Lackluster race but I watched the BBC feed for the first time yesterday. It is approximately 378 times better than the US coverage on Speed Channel. The Speed commentators are so amateurish and dull, it drove me nuts from the first time I ever watched them. Even though I was a noob to F1, I still knew that those guys were bad. BBC production value is so much higher and there are no effing commercial breaks every 5 minutes. It's no contest.

Ermac

336 Posts

June 27 2011 23:13 GMT

#545

Personally I think Vettel is way overhyped though. He's a very good driver obviously, but I think Hamilton/Button/Rosberg/Schumacher/Alonso would probably outperform him with similar cars. That's one thing that really sucks about Formula 1. You never know how much comes from the car and how much comes from the driver. Even experts can only speculate.

Project Psycho

United Kingdom329 Posts

June 27 2011 23:53 GMT

#546

Nah, if they were all in the same car it would be a 3 horse race between Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel. Schumacher is way passed his prime and rosberg, massa and button are good but not quite on the level of the 3 i mentioned.

Ermac

336 Posts

June 28 2011 01:30 GMT

#547

On June 28 2011 08:53 Project Psycho wrote:
Nah, if they were all in the same car it would be a 3 horse race between Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel. Schumacher is way passed his prime and rosberg, massa and button are good but not quite on the level of the 3 i mentioned.

Well, if that's your not-so-humble opinion as an undisputed expert of all things Formula 1 then it's gotta be true I guess.

Bairemuth

United States404 Posts

June 28 2011 01:42 GMT

#548

If every driver had identical cars...there would definitely be at least one surprise. Someone from a lesser team would suddenly become a contender. It would be very interesting to see how it would play out so we could put to rest who is the best current driver.

krisss

Luxembourg305 Posts

June 28 2011 01:46 GMT

#549

IMHO Vettel and Alsonso are the best drivers atm. Hamilton is a tiny bit behind i guess simply because hes overreacting too often, he got no patience. Sounds stupid, but even in a race u have to be patient sometimes.

Aristodemus

England2010 Posts

June 28 2011 02:24 GMT

#550

On June 28 2011 10:46 krisss wrote:
IMHO Vettel and Alsonso are the best drivers atm. Hamilton is a tiny bit behind i guess simply because hes overreacting too often, he got no patience. Sounds stupid, but even in a race u have to be patient sometimes.

Yeah, thats why Hamilton beat them both the only time they drove equal cars.

baldgye

United Kingdom1103 Posts

June 28 2011 11:58 GMT

#551

This is why in his debut year he was on the podium 9 times in his first 9 races, he beat his team mate and then reigning 2 time world champion Alonso and came within one point of winning the drivers world championship in his rookie year... and would have gone onto win it if it wasn't for Alonso. He then went on to win the title in his second year in one of the best seasons F1 has seen.

Hamilton drives alot like Senna, its all or nothing... good example was if you compare the races he has led in the wet compared to the one at Canada where Vettel was whey too cautious and let Button win.

While Vettel is no doubt an amazing driver, I think if they were all in equal cars the battle would be between Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel and when he is fit Kubica (who almost won the WC with BMW remember) with Button, Webber, Koby and Schumy batteling behind.

...but back on topic to this season... I think the WC and CC is over... I can't see anyway for anyone else to win... Hamilton has the best shot but McLaren is lagging behind Ferrari atm and is a way off from Redbull... I just hope for rain at the British GP as both the McLaren drivers are amazing wet drivers in very diffrent ways.... but yeah looks like atm Vettel has the title in the bag and RedBull have the constructors in the bag too...

Ermac

336 Posts

June 28 2011 12:48 GMT

#552

On June 28 2011 10:42 Bairemuth wrote:

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Good point, I totally forgot about Kobayashi for example. He's an amazing driver imho.

Aristodemus

England2010 Posts

July 01 2011 14:13 GMT

#553

Congratulations to Daniel Ricciardo on earning his drive with Hispania until the end of the year. Silverstone should be a good track for him to debut too considering his British F3 past. I wont shed any tears for Narain Karthikeyan, the guy was never good enough for F1.

Edit: Its not the only change at Hispania either, ownership has changed hands as they are completely broke it seems. Williams announced they have signed a two year deal for Renault engines too, Williams-Renault ftw!!!!!! Just need a red5 now

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

July 05 2011 12:11 GMT

#554

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm

Really interesting interview with Villeneuve. I have similar feelings about modern F1; except I like DRS :p

zere

Germany1287 Posts

July 05 2011 12:34 GMT

#555

On July 01 2011 23:13 Aristodemus wrote:Williams announced they have signed a two year deal for Renault engines too, Williams-Renault ftw!!!!!! Just need a red5 now

Anyone know what's happening with Cosworth? I've been looking a bit into the 2013/2014-engine-question, but I could not find definite answers related to Cosworth within all that engine regulation chaos.
Now Williams said that one of the main reasons why they will turn to Renault is because Cosworth won't be able to produce an engine for the 2013 season. Which is kind of a shame, because, looking at Williams' top speeds, their current engine seems really competitive.

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

July 05 2011 12:54 GMT

#556

Cosworth weren't in F1 during to 2007-2009 then they stepped up to make engines for the bunch of new teams that turned up in 2010. I guess it's just not so profitable anymore or Renault have made the teams a better offer. Cosworth has their hands in lots of things it's probably just a business decision not too much to worry about.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Cosworth back for 2014; they are fantastic with turbos.

kierpanda

United States757 Posts

July 07 2011 19:05 GMT

#557

I completely agree with the Hamilton side. He's a good driver, but a driver needs to know patience. Yo can't shove your way around anymore -- even Senna didn't necessarily stick his nose everywhere. He was super aggressive, but pretty darn smart too. I can't really say I've seen Senna race first hand (I was only three when he ran his final race), so I'm relying on replays and what not.

Button is patient, which is why I'm favoring this Brit over the other. He pretty much went from dead last to 1st in Canada.

I am biased though -- born and raised as a Mclaren fan :p (though my parents are favoring RBR now...).

I will admit that Vettel is a superb driver, but, also that Newey is pretty darn crafty.

zere

Germany1287 Posts

July 09 2011 07:00 GMT

#558

Which forecast to trust?

soulpoetry

United Kingdom177 Posts

July 09 2011 07:04 GMT

#559

welcome to british weather

zere

Germany1287 Posts

July 09 2011 07:13 GMT

#560

Also, forgot to add Ricciardo! ~~6th~~ 5th rookie this year. (It's early in the morning and I can't count.)

+ Show Spoiler [Daniel Ricciardo] +

Daniel Ricciardo, 22
Website: http://www.danielricciardo.com/

Estimated annual income: unknown

Career Highlights:
2008: 2nd Formula Renault Eurocup
2009: British F3 Champion
2010: 2nd Renault World Series