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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
January 23 2012 18:04 GMT
#501
You're magically contaminated. It doesn't do much at low glow, but when it changes to yellow or red you have a chance of mutating. It also penalizes stealth.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
January 23 2012 18:05 GMT
#502
On January 24 2012 01:12 Ulfsark wrote:
Hey what does it mean when it says "glow" near my character?

Magic contamination, you start to suffer when it gets too high, like mutations and stuff. Also when you glow monsters see you even if you are invisible. It happens when you do misscasts and when you cast abusable spells like invisibility.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
January 23 2012 18:53 GMT
#503
In 0.10 you don't get the "glow" status unless you are actually glowing (as in, you have enough contamination to potentially mutate you or you are lit by Corona or Sticky Flame, and thus Invisibility will do nothing). Harmless contamination is described by a gray "contam" status instead.

Blue glow is from Corona and the like (you are easier to hit), darkred is from Sticky Flame, yellow and brightred are from magic contamination (and will potentially mutate you).

---

Distortion is actually a really good weapon brand, especially in places that aren't Vaults (distortion against yaktaurs in open spaces is not good, since you'll end up blinking them a lot), so if you find yourself equipped with a distortion weapon early on you can just choose to stick with it until you can survive a possible trip to the abyss. Admittedly it is less good for someone who worships Trog since blinking enemies do not play nice with berserk, but on the other hand once you build up enough Trog piety BIA does a pretty good job of helping you survive the abyss.
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Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
January 23 2012 18:59 GMT
#504
Thanks for the awesome responses guys!
Been trying out high elf conjurers. Gotten pretty far with them, well relative to my other characters.
gg wp
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
January 24 2012 07:21 GMT
#505
Ogre magi are actually really good targets for Yred's Enslave Soul ability by the way. They have haste other in every single spellset, so they'll randomly toss out some speed to your bone dragons and profane servitors. Free ally healing (in some spellsets) is not bad either. The downside is they're pretty squishy so they'll die a lot ... the upside is that they're pretty common so it's not a big loss when they do!

Other good non-uniques to enslave: orc sorcerers or high priests; deep elf sorcerers and demonologists (probably not high priests); sphinxes; draconian callers. Beefy fighter dudes aren't bad either, but probably aren't really worth the piety unless it's a unique.

Also apparently you can get bone dragons on d:14 without faith if you are lucky (I also got a lot of extra piety in orc because I cleared a bailey with a ton of orcs). Note that a hasted bone dragon will more often than not kill an orb of fire 1-on-1; these are formidable allies.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 25 2012 21:10 GMT
#506
So what exactly is the deal with the distortion brand? Worth using? Caveats?
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TotalNightmare
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 21:53:54
January 25 2012 21:16 GMT
#507
I liked playing this very mutch but then I got a problem where the game still works exactly the same but it is slow as hell (I can see magic darts moving) and every action is delayed after I press the key (I play in tiles mode). Favorite race are definitly naga. If anyone knows how to fix my problem please PM, would be very helpful (Actually you would help me waste days of my life but I would be extremely gratefull.)

EDIT: I use Windows 7 if that matters in any way.
"That's like somone walking into YOUR house and putting a plant down on the table and starting to water it. While he shoots you with a gun!" - Day9
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
January 25 2012 21:19 GMT
#508
The distortion brand kicks major arse, randomly damaging or blinking monsters you hit with it. The problem is unwielding the sucker, it can deal up to 50ish damage and it can abyss you. Basically do not wield one unless you know what you're doing.

As for tiles lag, I don't know. If you play webtiles, maybe it has to do with network lag. If you're playing tiles locally, I have no idea. Maybe try to grow your neckbeard levels a little and try the console version. Protip, go into the preferences of the executable and make the font larger and/or change fonts, so it's easier to read.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:12:38
January 26 2012 01:06 GMT
#509
The Ancient Lich is devoured by a tear in reality! ...Yeah I'd say the distortion brand is almost broken if you've got a build that never needs to unwield it.

Win #5, ft. 5 runes - my new best.

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/eeviac/morgue-eeviac-20120126-004426.txt

TeAE may be my favorite build yet. Sure Tengu have low HP, but survive the early game and their permanent flight+speed boost is incredibly strong. Great combat, defensive, and casting aptitudes. I would've killed for a decent demon trident, but that unbranded one was literally the only one I found, even after clearing out shoals:5. And then it took an Abyss run to find Freezing Aura. And then I never found vorpalise weapon. I was using a trident of protection all the way up to the slime rune, the vault there got me the Warp Weapon spell. Good enough. I ventured into Hell and kill Geryon, but didn't go any further. I didn't feel safe since I had 0 rN+, never found Regeneration or Blink spells, and my weapon was unreliable. I'm pretty sure I was strong enough that I could've converted to Lugonu -> scummed Abyss for piety -> permanently branded Distortion -> gone for 15 runes, but that would've taken forever.

Another option would've been to kill Mennas for his Eudemon blade and scum Abyss for Long Blades XP, but again... take forever.

MVP spells: Tornado, Summon Elemental, Warp Weapon.
it's my first day
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
January 26 2012 01:20 GMT
#510
26 pages. Daaamn.

I should retry this game, I suppose. I played it some time ago. It looked amazing on the outside, but it was just... shallower than expected once I got into it. When I found it, I thought I had found another Roguelike I could play alongside NetHack and ADOM, but it just didn't quite compare.

I should give it a second shot, hopefully without preconceived notions.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
January 26 2012 01:30 GMT
#511
^I used to be in exactly the same boat...
On September 02 2011 13:35 myopia wrote:
I played this for a few months, but ended up going back to slash'em. DCSS has a great UI and a lot of cool ideas, but it's missing that ol' nethack imbalanced insanity charm.

Just one example: ghosts vs. bones files. One is a pain to deal with and may very well kill you while giving nothing back but experience, the other is christmas coming early.

Despite my love of roguelikes, Crawl has a very different design approach than NetHack or ADOM, and as such it took me a long time to get into it. But now that I'm here, all my old favorites have been rendered unplayable. The game cuts out a lot of typical RL crap and adds a bunch of awesome.

When you do retry Crawl make sure to download the latest trunk, or the official version .10 which is due out in a week or two.
it's my first day
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
January 26 2012 01:34 GMT
#512
It had been a long time since I'd played SpEn, but I wanted to get better at ninja'ing stuff and they're the easiest way to go for that. What I've learned is that they're super easymode if you get halfway decent luck. You don't even have to kill stuff that's not in your way.

Right now I have 9 runes (shoals, swamp, vaults, abyss, and all 5 Pan runes) and I'm on d:27 at turn 38k, which is way faster than I've ever even been there with 3 runes before. I could probably do Zot except I have only one ring of rF and no potions of resistance right now, so I need to find more rF or I will die to orbs of fire in Zot:5.

I went Lugonu for corruption/lifesaving/distortion/easy Pan exit (if you use Lugonu's aa you exit back to D, not sure if normal Abyss exits take you to D or Pan because I heard it may have changed..?), worked out pretty nicely so far. I corrupted the wrong place on Cerebov's level (partly since I didn't know the vault) but it still caused enough commotion to let me slip past everything. Got lucky with Gloorx because I appeared on the level in vision of the rune, so I took it and left. Mnoleg's rune is easy as always, and I got the hard-to-ninja Lom vault but guessed correctly so that didn't matter.
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Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
January 26 2012 03:14 GMT
#513
On January 26 2012 10:30 myopia wrote:
^I used to be in exactly the same boat...
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 13:35 myopia wrote:
I played this for a few months, but ended up going back to slash'em. DCSS has a great UI and a lot of cool ideas, but it's missing that ol' nethack imbalanced insanity charm.

Just one example: ghosts vs. bones files. One is a pain to deal with and may very well kill you while giving nothing back but experience, the other is christmas coming early.

Despite my love of roguelikes, Crawl has a very different design approach than NetHack or ADOM, and as such it took me a long time to get into it. But now that I'm here, all my old favorites have been rendered unplayable. The game cuts out a lot of typical RL crap and adds a bunch of awesome.

When you do retry Crawl make sure to download the latest trunk, or the official version .10 which is due out in a week or two.


Nice. I'll wait until .10 is out and then give it another try. I'll give it time to grow on me. Hopefully I'll find this Awesome you're talking about.

Thanks man.
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 03:25:16
January 26 2012 03:23 GMT
#514
What you mistake for shallowness is part of their design philosophy of not letting the player have no-brainer choices. For example, in ADOM, when you kill an ogre, you can eat its corpse to train your Strength. Is there any reason NOT to do so? No not really, so you have a no-brainer.

Another thing, ADOM rewards scummy behaviour. It has an infinite dungeon where you can basically generate as many levels as you'd like of a given danger level and farm them for items. It also has a Big Room that you can pacify and spend a few thousand turns farming Morgia Roots to train your toughness to incredible levels.

The problem is here that a boring action becomes most optimal thing to do. I mean if you have the means to pacify the Big Room, then it's hard to come up with a reason not to do so. So to play optimally you must spend a long-ass time scumming morgia roots, and that's not fun.

Crawl tries to get rid of scumming, to get rid of no-brainers to make your choices more meaningful. I'd love to compare to things in NetHack as well, but I never played it much so to be fair I can't.

Also, there's no reason to wait for the stable 0.10 release unless you want to. They build a new trunk version several times a week containing the latest stuff, and if you play on the servers it'll even let you transfer your savegames to the next version.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 04:44:01
January 26 2012 04:34 GMT
#515
So it turns out 9 runes in less than 50k turns is a better score than 15 in 170k. Doing Zot:5 with only a staff of fire and ring of rF+ was stressful but I got the luckiest random teleport you could ask for and ended up literally one step away from the orb with only 3 orb guardians in view. My random teleport after that did take me into a potentially bad spot but it only took one more to get back to the upstairs and it was easy from there.

Here's the log if anyone is interested: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/crate/morgue-crate-20120126-040846.txt

#1 smart move: find manual of fighting in wizlab, drop it along with all the other books right outside the wizlab and forget I found it.
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Narg
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland99 Posts
January 26 2012 13:04 GMT
#516
I remember playing dungeon crawl v 3.xx or something around 2007 or so, and lurked/read this thread thru a few times and said to myself "I'll wait the extra week or 3 for the new offline version" well... died about 70 times before trying out a bit easier combination than the usual funky ones I tried, long story short, got farther than I ever got with a KoBe and.. impatient. Sigh.
Also never could make up my mind whether to use the robe or the dragon armour I had (with -2ev).
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.9.1 character file.

486989 Narf the Intangible (level 27, 0/186 (190) HPs)
Began as a Kobold Berserker on Jan 24, 2012.
Was a Priest of Trog.
Killed from afar by a black draconian annihilator (35 damage)
... with an iron shot

... on Level 2 of the Realm of Zot on Jan 26, 2012.
The game lasted 10:45:21 (98262 turns).

Narf the Intangible (Kobold Berserker) Turns: 98262, Time: 10:45:21

HP 0/186 (190) AC 15 Str 23 XL: 27
MP 0/25 EV 41 Int 3 (5) God: Trog [***...]
Gold 5814 SH 29 Dex 29 (30) Spells: 0 memorised, 28 levels left

Res.Fire : + + . See Invis. : + N - +6,+8 sabre (elec)
Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . . P - +4 robe "Xoleazyuss" {rElec rC+ MR}
Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : + J - +3 elf buckler {AC+3}
Res.Acid. : + . . Res.Corr. : + n - +0 cap of Xizeg {Spirit, Str+3 SInv}
Res.Poison: . Clarity : . Y - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Res.Elec. : + Spirit.Shd : + S - +0 pair of gloves of Siadad {Dex+3 Dam+1}
Sust.Abil.: . . Stasis : . A - +0 pair of boots of the Saviour {rF+}
Res.Mut. : + Ctrl.Telep.: . m - amulet "Bupsacidgh" {rMut MR}
Res.Rott. : . Levitation : . H - ring "Netor" {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
Saprovore : + + . Ctrl.Flight: . K - ring "Skivunui" {Dex+3 Stlth++}

@: regenerating, about to teleport, exhausted, slowed, very slow, uncannily
resistant to hostile enchantments, incredibly stealthy
A: disease resistance, carnivore 3, saprovore 2
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, barnacled, silver


You were on level 2 of the Realm of Zot.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was greatly pleased with you.
You were very full.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 67 of its levels.
You visited 1 Labyrinth.
You visited 2 bazaars.
You visited 3 portal chambers: ossuary, bailey, wizlab.

You collected 7984 gold pieces.
You spent 2190 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
g - the -3,+1 dagger of Trog's Whim (quivered) {god gift, stab, *TELE rPois MR}
(Trog gifted it to you on level 26 of the Dungeon)

It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.


It protects you from poison.
It increases your resistance to enchantments.
It causes teleportation.
L - a +7,+9 anti-magic quick blade {god gift}
N - a +6,+8 sabre of electrocution (weapon)
Armour
n - the +0 cap of Xizeg (worn) {Spirit, Str+3 SInv}
(You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)


It affects your strength (+3).
It enhances your eyesight.
A - the +0 pair of boots of the Saviour (worn) {rF+}
(You bought it in a shop on level 13 of the Dungeon)


It protects you from fire.
J - a +3 elven buckler of protection (worn)
P - the +4 robe "Xoleazyuss" (worn) {rElec rC+ MR}
(You found it on level 20 of the Dungeon)


It protects you from cold.
It insulates you from electricity.
It increases your resistance to enchantments.
S - the +0 pair of gloves of Siadad (worn) {Dex+3 Dam+1}
(You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)


It affects your dexterity (+3).
It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+1).
W - the +5 swamp dragon armour of Submission {Str+5 Int+3}
(You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)


It affects your strength (+5).
It affects your intelligence (+3).
Y - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn)
Magical devices
a - a wand of disintegration (9)
d - a wand of teleportation (11)
o - a wand of disintegration (24)
u - a wand of teleportation (7)
z - a wand of lightning (11)
B - a wand of digging (7)
D - a wand of draining (13)
U - a wand of fireball (6)
X - a wand of digging (21)
Z - a wand of cold (15)
Comestibles
c - 13 meat rations
y - 2 royal jellies
Scrolls
f - 7 scrolls of detect curse
h - 26 scrolls of remove curse
p - a scroll of enchant armour
r - 12 scrolls of teleportation
w - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
F - a scroll of blinking
O - 5 scrolls of recharging
T - 4 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
e - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
m - the amulet "Bupsacidgh" (around neck) {rMut MR}
(You found it on level 27 of the Dungeon)

[amulet of resist mutation]

It increases your resistance to enchantments.
s - the ring of Seumuadagint {Hunger- +Blink rF+ SInv}
(You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)

[ring of sustenance]

It protects you from fire.
It enhances your eyesight.
It lets you blink.
t - the ring of Makhleb's Esteem {rF+ Dex+3 Int+1}
(You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)

[ring of dexterity]
It affects your dexterity (+3).

It affects your intelligence (+1).
It protects you from fire.
v - the amulet "Zutsituq" {Ward Acc+2}
(You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)

[amulet of warding]

It affects your accuracy (+2).
E - the ring of Thyjadia {rC+ Int+1}
(You found it on level 8 of the Vaults)

[ring of intelligence]
It affects your intelligence (+1).

It protects you from cold.
G - the amulet of the Air {cFly +Lev rElec EV+3 Stlth++}
(You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)

[amulet of controlled flight]

It affects your evasion (+3).
It insulates you from electricity.
It lets you levitate.
It makes you much more stealthy.
H - the ring "Netor" (right hand) {rF+ rN+ Acc+2}
(You found it on level 2 of the Hive)

[ring of life protection]

It affects your accuracy (+2).
It protects you from fire.
K - the ring "Skivunui" (left hand) {Dex+3 Stlth++}
(You found it on level 5 of the Elven Halls)

[ring of dexterity]
It affects your dexterity (+3).

It makes you much more stealthy.
M - the amulet "Sixi" {cFly rElec rPois Stlth++}
(You found it in a Labyrinth)

[amulet of controlled flight]

It insulates you from electricity.
It protects you from poison.
It makes you much more stealthy.
Q - an uncursed amulet of faith
R - a cursed ring of teleportation
Potions
i - a potion of resistance
j - 9 potions of healing
k - 10 potions of restore abilities
l - 5 potions of heal wounds
x - 3 potions of agility
C - 3 potions of speed
I - 8 potions of invisibility
Magical staves
b - a +2 rod of destruction [ice] (12/12)
(You found it on level 25 of the Dungeon)


Skills:
+ Level 23 Fighting
- Level 14 Short Blades
- Level 5 Long Blades
- Level 3 Maces & Flails
- Level 1 Throwing
+ Level 6 Armour
O Level 27 Dodging
- Level 17 Stealth
- Level 13 Stabbing
+ Level 20 Shields
- Level 8 Traps & Doors
- Level 1 Unarmed Combat
- Level 1 Spellcasting
+ Level 6 Evocations


You had 28 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27) Temple (0/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:7
Elf (5/5) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D Swamp (5/5) Lair:5
Shoals (5/5) Lair:5 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Hive (2/2) D:14
Vault (8/8) D:19 Blade (0/1) Vault:6 Crypt (0/5) Vault:2
Zot (2/5) D:27
Dis: Hell:1 Geh: Hell:1 Coc: Hell:1 Tar: Hell:1

Altars:
Ashenzari
Kikubaaqudgha
Okawaru
The Shining One
Vehumet
Yredelemnul
Zin
Beogh

Shops:
D:10: /(/ D:13: [ D:14: ( D:18: [** D:26: % D:27: ( Orc:4: [+(%=
Shoals:2: * Shoals:3: + Vault:2: ! Vault:8: %%%%%%?%

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26
Pan: D:21 D:24
Trove: Vault:2 (give +5,+6 demon blade)
Ziggurat: D:13 (4990 gp)

Annotations
Lair:8 exclusion: 3 oklob plants
Shoals:2 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You recuperate from illness quickly.
You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You can eat rotten meat.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
January 27 2012 06:31 GMT
#517
"Fake tourney" page which seems to include all 0.10 games played from Jan 1 till now (though of course both CDO and CAO are on 0.11 currently, so this is basically over):

http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12a/overview.html

</brag>

---

As far as armour on KoBe goes (in 0.10, at least) I'd say look for mottled > steam > swamp dragon armour (FDA is ok too if you need the resists). Robes have the problem of having really crappy AC. Assuming you get enough ?ea then with 0 armour skill you get 6 AC more from steam dragon armour than from a robe; 8 more from MDA; or 10 more with swamp dragon armour, and the EV penalties are not very large even on small races. Train up armour skill a bit (note you can't actually train armour skill in steam dragon armour though--you'd have to wear leather or something to train it) and you will definitely feel less fragile. Robes can work, especially if you have one of resistance (and need the resistances) or a nice randart, but you will take more damage.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
January 27 2012 06:33 GMT
#518
hahaha most deaths to uniques *flex*

so many suicides
it's my first day
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
January 27 2012 15:24 GMT
#519
On January 27 2012 15:33 myopia wrote:
hahaha most deaths to uniques *flex*

so many suicides


Mad skillz!

Oh, wait... =P
Glenstorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States69 Posts
January 29 2012 14:01 GMT
#520
Hey, I've just started playing recently and looking for a little advice.

I'm playing a (pale) draconian abyssal knight, and my gameplan was to get unarmed up, then get transmutations up, and turn into a dragon and rip through things. So I'm on D:5 with 7.9 unarmed, 4.1 fighting, 3.3 dodging, and 2.4 shields, then I find this: The +7,+7 great sword of Change {speed, Hunger+ +Blink Int+1 SInv}. My question is, do I use this for a while without training swords then switch to unarmed after I've gotten the skill fairly high, or do I just go all out and abandon my current plans in favor of training longswords?
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