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vijeze
Netherlands719 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On July 06 2011 18:54 Vortok wrote: Looking at the competitive side... it hasn't really grabbed me yet. Something about the standard 6v6 class setup is currently rubbing me the wrong way (though a couple videos I'm watching atm seem to mix it up a tad). Reminds me of a fighting game with a huge cast (9 classes x number of people playing) and then you end up having 90% mirror matches. Plenty of other games (especially shooters) which are practically mirror matches by design (plenty of interesting mirror matches in BW after all) though, so can't brush it aside based on that. Very uber-centric at times, which can slow it down when teams are waiting for it to charge. I probably just need to explore the competitive ruleset a bit more... at least figure out what maps are considered decent and which ones aren't. Figured out 2fort is a shitfest when I realized almost all traffic to the intel has to go through the courtyard and one turret more or less covers it + the cheeky scout/rocket jumping routes as well. Lot of maps I've played so far seem to have that "walk through this chokepoint, no there isn't a good flank route available stop asking" design to them. Not sure I personally agree with the "vanilla loadout" stance yet, but I'm one dude new to the game vs. a bunch of people that have put in thousands of hours tweaking/playing with rules designed to make things as fair a possible. Just more used to a "ban stuff that's proven overpowered/lopsided/has a negative impact on the gameplay - if it's weak and somebody can find a use for it, more power to 'em" mindset. Probably an explanation that can be found for that as well if I search for it a bit. Well, the utility classes are used less, but that depends on the map. On a map like Gullywash, some teams run full time heavy and/or full time sniper. Spies are a gamble, for when you are in a bad situation, or when you just can't break a defense, some teams use them quite frequently (we did, when we had a scout who was good at it). Least played would be pyro, only really used for defending last points. Engineer too, but engineers are often used on gravel pit. So yeah, I'd say those classes are comparable to some of the less used units in BW. There still is the occasional use for Valkyries in TvZ, or TvT against wraiths. As for maps, most of them are 5cp: Badlands is the essential one here, it's the Lost Temple/Python/Destination of TF2 maps. Granary Gullywash Those 3 are the most popular. There are other 5cp maps being played, like Snakewater, Yukon and Bazillion. I am working on a map called Grack. :D As far as other game modes go, for Attack/Defend, Gravel pit is being played. CTF is played on Turbine_pro, and KotH is mostly played on Viaduct_pro. Compettive players feel the need to adjust the maps and make them pro. Well, if you don't go Vanilla, you can either allow everything, which definately does not work. The other option is to ban some weapons, and allow the rest, or allow some weapons, and ban the rest. In either case, you'd have to make a decision for every single unlock in the game. And some players want this unlock and other players want that unlock. Couple that with different leagues using different rulesets, as it is currently and you have a mess on your hands, where you don't know what is allowed and what isn't. Vanilla is just clean and efficient, and none of the banned unlocks really adds something to 6vs6 anyway. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
2 soldiers 1 Medic 1 demo 2 scouts That's the standard 6v6 setup that you'll always see. Of course depending on what CPs are taken heavies, snipers, pyros can all come into play. Now when I say competitive TF2 takes skill I really mean it, otherwise I wouldn't be a very good SC2 addict. The besides the ridiculous mind blowing air rockets and pills that you'll see in a frag movie, there's a lot more to competitive TF2 than just being good at hitting your opponent. Positioning, tactics, awareness, are all part of it. I'm not too well-informed about competitive TF2 but I happen to watch the commentary of official matches even before SC2 was out. | ||
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PetitCrabe
Canada410 Posts
Now, I know people are going to tell me to just delete everything again and reinstall, but it takes forever to download TF2 off steam. Has anything have this problem too? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Just so good :3 Good job guys! (I was annoying as fuck barking suggestions and ideas). | ||
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Wargable
United States107 Posts
Anyway, freaking fun game, I think I've logged more hours in it than probably all other FPS games combined.. well maybe not, but probably close. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 07 2011 11:06 Torte de Lini wrote: Jesus, that badwater game today was enraging and soothing. I love it when the team just listens, plays together and we manage to pull a great defense on point 3 and the last point. Just so good :3 Good job guys! (I was annoying as fuck barking suggestions and ideas). You guys only defended cause I had leave. I was only on there for like all of 5 mins. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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ElusoryX
Singapore2047 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
It's really sad. Imagine if Day9 was told to stfu by everyone because he was helping people to be competitive. That seems like how the competitive scene is viewed in the TF2 community. Horrible lot they are. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 07 2011 23:49 Judicator wrote: You guys only defended cause I had leave. I was only on there for like all of 5 mins. We defended it twice. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:34 Denizen[9] wrote: Demoman is op, his sword does 1 hit kill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXEJyPtGFM&feature=related Shoot him. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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ain
Germany786 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:52 Snuggles wrote: Wow I was checking out the competitive section of the TF2 steam forums. The casual community quite literally hates the competitive community without much reason and they don't even give a good response to the pleas of the pros in the community. It's really sad. Imagine if Day9 was told to stfu by everyone because he was helping people to be competitive. That seems like how the competitive scene is viewed in the TF2 community. Horrible lot they are. Stay away from the SPUF. Except for the tech forum nothing good is to be found there. :/ Sadly, however, that's exactly where Valve are looking for new item ideas. | ||
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
On July 07 2011 05:25 Snuggles wrote: Vortok have you checked out the ESEA matches they have for TF2? I've watched a couple matches on youtube. Dunno if any were from ESEA or not but they were the standard 6v6 (aside from one clusterfuck on Egypt that was like... 12v12). Some of 'em were a bit old, though. Watched a year old EG vs MmM match, among others. I think part of the problem I'm having with watching matches is that I'm not fully used to seeing everything yet + I didn't click with any the commentators I listened to. It's like when you first start watching Starcraft - you just see blobs of units hitting each other (insert BW elitist SC2 joke here). After awhile you start to see the micro and all the little adjustments (BW Muta vs. Marines dance looks very different to a new observer than it does to someone experienced with the game). So right now I mostly see Soldiers rocket jumping all over the place spamming rockets during middle fights. Perhaps later I'll see why they're rocket jumping when and where they're doing it and things like that. Team games also seem to be a bit harder to cast/spectate compared to a 1v1 like SC or a Quake Live duel. Tried looking at the VanillaTV website, but it seems like a lot of matches on their list don't have videos. If there's a youtube channel that uploads current stuff, I wouldn't mind a link. Justin tv likes to take forever to load on my shit internet half the time I pull up an archived video there. | ||
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Wuffey
252 Posts
Oh just saw UK vs Esp is live at the moment. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On July 08 2011 04:14 Vortok wrote: Tried looking at the VanillaTV website, but it seems like a lot of matches on their list don't have videos. If there's a youtube channel that uploads current stuff, I wouldn't mind a link. Justin tv likes to take forever to load on my shit internet half the time I pull up an archived video there. VanillaTV is pretty new, basically uniting all of europes casting. If you want some Vods, try looking at the TF2TV stuff here: http://www.own3d.tv/tf2tv | ||
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ak1knight
United States313 Posts
On July 08 2011 06:59 Torte de Lini wrote: Why is Arena so unpopular in TF2? It's not even in the "play now" section D: It's my favourite mode. A good heavy/medic can demolish in pubs. | ||
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