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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
February 29 2012 05:20 GMT
#721
It changed, which is a good thing because evaporate is a really dumb spell. Beastly appendage is good, use it.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
February 29 2012 06:40 GMT
#722
need to stop being so brave all the time...
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 23:49:14
February 29 2012 23:29 GMT
#723
Well my NaTm has 12 runes and slime opened up (I'm with Jiyva) at about 90k turns. I'll have to check later but I'm hoping to snipe the Naga high score (for sniper 3) with only 14 runes (fuck the demonic rune), but if that doesn't look possible I guess it's back to Pan with me before I go win. I'm also planning to orbrun Tomb, since I am super buff and I have 27 stealth, about 30 dex, and projected noise.

edit: Nevermind about skipping demonic, it looked like I was on an extraordinarily tight time constraint, so I just went and got a demonic rune. Only took about 2k turns, so it wasn't too bad.
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ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
February 29 2012 23:39 GMT
#724
where did you download all your skills, crate? i want to get some too
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 01:17:14
March 01 2012 00:51 GMT
#725
Well I got it. Got Trog 3 and Fedhas 3 banners. Orbrun Tomb worked out ok; Tomb 1 was hard as I expected (and I was dicking around trying to kill greater mummies for a while, so I had multiple panlords spawn) but I got a lucky teleport to the downstairs. From there it was no problem; teleroullette Tomb 2 and projected noise Tomb 3.

edit: Spending 13k turns with wild magic 2 was awful, fuck you for that Jiyva.
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Glenstorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 15:29:17
March 01 2012 15:26 GMT
#726
Ugh, just had the horrid luck of having two pan lords spawn on me with a complement of a fiend during the ascension run. One spawned behind me, then next turn blinked adjacent to me. That same turn, another pan lord spawned on the other side of me, hemming me in a 1-wide hallway between the two of them, with a fiend in line of sight. Immediately kicked off a tele and blinked out, but I ate a torment and an ice storm, and died a turn before my tele activated. Even more frustrating because I started that run when SE was still worth 150 so I missed out on a lot of team points there.

Edit: Looked at my logs, the pan lord didn't blink onto me, I actually got 2 more pan lords in that specific turn, so there were 3 of them >.<
fanboi
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden6 Posts
March 01 2012 21:38 GMT
#727
Hey guys, so I started this sweet game a few weeks ago. This is my best character yet (it's in v .9): Emil the MDFi of Oka

Orc and Lair are done. I have cleared Swamp 1-3, Saint Roka and followers is on 4. Shoals are clear 1-4. Done dungeon down to 20 and found the entrance to Vaults.

Main questions are: How good is +5 strength on my ring? Can this character take on Saint Roka atm? What should I do know? Do more dungeon? Check out Vaults or Elven Halls?

Also should I use my Great Mace? I have pumped so much into shields that I am reluctant to.
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 22:21:55
March 01 2012 22:17 GMT
#728
A +5 str ring isn't really very good. It's neat early on if you're weak and need the carrying capacity. Or if you need it to rise above a str cap for a heavy armour. You should be fine for vaults 1-7. Elf 1-4 should also be fairly easy. V:8 and Elf: 5 are popular places to splat, so make sure you're ready before going there. Crypt is also a valid option since i'm assuming you're not planning on playing through the extended lategame since in that case you would want to save crypt for tso piety.

P.S. Get rid of that spiked flail. It sucks. Also turn off maces & flails. You'll want to use an eveningstar or a demon whip as your endgame item. You don't need anywhere close to 20 maces & flails to reach min delay for those.

P.P.S. Try to get some better resists.

P.P.P.S Great maces are okay but i'd aim for a dwhip or an eveningstar.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
March 01 2012 22:50 GMT
#729
Glenstorm, I saw the footv of your orbrun death. That was extraordinarily bad luck, wow. Triple panlord spawn, plus torment and icestorm and even pain melee (plus your teleport got delayed by the orb, so another 50% chance that didn't go in your favor). Might've been possible to escape that situation but I think most of the ways to get out were not options you had (haste + portal projectile + cblink would probably have worked, ddoor or borg probably would have worked, haste plus digging might have been enough (maybe if you read fog also) but not a lot of options against three panlords and I'm not sure you had any good choices available).

---

Elf 1-4 might be easy but it's also pretty low-reward so personally I basically never bother with Elf unless I want the loot from Elf:5 (I think the only time I did just 1-4 any time recently was on my FeHe and that was because FeHe is a really dumb combo you should never play). At this point you probably want a demon whip since other maces are bad.
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Glenstorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States69 Posts
March 02 2012 00:31 GMT
#730
Oh man, you can easily watch other people's recorded games? How do I go about that?

Despite my luck complaints in the previous post, I'm not much of a believer in luck based deaths. I figure if I didn't have any options tactically (I think teleport statue form blink might have given me enough survivability to make it out, but it was honestly pretty dicey no matter what I did), I messed up strategically by not being properly prepared for bad scenarios. I skipped doing elf, crypt, and the 3 non-rune quadrants of vaults, so I definitely could've had much better gear, including a hasting wand if I managed to find an acquirement, and a few more levels to take that on. Constant danger is what I love roguelikes for, so I generally don't mind dying, though I am disappointed at missing the fairly hefty species bonus.

P.S. Do you guys hang out and chat anywhere? I occasionally pop in and watch your games for a bit, but the built in messaging system is pretty poor.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
March 02 2012 00:49 GMT
#731
I know myopia and I hang out in the crawl IRC channel (##crawl on Freenode).

For footv: http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=footv

You make the request on IRC.
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Sanskrit
Profile Joined March 2012
1 Post
March 02 2012 06:41 GMT
#732
Hey I'm new around these here parts and was wondering if anyone could help me with a NaTM build. I picked up DCSS just about a week ago and have tried some of the recommended builds but I find I am tired of KoBE-ing. Anyway love the forum and an alternative to badwiki.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 11:33:53
March 02 2012 11:11 GMT
#733
FUUUUUUUUUU got to XL 15 for first time in a while; couldn't kill aizul

morgue here. maybe wearing SDA instead of my robe would've been better? I was unloading mystic blast / bolt of cold on him, but he had at least 1/3 health left I think...
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 16:47:49
March 02 2012 16:42 GMT
#734
On March 02 2012 20:11 ]343[ wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUU got to XL 15 for first time in a while; couldn't kill aizul

morgue here. maybe wearing SDA instead of my robe would've been better? I was unloading mystic blast / bolt of cold on him, but he had at least 1/3 health left I think...

Read teleport when you saw him, don't fight. Aizul is one of the nastier uniques.

On March 02 2012 15:41 Sanskrit wrote:
Hey I'm new around these here parts and was wondering if anyone could help me with a NaTM build. I picked up DCSS just about a week ago and have tried some of the recommended builds but I find I am tired of KoBE-ing. Anyway love the forum and an alternative to badwiki.


Get UC to 5 (this will happen just after XL 3), learn spider form and turn on both poison and transmutation until it is castable at ~25% failure, then go back to UC only for a while. You can also learn sticks to snakes if you like but I think the spell is bad at low power and once you have enough power to make s2s decent you also have ridiculously overpowered forms so you don't need it any more. Once UC is at ~10 or so you can start getting some defenses (dodging, fighting, armour if you have a barding) or working toward blade hands. Eventually get blade hands, kill all the dudes. You want to get UC to 27 pretty quickly.

Get all the runes except the golden rune, then orbrun Tomb.

Good gods: Okawaru, Fedhas, Yredelemnul, Nemelex, Jiyva. Others are ok but probably not as good. Oka is probably the best for barding gifts and the fact heroism is ridiculously strong with UC.

My last NaTm morgue.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
March 02 2012 19:27 GMT
#735
On March 03 2012 01:42 crate wrote:
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On March 02 2012 20:11 ]343[ wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUU got to XL 15 for first time in a while; couldn't kill aizul

morgue here. maybe wearing SDA instead of my robe would've been better? I was unloading mystic blast / bolt of cold on him, but he had at least 1/3 health left I think...

Read teleport when you saw him, don't fight. Aizul is one of the nastier uniques.


Darn. I managed to take him up the stairs with me (isolating him on his own floor), but wanted to fight him. Survived for one bout, healed up, went back in, and died D:
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Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:09:45
March 02 2012 22:09 GMT
#736
If something is almost killing you, don't go back and fight it again until you're considerably beefier.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 02:47:06
March 03 2012 02:45 GMT
#737
Guess who just 4-runed a pure Xom game

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/eeviac/morgue-eeviac-20120303-021522.txt

After losing many winnable games this tourney, the only thing to do was to go Chaos Knight. My first two died early, the third went all the way. Surviving the early game was made possible by multiple pre-lair scroll and potion shops, and a Xom gift of 1030 gold. I burned a lot of consumables trying to stay alive. A book of air giving rmsl/flight/swift, and being a green drac, were a massive help too. The hardest part of CK is living long enough to get the tools needed to survive Xom's bad effects. The most difficult stretch I had was when trying to clear lair 8, he tormented me 3 times in less than 250 turns, then started blasting me, then banished me. Funny thing is, not 300 turns after abyssing me, Xom gifted a lantern of shadows... exactly what I needed to survive. I came out of the abyss with a demon blade, followed by a rod of demonology. Things got noticeably easier once I got regeneration (spend less turns resting -> less chances for Xom to screw you), and the game went pretty smoothly post-Orc. I had a ctele mutation all the way up until elf5, where I lost it curing frailty. Painful points were never finding cblink, preservation, or healing wand (despite 3 wand acquirements).

I'm glad I never have to do that again. I was pretty lucky overall.
it's my first day
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
March 03 2012 06:21 GMT
#738
CAO is down
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 18:07:38
March 03 2012 15:52 GMT
#739
how often do you good guys die on low levels?

i finally made the step to online play. so far played KoBe and NaTM and never got beyond d10.
sure i died sometimes to my own stupidity but it seems like there are so often just unfair situations.

i got pummeled to death in 1 round after going downstairs, ive met uniques that killed me in 3 turns with a sling ,a 1hit poison kill , suddenly gnolls evrywhere etc.even a total cockblock in the form of one dungeon level having all 3 stairs next to eachother against a wall and pikel+slaves camping next to it in a open room. esp on a naga it seems like whenever i see something that might be dangerous i can just hope that i fight through it since running away isnt an option.

so is it normal that you just die to stuff sometimes or do you crawlgods have special tactics?

/edit like now i have a problem again.

im on d7 , with sigmund and duvessa on the floor (isnt her brother somewhere too then?) i would skip most of the floor for now but d8 floor all 3 stairs are next to eachother , a wall to the right and 4 wights to the left.

what do i do? <.<

actually there were 4 (5if you count duvessas brother) uniques on d7. killed that eustachio and the little goblin(ilyb?).

make that 5. blork the orc just run into my view.

/edit survived and did well. till in lair 7 in get a 8 headed hydra right next to the stairs which kills me before teleport kicks in. why is this game so cruel >.<
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ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
March 03 2012 22:05 GMT
#740
On March 04 2012 00:52 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
how often do you good guys die on low levels?

i finally made the step to online play. so far played KoBe and NaTM and never got beyond d10.
sure i died sometimes to my own stupidity but it seems like there are so often just unfair situations.

i got pummeled to death in 1 round after going downstairs, ive met uniques that killed me in 3 turns with a sling ,a 1hit poison kill , suddenly gnolls evrywhere etc.even a total cockblock in the form of one dungeon level having all 3 stairs next to eachother against a wall and pikel+slaves camping next to it in a open room. esp on a naga it seems like whenever i see something that might be dangerous i can just hope that i fight through it since running away isnt an option.

so is it normal that you just die to stuff sometimes or do you crawlgods have special tactics?

/edit like now i have a problem again.

im on d7 , with sigmund and duvessa on the floor (isnt her brother somewhere too then?) i would skip most of the floor for now but d8 floor all 3 stairs are next to eachother , a wall to the right and 4 wights to the left.

what do i do? <.<

actually there were 4 (5if you count duvessas brother) uniques on d7. killed that eustachio and the little goblin(ilyb?).

make that 5. blork the orc just run into my view.

/edit survived and did well. till in lair 7 in get a 8 headed hydra right next to the stairs which kills me before teleport kicks in. why is this game so cruel >.<


If the rng hates you, you'll never win a game ever. Just how it rolls.

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