peace is negotiated.
Sure. Go go trade empire!
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On October 24 2011 10:02 beef42 wrote:
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, as far as I know there's no combat penalty for being above your forcelimit, it only increases your maintenance costs by a fuckton.
So if you've got a good economy, you can try to finish your war as fast as possible with your "too large" army, and then disband down to your forcelimit again once peace is negotiated.
you also suffer attrition for being over the force imit, raping your manpower.
theres no point disbanding an army when the war is over, you will just need to pay to remake the army later, turn the maintenance down to 0 and it doesnt cost you anything(?) to keep them alive, and enough of them will die off that you will stop suffering attrition even with a large stack.
does anyone know to what extent the computer cheats on harder difficulties? ottomans fielding a 40k strong stack after getting smashed by mamuluks was kinda of a shock. its possible they could afford it, just not so soon after conceding defeat in another war.
also does anyone know how the death and taxes mod changes peace treaties? (it could also be 5.1 patch as i downloaded them both at the same time) in normal 5.0 the computer seemed to follow warscore values pretty rigidly, but now the computer will never surrender until its main death stack has been crushed, but will then give up > than the warscore says it should. probably a better system overall, just annoying more than anything.
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On October 24 2011 12:32 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 10:02 beef42 wrote:
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, as far as I know there's no combat penalty for being above your forcelimit, it only increases your maintenance costs by a fuckton.
So if you've got a good economy, you can try to finish your war as fast as possible with your "too large" army, and then disband down to your forcelimit again once peace is negotiated. you also suffer attrition for being over the force imit, raping your manpower. theres no point disbanding an army when the war is over, you will just need to pay to remake the army later, turn the maintenance down to 0 and it doesnt cost you anything(?) to keep them alive, and enough of them will die off that you will stop suffering attrition even with a large stack. does anyone know to what extent the computer cheats on harder difficulties? ottomans fielding a 40k strong stack after getting smashed by mamuluks was kinda of a shock. its possible they could afford it, just not so soon after conceding defeat in another war. also does anyone know how the death and taxes mod changes peace treaties? (it could also be 5.1 patch as i downloaded them both at the same time) in normal 5.0 the computer seemed to follow warscore values pretty rigidly, but now the computer will never surrender until its main death stack has been crushed, but will then give up > than the warscore says it should. probably a better system overall, just annoying more than anything.
you don't suffer attrition for being above force limit, its only if you try moving huge doomstacks around-which typically happens when you have above force limit-that it becomes an issue.
I personally keep my military at full maintenance at all times, just because you never know when you will need it-opportunity is one of the most important things to rely on . Besides which, I tend to keep my standing army a little under my force limit unless I am at war, in which case I tend to add troops.
At higher difficulties the computer gets mucho more money. like obscene amounts of money, so they can create new stacks fairly quickly if you give them time. This is why you need to drive up their war exhaustion, so it will take them longer (MUCH LONGER) to rebuild their army. So while they could definitely spam mercenaries it would be hard for them to rebuild.
Death and Taxes Mod AFAIK doesn't change peace treaties at all. Peace is based off of four things:
a) War Capacity, aka how many troops do they have
b) War Exhaustion
c) How many other wars they are fighting
d) War Score
A high war score lets you have a lot of demands, (up to war score + 10, at most 100) but the problem is if the enemy is fighting just you and has no or little war exhaustion he's nto going to give up that easily. Smashing armies, occupying core provinces, blockading ports, stuff like that all drives up war exhaustion and the like. They will eventually give in.
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On October 24 2011 13:30 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 12:32 turdburgler wrote:On October 24 2011 10:02 beef42 wrote:
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, as far as I know there's no combat penalty for being above your forcelimit, it only increases your maintenance costs by a fuckton.
So if you've got a good economy, you can try to finish your war as fast as possible with your "too large" army, and then disband down to your forcelimit again once peace is negotiated. you also suffer attrition for being over the force imit, raping your manpower. theres no point disbanding an army when the war is over, you will just need to pay to remake the army later, turn the maintenance down to 0 and it doesnt cost you anything(?) to keep them alive, and enough of them will die off that you will stop suffering attrition even with a large stack. does anyone know to what extent the computer cheats on harder difficulties? ottomans fielding a 40k strong stack after getting smashed by mamuluks was kinda of a shock. its possible they could afford it, just not so soon after conceding defeat in another war. also does anyone know how the death and taxes mod changes peace treaties? (it could also be 5.1 patch as i downloaded them both at the same time) in normal 5.0 the computer seemed to follow warscore values pretty rigidly, but now the computer will never surrender until its main death stack has been crushed, but will then give up > than the warscore says it should. probably a better system overall, just annoying more than anything. you don't suffer attrition for being above force limit, its only if you try moving huge doomstacks around-which typically happens when you have above force limit-that it becomes an issue. I personally keep my military at full maintenance at all times, just because you never know when you will need it-opportunity is one of the most important things to rely on . Besides which, I tend to keep my standing army a little under my force limit unless I am at war, in which case I tend to add troops. At higher difficulties the computer gets mucho more money. like obscene amounts of money, so they can create new stacks fairly quickly if you give them time. This is why you need to drive up their war exhaustion, so it will take them longer (MUCH LONGER) to rebuild their army. So while they could definitely spam mercenaries it would be hard for them to rebuild. Death and Taxes Mod AFAIK doesn't change peace treaties at all. Peace is based off of four things: a) War Capacity, aka how many troops do they have b) War Exhaustion c) How many other wars they are fighting d) War Score A high war score lets you have a lot of demands, (up to war score + 10, at most 100) but the problem is if the enemy is fighting just you and has no or little war exhaustion he's nto going to give up that easily. Smashing armies, occupying core provinces, blockading ports, stuff like that all drives up war exhaustion and the like. They will eventually give in.
I played as France just now on very hard difficulty with some other factors slowing me down making it interesting. Either way when trying to take back the lands from England (they had also taken Bearn and Nevarra) the war went on for about 50 years. Occupying their provinces costed them no war exhaustion, while I was on a constant 15+ just from the fighting.
Even with 40 war score and their whole army dead they didn't want to give up a single province.
I think there might be an extra factor when playing England that they get much more submissive when you've occupied territories on their island.
The only way to do it is to find a peace offer where it says that their population would be angry if they don't accept the peace, but that they won't accept. Then they lose a stability point. Keep on doing that until they're down -3 and they'll accept anything based on the war score.
Also to semi answer the turd about the correlation of war score and peace treaties.
Basically if the AI knows it's completely fucked, basically if the army's gone and they've got high war score, occupied provinces and possibly a lack of money and / or high inflation they will give you anything that costs as much as your war score +10. However you can never go over 100 points in the peace treaty, so a war score of 90 and a submissive AI is all you need for a complete victory.
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On October 24 2011 07:33 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:18 Zuxo wrote:
Watching this thread make me realize how bad I am lol ^^.
By the way does manpower-buildings (and manpower in general) like armories increase your forcefield-limit? my brain had to wrap around the forcefields first but I think what you are looking for is bonus to force limit. The buildings you can build in the military tree do not increase that afaik. They increase the reinforcements you can see at the top left corner of your screen. To increase your maximum army size you have to conquer new provinces, get vassals or to the national idea which gives you 33% higher army limit.
Conscription Centres give +5 to force limit though.
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Peace deal discussion:
The AI places some emphasis on War Score, but more on War Capacity, which is basically a measure of who is likely to win the war. It's a measure of a lot of things, such as active forces, manpower, occupied provinces, stability, war exhaustion etc. In the case of England, if you have a higher WE than it and clearly cannot occupy more than one or two provinces they aren't particularly quick to hand anything over to you. On the other hand, if you happened to have 10x more men than them and many more provinces they'd probably cede you nearly everything you wanted after occupying just one or two provinces thanks to the fact that they'd inevitably have 0% WC.
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On October 24 2011 19:19 Pewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:33 Skilledblob wrote:On October 24 2011 07:18 Zuxo wrote:
Watching this thread make me realize how bad I am lol ^^.
By the way does manpower-buildings (and manpower in general) like armories increase your forcefield-limit? my brain had to wrap around the forcefields first but I think what you are looking for is bonus to force limit. The buildings you can build in the military tree do not increase that afaik. They increase the reinforcements you can see at the top left corner of your screen. To increase your maximum army size you have to conquer new provinces, get vassals or to the national idea which gives you 33% higher army limit. Conscription Centres give +5 to force limit though. -- Peace deal discussion: The AI places some emphasis on War Score, but more on War Capacity, which is basically a measure of who is likely to win the war. It's a measure of a lot of things, such as active forces, manpower, occupied provinces, stability, war exhaustion etc. In the case of England, if you have a higher WE than it and clearly cannot occupy more than one or two provinces they aren't particularly quick to hand anything over to you. On the other hand, if you happened to have 10x more men than them and many more provinces they'd probably cede you nearly everything you wanted after occupying just one or two provinces thanks to the fact that they'd inevitably have 0% WC.
Well in my England example they had 5 cored territories.
Edit. And I had killed their full army like 10 times. I had a spy up to see how much they had at home, and they sent over stacks of 25, got smashed and still only were ok with giving up one province. Also they got like no WE.
I was playing on the no time limit mod. I have a feeling it might screw something up when it comes to WE because my opponents are almost always on very low WE even when it's going badly for them. Only when they're like 50% occupied it start skyrocketing, while I get huge amounts every time I just fight.
Edit2. Might just be the very hard settings though.
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Also the richer the province (tax value) the more it adds to overall force limit (iirc).
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lets have some fun :D
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I've started playing around with my game files, greatly increasing the likelyhood of seeing revolutionary countries later in the game. I'm a sucker for Rev France as you might've noticed ^_^
Does anyone know if it's possible to activate two mods at once?
Edit. Actually come to think of it, it greatly increases large and well managed countries to revolt. The emperor of HRE is basically fucked ^_^
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On October 24 2011 20:30 Reyis wrote:lets have some fun :D
could be worse, could pick france or austria (assuming no bohemia player) or bohemia and just fuck you up in the first 10 seconds :D
In d&t castille is actually a 'reletively' weak country. all the north african countries seemed to be buffed so until you inherit aragon you are pretty damn poor
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On October 24 2011 21:06 turdburgler wrote:could be worse, could pick france or austria (assuming no bohemia player) or bohemia and just fuck you up in the first 10 seconds :D In d&t castille is actually a 'reletively' weak country. all the north african countries seemed to be buffed so until you inherit aragon you are pretty damn poor
Never played D&T. Is it any fun? I'm kind of waiting for that whole world mod you pointed me to earlier to be updated, cuz that's gonna be awesome ^^
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its an improvement over standard game imo, buffs england and some eastern countries etc etc.
more missions and events aswell
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Death and Taxes is absolutely amazing. Definitely worth playing it, even if just for Byzantium.
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On October 24 2011 23:08 turdburgler wrote:
its an improvement over standard game imo, buffs england and some eastern countries etc etc.
more missions and events aswell
why would England need a buff? England only fails because of the Highland event of Scotland from time to time.
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On October 24 2011 20:22 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 19:19 Pewt wrote:On October 24 2011 07:33 Skilledblob wrote:On October 24 2011 07:18 Zuxo wrote:
Watching this thread make me realize how bad I am lol ^^.
By the way does manpower-buildings (and manpower in general) like armories increase your forcefield-limit? my brain had to wrap around the forcefields first but I think what you are looking for is bonus to force limit. The buildings you can build in the military tree do not increase that afaik. They increase the reinforcements you can see at the top left corner of your screen. To increase your maximum army size you have to conquer new provinces, get vassals or to the national idea which gives you 33% higher army limit. Conscription Centres give +5 to force limit though. -- Peace deal discussion: The AI places some emphasis on War Score, but more on War Capacity, which is basically a measure of who is likely to win the war. It's a measure of a lot of things, such as active forces, manpower, occupied provinces, stability, war exhaustion etc. In the case of England, if you have a higher WE than it and clearly cannot occupy more than one or two provinces they aren't particularly quick to hand anything over to you. On the other hand, if you happened to have 10x more men than them and many more provinces they'd probably cede you nearly everything you wanted after occupying just one or two provinces thanks to the fact that they'd inevitably have 0% WC. Well in my England example they had 5 cored territories. Edit. And I had killed their full army like 10 times. I had a spy up to see how much they had at home, and they sent over stacks of 25, got smashed and still only were ok with giving up one province. Also they got like no WE. I was playing on the no time limit mod. I have a feeling it might screw something up when it comes to WE because my opponents are almost always on very low WE even when it's going badly for them. Only when they're like 50% occupied it start skyrocketing, while I get huge amounts every time I just fight. Edit2. Might just be the very hard settings though.
Generally, an important point is always the capital. If you can occupy an enemy capital, they almost certainly soon will give in to +10 demands. However, if, like in the case of england, they don't feel like you can threaten their island in any way, why should they give in to your demands? It is also not something special with England, it works like that for every other country too. It just happens that England is always an island with only a few mainland territories.
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On October 25 2011 00:08 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 23:08 turdburgler wrote:
its an improvement over standard game imo, buffs england and some eastern countries etc etc.
more missions and events aswell why would England need a buff? England only fails because of the Highland event of Scotland from time to time.
I dunno. I'm playing a game in 1750 or so and they havn't even touched scotland so far ^_^
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