Formula 1 - 2011

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MoonfireSpam

United Kingdom1153 Posts

July 09 2011 08:07 GMT

#561

At least our weather makes for interesting racing if nothing else

Aristodemus

England2010 Posts

July 09 2011 21:53 GMT

#562

For anyone interested in this ridiculous blown diffuser row thats ongoing, here is a transcript between Christian Horner and Martin Whitmarsh. I was against it from the start BUT backing down in light of (Red Bulls) protests just seems weak. Its pretty clear McLaren are the worst affected top team and probably only second to Renault F1 of all the teams.

Horner: "First of all there was a technical directive that effectively turned it all off. That was met with reticence by the manufacturers, and it has been very much a manufacturer issue.

"Certain teams were then allowed to have fired overrun, to fuel their overrun, of which there were also secondary benefits, through the exhaust plumes and thrusts that creates.

"Renault presented their position to the FIA - and let's not forget this is an extraordinarily complex matter - to demonstrate that precedent is there that - for purposes of throttle blip (when changing down the gears) and reliability - cold-air blowing, open throttle, was a necessary part of the operation of their engine otherwise it would cause serious issues.

"It would be unfair to allow fired overrun and not allow the same parameters for another engine manufacturer.

"It is a very difficult job for the FIA to pick their way through this and I think all credit to them, they have looked to be as fair, balanced and equitable as they decreed they would be, to come up with a solution that they have.

"We are not totally happy with the solution that we have, that's for sure. I'm sure Martin isn't with his and I'm sure there are a lot of conspiracies in the paddock.

"But that's just circumstantial at the end of the day. The fundamentals are that the engine manufacturers have been treated in a fair and equitable manner."

Whitmarsh: "I'm sure people set out to do that. There have been about six technical directives on the subject so far and when the goalposts are moving part-way through a practice session, it makes it quite difficult.

"To do this in a fairly cloudy, ambiguous and changing way, inevitably in a competitive environment every team feels it's been hard done by. At the moment, potentially a lot of teams will end up making arguments to cold-blow.

"Renault have been in that domain for some time. Other teams haven't and don't have that experience. We are talking a very substantial performance benefit here."

Horner: "Why is it any more of a performance benefit than fired overrun? At the end of the day, Renault is allowed a fired over-run but it can't for reliability purposes."

Whitmarsh: "No, but clearly if under braking the throttles are open 50%, it is a reasonable benefit. It is a lot of gas going through. I would imagine all engines will end up doing that, which isn't what was envisaged when it was said we are going to stop engine blowing."

Horner: "So Mercedes engines aren't firing on overrun?"

Whitmarsh: "They've been constrained."

Horner: "As have Renault."

Whitmarsh: "Providing the constraints are the same for everyone, but clearly the fact we're having this discussion, it's messy.

"The intention people believed was that we were going to stop exhausts blowing when the driver didn't have his foot on the throttle. I think that was a simple concept. But that concept has been deflected. Therefore it hasn't been clear.

"The fact these things were only coming out in the course of today [Friday] is fairly extraordinary. But nonetheless I'm sure we'll remain calm and pick our way through.

"But probably better to make changes to the regulations between seasons and not in seasons, and to make regulations that are clear and unambiguous.

"At the moment a lot of people are getting emotional about the situation and I can understand why it's frustrating for the engineers not to know what it is we are allowed to do. By cold blowing, you're getting an extra 30 or 40 points of rear downforce in braking and that's quite an attractive thing, so if you can do it you're going to do it."

Horner: "Let's not make any mistake here. Firing on overrun, the thrust that that generates through the exhaust, generates a bigger effect. Let's just be absolutely clear on that."

Whitmarsh: "And that's been largely contained. A lot of those strategies are not permissible now."

Horner: "I read the technical directive that four-cylinder fired over-run was permissible for certain competitors and that includes your engine. As far as we understood, before Renault were allowed their parameters ,obviously there was a significant advantage going to any Mercedes-powered team.

"As you can see, it's a massively complex subject and the one thing Martin and I will agree on is it should have been addressed at the end of the year. But unfortunately here we are."

crappyleft

99 Posts

July 09 2011 21:59 GMT

#563

I'm just hoping it rains, otherwise I think we're in for a boring race.

Zaros

United Kingdom3692 Posts

July 09 2011 22:00 GMT

#564

I just hope vettel doesnt win

Aristodemus

England2010 Posts

July 09 2011 22:34 GMT

#565

On July 10 2011 07:00 Zaros wrote:
I just hope vettel doesnt win

Nice bit of Red Bull contact at the first corner? Im up for that

Zaros

United Kingdom3692 Posts

July 09 2011 23:02 GMT

#566

i dont mind webber winning

Mattes

Germany1116 Posts

July 10 2011 09:40 GMT

#567

I just hope vettel does win.

/ on a side note: even if he doesnt, 77 points in advance at this point of the season is just crazy, if he only keeps placing in the top 3 in every race there is literally no way he can lose the championship.

On the other side, just dropping out one race and you might lose 25 points on your strongest opponent, makes for an exciting season until the last 4-5 races.