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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11928 Posts
August 16 2011 09:54 GMT
#861
I also have got a question. Is there any trick in getting the HRE provinces to vote for your reforms, or do you really have to have good relations with all those 30 OPMs, have low infamy and make them have your religion? Is there a good way to increase your relations, because with those 5-6 diplomats a year it takes forever. I already married nearly every single country (I am seriously astonished as to how many royal siblings i seem to have) Or should i just abandon all hope to ever get those reforms done and form the empire as a nation and go conquer france or something like that? So far, only the first reform has been passed, and that was by the former emperor. And we already have the year 1530. I am at full imperial power, but i don't want to waste it again, i already tried to pass the second reform twice without any success.

Being emperor and having about half of the empire as my vassals makes me able to win wars against almost anyone, but i still only have very few provinces since you cannot ever conquer anything inside the empire.
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 10:03:37
August 16 2011 10:00 GMT
#862
it's administrative republic i believe
the thing about wars is that if they last long and they include a lot of fighting, your war exhaustion goes up, which shows you more vulnerable to your rivals, making them more prone to attack you
war exhaustion also increases chances of revolt

and you can always change your government type

HRE reforms

idk really, but i usually manage to get them, i don't attack withotu reasons, i have many vassals (since it's the best way to get your authority up), but in the end it's still a coin toss, reforms should pass if your'e strong enough, have enough vassals, and you actually have more than 0 relations

sometimes you get random events that can increase relations with your neighbours, otherwise you're stuck to raising it with diplomats on the plus side, if you're below 100, it raises on it's own
Imagine a place where the Alps meet the Mediterranean, where you can pick autumn fruits in the morning, bathe in the Adriatic in the afternoon, and go night skiing in the evening…It’s Slovenia!
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 16 2011 10:20 GMT
#863
when I played Austria I didnt have a problem with getting the reforms done. All I did was I pretty much never fought inside the HRE and always defended the HRE minors when they were attacked.

There really is not much else to it. If the reforms pass is a dice roll. Especially the later reforms can take some tries.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 16 2011 15:39 GMT
#864
someone up for multiplayer?

I'd like to start a session in around 2 - 2.5 hours
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
August 16 2011 15:42 GMT
#865
I'll probably join and play a bit if my forum-mates arent playing.

If we are playing, you're welcome to join us
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 15:46:31
August 16 2011 15:46 GMT
#866
ye I'd like to, just tell me when
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 22:40:10
August 16 2011 22:38 GMT
#867
Here's on global screenshots of a singleplayer spain game I played for fun

1557:
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1634:
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1675:
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Yes, Prussia inherited the throne of Sweden, and yes that big green guy near the Black Sea is miraculously Moldavia.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10924 Posts
August 17 2011 01:19 GMT
#868
Just had a war...

Switzerland + Vassals (Urbina, Papal State, Lorraine...vs.. Well Europe... And Rebells, everywhere (war started when i was at -3 stabilty).

Well, i had to cede/lost 3 provinces but gained 4-5 others (losing provinces to uprisings... grml).

I'm BIG... and MIGHTY :D...
Pieismyign
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States176 Posts
August 19 2011 23:37 GMT
#869
man. my game is kinda in a standstill. austria never gets drawn into a war with a superpower like castille or france. i need a province they have to form germany. Right now im sitting here for like years....waiting and waiting and waiting.... i think i'm going to have to quit my brandenburg campaign. D:
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 20 2011 02:29 GMT
#870
Started my third game as Teutonic Order and am currently completely owning. I lose 2.70 infamy per year, so the only problem is that my people get tired. At the beginning, I was allied with...those on the Russian territory but they proved completely useless. Whenever I had the chance to get a core province via mission, I did so. Bohemia and Poland got smaller over time, they were fighting each other as well. Lithuania was always together with Poland and later with Sweden. Sweden and my former allies were fighting from time to time. Denmark got Norway at some point but lost it when Austria and I went to war against them. Austria was a pretty cool partner and together we fought Poland, Bohemia, Hungary, Lithuania, Sweden until they were unable to really do anything. The Golden Horde was always pushing from the other side as well. Eventually I started to go westwards, as did Austria. At some point, the problem was that they had influence everywhere and they were appointed as emperors which made it impossible for provinces of mine to leave the HRE. So, eventually, I had to drop them and after I while, I found France as a new ally. They are the second strongest(after me) but so far they didn't help me at all(not that I needed it). I actually fought against France several times before(together with Austria) which always ended in a draw/minor loss for Austria. At the moment, I'm swallowing all the provinces in Middle Europe and will go to West Europe soon. I actually had to vassalize one because he colonized somewhere. Then I annexed him and sold the other provinces to France for 0 gold. It's still 100 years to go and I should be able to take Munster, Holland etc. Austria is a pain in the ass because they always field ~100 troops. It's not really a problem but it takes too much time. And I always have to avoid dragging Hungary/Poland/Lithuania/Sweden into a war. They aren't strong themselves but together it could be pretty annoying.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 03:25:34
August 20 2011 03:25 GMT
#871
Me and a couple of friends are going to start a sustained game of EU3 divine wind tomorrow (saturday)

We will be starting at 4:00 PST (GMT -7) and will play up to probably 9-10ish every saturday.
We use hamachi to connect to one another, and we talk on teamspeak.

If anyone is interested in joining us,PM me.I'd be great to get a bunch of TLers to join us and play; The more the merrier!
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
August 20 2011 08:21 GMT
#872
So I formed the nation of Romania (Ottomans got unlucky with OP Castille :D) and then I saw I had the option to "Westernize". What exactly does it besides destablizing my >50 provinces country ?

Also, I'm tempted to created the "Romanian Empire" :DDD but I think its a little weak ruling method in 1600's or maybe not ?

[image loading]
I'm very good at making carriers.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 08:36:21
August 20 2011 08:28 GMT
#873
As far as i know, it makes you research faster, or, more exactly, lose your non-western europe research malus. Though i do not know how large that is for western europe, it is still probably worth it. Also, why do you have so many large nations? Enemy empires in my game regularly collapse into themselves, even if i am not involved.

Edit: Also, Woooooh, i finally got the reforms done and am now insanely gigantic. I just had too throw money at them for about 50 years, until all of them liked me. Half were my vassals anyways, so that was enough to pass all the reforms in rapid succession. Converting everyone to protestant gave me enough Imperial power. Now everyone hates me because i swallowed everyone that liked me, but who cares, i am absurdly gigantic and basically untouchable.

Edit2: How do you do those whole-world screenshots?
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 20 2011 09:19 GMT
#874
On August 20 2011 17:21 YourMom wrote:
So I formed the nation of Romania (Ottomans got unlucky with OP Castille :D) and then I saw I had the option to "Westernize". What exactly does it besides destablizing my >50 provinces country ?

Also, I'm tempted to created the "Romanian Empire" :DDD but I think its a little weak ruling method in 1600's or maybe not ?

[image loading]


Westernization moves you from your eastern euroe tech group into the western europe tech group. It has a lot of other effects so you better look into the wiki and read it there. But judging from your screenshot I'd say that you are big enough that it should not matter anymore.

Empire is a kinda bad government form. You get a little bonus on army moral but that's it. So I'd say better stick with the better forms of monarchy or my favorite is the republics because you dont have to worry about legitimacy and regency counsils anymore.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 20 2011 09:35 GMT
#875
On August 20 2011 17:28 Simberto wrote:
Edit2: How do you do those whole-world screenshots?


F12 in-game.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
August 20 2011 10:54 GMT
#876
Judging from that screenshot westernization should be your top priority, austria and/or bohemia will eventually come after you and you have no chance of forcing a good peace if you are 10 land levels behind. You would literally have to outnumber them 3 to 1 to have a shot, which you cant because austria has ridiculously large armies. You should probably take active steps to force westernization such as killing off rulers that dont have admistrative 6, by making them lead armies. Being big, but with a lot of relatively poor provinces actually increases the need for westernization, since poor provinces slow down tech even more due to high relative stability cost.

Another possibility you might want to consider is releasing vassals after making the westernization decision, so that your nation no longer borders austria and/or bohemia, which makes them much less likely to come after you, giving you enough time to catch up on tech.

Empire is generally better than feudal monarchy, in my opinion, because of the better maximum on centralization and other sliders.

Also to adress the question of why empires dont fall apart in his games, he might be playing patch 5.1 (which doesnt auto update from steam for everyone), in which larger and more stable AI empires tend to develop.
Pewt
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 05:13:21
August 21 2011 05:13 GMT
#877
On August 16 2011 18:54 Simberto wrote:
I also have got a question. Is there any trick in getting the HRE provinces to vote for your reforms, or do you really have to have good relations with all those 30 OPMs, have low infamy and make them have your religion? Is there a good way to increase your relations, because with those 5-6 diplomats a year it takes forever. I already married nearly every single country (I am seriously astonished as to how many royal siblings i seem to have) Or should i just abandon all hope to ever get those reforms done and form the empire as a nation and go conquer france or something like that? So far, only the first reform has been passed, and that was by the former emperor. And we already have the year 1530. I am at full imperial power, but i don't want to waste it again, i already tried to pass the second reform twice without any success.

Being emperor and having about half of the empire as my vassals makes me able to win wars against almost anyone, but i still only have very few provinces since you cannot ever conquer anything inside the empire.

(I guess this isn't totally necessary since you apparently united the empire now, but in case you or anyone else wants a bit more info)

+ Show Spoiler [wall of text] +
I personally don't even bother sending gifts to anyone other than electors; answering HRE members' calls gives about +100 relations with *everyone* in the HRE (and denying those calls is about the same but negative), so answer a few wars and make sure never to miss any and you'll have +200 with everyone. If you aren't getting any calls, don't worry; they'll happen eventually (a lot of new players seem to expect massive changes to the world in 10-20 year periods, which rarely actually happens). From there, just bribe people who you have to go to war with once the war is over. Also make sure you get a winning peace deal (even if it's just them conceding defeat) for the extra +10 authority.

Other than relations, keep your Diplomatic Skill up (hire an Ambassador, add lots of nations to your Sphere of Influence whenever you have spare prestige), and make sure people don't convert en masse (people of different religions are very uncooperative no matter what).

Another nice (and somewhat abusive) trick to farm imperial authority quickly is to annex vassals and then release them immediately after for the +10 bonus for a state being formed in the empire. The fastest way to do this is by releasing all possible vassals you have cores on (ex Milan, Styria, Tirol, Aquilea as Austria depending on who you killed thanks to missions/calls to arms), waiting for the 5 year truce to expire, cancelling their vassal status and then quickly wiping them all out with reconquest.

Beyond that, some nations just can't resist annexing the same people over and over, such as Brandenburg taking Pommerania and Denmark taking Holstein. Just make sure to leave those people strong enough to keep annexing those nations every few years and you'll have an infinite source of authority to farm (usually often enough that you can be at war with someone or other as often as your war exhaustion allows).

--

If you want to aim to form the HRE and be a superpower from the start of the game, I'd suggest someone like Aragon, Castille, France, or Naples who will be grabbing up lots of non-HRE territory but not interfering much in eastern Europe (let Bohemia and Austria take all of that, it just means more land for you later). Vassalize 4 or 5 electors and keep them happy and you'll become emperor pretty soon, then add all your provinces to the empire for a big authority boost (and if you're close to unifying the empire release all your newly-empirefied potential vassals for a big extra authority boost; for example, as Aragon I released all the french minors, naples, the pope, etc for at least 100 extra authority). By the time you unify (probably late 1500s) you can take a good chunk of the world (in my case about half of africa, all of north america, and all of europe, as well as some random provinces elsewhere).

--

That said, I'd suggest some roleplaying and aiming for smaller goals (and playing a smaller nation in general) for a more fun overall experience; early on the game isn't all that hard as someone like Castille or France, and once you unite the empire nothing in the game will even remotely challenge you. For example, playing Brandenburg and eventually forming Prussia and then Germany with historically accurate borders and few or no colonies can be substantially more challenging while still quite manageable for a new player, especially since later in the game you'll probably get absurd wars like France+Castille+England+Portugal+Austria+Bohemia at once if you don't bother to repair your relations, which can create a nice endgame "final boss" situation.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11928 Posts
August 21 2011 10:37 GMT
#878
On August 21 2011 14:13 Pewt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 18:54 Simberto wrote:
I also have got a question. Is there any trick in getting the HRE provinces to vote for your reforms, or do you really have to have good relations with all those 30 OPMs, have low infamy and make them have your religion? Is there a good way to increase your relations, because with those 5-6 diplomats a year it takes forever. I already married nearly every single country (I am seriously astonished as to how many royal siblings i seem to have) Or should i just abandon all hope to ever get those reforms done and form the empire as a nation and go conquer france or something like that? So far, only the first reform has been passed, and that was by the former emperor. And we already have the year 1530. I am at full imperial power, but i don't want to waste it again, i already tried to pass the second reform twice without any success.

Being emperor and having about half of the empire as my vassals makes me able to win wars against almost anyone, but i still only have very few provinces since you cannot ever conquer anything inside the empire.

(I guess this isn't totally necessary since you apparently united the empire now, but in case you or anyone else wants a bit more info)

+ Show Spoiler [wall of text] +
I personally don't even bother sending gifts to anyone other than electors; answering HRE members' calls gives about +100 relations with *everyone* in the HRE (and denying those calls is about the same but negative), so answer a few wars and make sure never to miss any and you'll have +200 with everyone. If you aren't getting any calls, don't worry; they'll happen eventually (a lot of new players seem to expect massive changes to the world in 10-20 year periods, which rarely actually happens). From there, just bribe people who you have to go to war with once the war is over. Also make sure you get a winning peace deal (even if it's just them conceding defeat) for the extra +10 authority.

Other than relations, keep your Diplomatic Skill up (hire an Ambassador, add lots of nations to your Sphere of Influence whenever you have spare prestige), and make sure people don't convert en masse (people of different religions are very uncooperative no matter what).

Another nice (and somewhat abusive) trick to farm imperial authority quickly is to annex vassals and then release them immediately after for the +10 bonus for a state being formed in the empire. The fastest way to do this is by releasing all possible vassals you have cores on (ex Milan, Styria, Tirol, Aquilea as Austria depending on who you killed thanks to missions/calls to arms), waiting for the 5 year truce to expire, cancelling their vassal status and then quickly wiping them all out with reconquest.

Beyond that, some nations just can't resist annexing the same people over and over, such as Brandenburg taking Pommerania and Denmark taking Holstein. Just make sure to leave those people strong enough to keep annexing those nations every few years and you'll have an infinite source of authority to farm (usually often enough that you can be at war with someone or other as often as your war exhaustion allows).

--

If you want to aim to form the HRE and be a superpower from the start of the game, I'd suggest someone like Aragon, Castille, France, or Naples who will be grabbing up lots of non-HRE territory but not interfering much in eastern Europe (let Bohemia and Austria take all of that, it just means more land for you later). Vassalize 4 or 5 electors and keep them happy and you'll become emperor pretty soon, then add all your provinces to the empire for a big authority boost (and if you're close to unifying the empire release all your newly-empirefied potential vassals for a big extra authority boost; for example, as Aragon I released all the french minors, naples, the pope, etc for at least 100 extra authority). By the time you unify (probably late 1500s) you can take a good chunk of the world (in my case about half of africa, all of north america, and all of europe, as well as some random provinces elsewhere).

--

That said, I'd suggest some roleplaying and aiming for smaller goals (and playing a smaller nation in general) for a more fun overall experience; early on the game isn't all that hard as someone like Castille or France, and once you unite the empire nothing in the game will even remotely challenge you. For example, playing Brandenburg and eventually forming Prussia and then Germany with historically accurate borders and few or no colonies can be substantially more challenging while still quite manageable for a new player, especially since later in the game you'll probably get absurd wars like France+Castille+England+Portugal+Austria+Bohemia at once if you don't bother to repair your relations, which can create a nice endgame "final boss" situation.


Yes, i seem to have done some mistakes making everyone hating me about 2-3 times, like converting to protestant very early. Strangely, the relations lost from that do not repair if the other state converts afterwards. Also marrying everyone and then claiming a throne is not a particularly smart idea. That probably explains why i had such a hard time repairing my relations with everyone. Being emperor was not really a problem since i vassalised 4 electors in some early wars, and bohemia as emperor at that time did not seem to care much about that. Forming the empire seemed to be the most logical thing to do as a german minor, since you can't really fight in germany with the mali from illegal territory. Apparently, only notable nations get useful missions, while small uninteresting nations only get useless stuff like "build more soldiers than x for 5 army tradition"
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 11:20:42
August 21 2011 11:17 GMT
#879
my current ryukyu WC at 1650
997 infamy and 18.72 WE and raising
5-10 rebels every month np
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How do you mine minerals?
BillyHardcore
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark104 Posts
August 21 2011 11:27 GMT
#880
^^
And not a single reload was performed that game
One does not simply walk into maraudor
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