On June 13 2011 09:50 Ermac wrote: Damn, Schumacher still has it in him and he's still the god of rain apparently =). If they can make that car competitive for next season I see him as a strong contender for the title again.
I can't see him lasting another season and I really don't see him ever being in the title hunt again.
On June 13 2011 09:50 Ermac wrote: Damn, Schumacher still has it in him and he's still the god of rain apparently =). If they can make that car competitive for next season I see him as a strong contender for the title again.
I can't see him lasting another season and I really don't see him ever being in the title hunt again.
Then you're not very well informed. Schumacher will definitely drive another season. His contract lasts till 2012 and he has stated time and time again that he will fulfill it. There's even speculation he will extend it to 2014 or longer.
Apart from that he's a great driver and with the right car he will be a contender again.
On June 13 2011 09:50 Ermac wrote: Damn, Schumacher still has it in him and he's still the god of rain apparently =). If they can make that car competitive for next season I see him as a strong contender for the title again.
I can't see him lasting another season and I really don't see him ever being in the title hunt again.
Then you're not very well informed. Schumacher will definitely drive another season. His contract lasts till 2012 and he has stated time and time again that he will fulfill it. There's even speculation he will extend it to 2014 or longer.
Apart from that he's a great driver and with the right car he will be a contender again.
I'm talking realistically, untill the last race he's been out qulified/raced by his team mate nearly every race and no one is talking about Nico winning the title. This was suppose to be Merc's big season but they have been unable to beat Ferrari who are the lesser of the two 3 teams atm...
...also Alonso beat Schuy at the end of his career when he was racing much better than he is now... and Alonso has not only gotten better but he has got new friends that can push him in the form of Vettel and Lewis... and I can't see Schuy ever being good enough at this point in time to beat either of those 3 to a title... Merc would have to do a Honda/Braun for that.
Though I really wanted him to get a podium... but yeah I think that this result is probally just a one off and that he wont want to contiune
On June 13 2011 09:50 Ermac wrote: Damn, Schumacher still has it in him and he's still the god of rain apparently =). If they can make that car competitive for next season I see him as a strong contender for the title again.
I can't see him lasting another season and I really don't see him ever being in the title hunt again.
Then you're not very well informed. Schumacher will definitely drive another season. His contract lasts till 2012 and he has stated time and time again that he will fulfill it. There's even speculation he will extend it to 2014 or longer.
Apart from that he's a great driver and with the right car he will be a contender again.
I'm talking realistically, untill the last race he's been out qulified/raced by his team mate nearly every race and no one is talking about Nico winning the title. This was suppose to be Merc's big season but they have been unable to beat Ferrari who are the lesser of the two 3 teams atm...
...also Alonso beat Schuy at the end of his career when he was racing much better than he is now... and Alonso has not only gotten better but he has got new friends that can push him in the form of Vettel and Lewis... and I can't see Schuy ever being good enough at this point in time to beat either of those 3 to a title... Merc would have to do a Honda/Braun for that.
Though I really wanted him to get a podium... but yeah I think that this result is probally just a one off and that he wont want to contiune
This wasn't supposed to be Mercedes' big season. They have always been talking about being a title contender for 2012, not 2011. Again you're not very well informed =)
Furthermore Alonso didn't beat Schumacher back then because he was the better driver but because he had a better car. Not saying he's a bad driver, quite the contrary actually. Alonso is one of the best drivers in the field, but he himself says if Schumacher had the right car he would still be winning titles. Google for his interviews if you don't believe me.
Further discussion at this point will lead nowhere. We'll just have to wait and see =)
With Merc its always been oh next year... but yeah I guess its pointless to speculate... though I can't see anyone but McLaren atm being able to beat RedBull... Adrian Newey is imbalanced.
On June 13 2011 19:26 baldgye wrote: With Merc its always been oh next year... but yeah I guess its pointless to speculate... though I can't see anyone but McLaren atm being able to beat RedBull... Adrian Newey is imbalanced.
You don't need to be well informed to see that Schumacher is not even as good a driver as Rosberg, who is himself not nearly as competitive as the likes of Vettel and Hamilton. The guy is in his 40s now and nobody can hold back the sands of time, not even a racing legend.
No one can deny Schumacher's acheivements, but looking at when he was actually winning, he was really the king of getting pole position and then holding off the chasers. He was really great at defending, but now you can't keep faster people behind you anymore (apart from maybe at Monoco). He isn't fast enough in qualifying and he isn't particularly good at overtaking.
With him no longer having the best car in the feild (and he never will again), his chances of winning even another race are slim to none.
Surely Mercedes best chance was the year after Braun won the WC. They had the same team and the same car that had just won the title. Ever since then they have been slipping further and further behind.
On June 13 2011 20:09 deathly rat wrote: You don't need to be well informed to see that Schumacher is not even as good a driver as Rosberg, who is himself not nearly as competitive as the likes of Vettel and Hamilton. The guy is in his 40s now and nobody can hold back the sands of time, not even a racing legend.
No one can deny Schumacher's acheivements, but looking at when he was actually winning, he was really the king of getting pole position and then holding off the chasers. He was really great at defending, but now you can't keep faster people behind you anymore (apart from maybe at Monoco). He isn't fast enough in qualifying and he isn't particularly good at overtaking.
With him no longer having the best car in the feild (and he never will again), his chances of winning even another race are slim to none.
Surely Mercedes best chance was the year after Braun won the WC. They had the same team and the same car that had just won the title. Ever since then they have been slipping further and further behind.
Well the problem with a WC winning team is that they are so focused on winning the last season that they are often not overly competetive at the start of the following season...
On June 13 2011 20:09 deathly rat wrote: You don't need to be well informed to see that Schumacher is not even as good a driver as Rosberg, who is himself not nearly as competitive as the likes of Vettel and Hamilton. The guy is in his 40s now and nobody can hold back the sands of time, not even a racing legend.
No one can deny Schumacher's acheivements, but looking at when he was actually winning, he was really the king of getting pole position and then holding off the chasers. He was really great at defending, but now you can't keep faster people behind you anymore (apart from maybe at Monoco). He isn't fast enough in qualifying and he isn't particularly good at overtaking.
With him no longer having the best car in the feild (and he never will again), his chances of winning even another race are slim to none.
Surely Mercedes best chance was the year after Braun won the WC. They had the same team and the same car that had just won the title. Ever since then they have been slipping further and further behind.
I don't know how closely you follow formula 1, but what you state is absolutely not true. You never know how development from one season to another goes. Remember when Renault came out with a brilliant car and Alonso was untouchable that season? The season before they were not close to the championship.
You can have a brilliant car in a new season and Michael Schumacher is amazingly good at defending and overtaking, but you have to have a good car right now. You fail to realize that with DRS and KERS its much harder to keep the attacker behind you and it will lead to more overtaking, no matter how good you are. If you have a worse car and the disadvantage of not being able to activate DRS for defence purpose - you are going to lose your position.
If you don't believe me, check the situation where MSC was ahead of Webber and easily ~300 meters in front. Webber activated DRS and it looked like MSC is standing. (first attempt, when he cut the corner after)
While I agree that I don't think MSC will be world champion once again, give him an equal car to the Red Bulls and he can fight for the championship again because his drive yesterday was amazing.
He wont win a title while Rosberg is his team-mate no matter how good his car. I dont think he is better than Schumacher was at his prime, but he is vastly superior now. He is also the strongest team-mate he has ever had in his career due to hand picking them. 05 McLaren had the best car too, 06 someone above said the Renault was better than the Ferrari, this isnt true. Alonso earned his titles.
McClaren look set to lose Hamilton to Red Bull in 2013 unless they deliver a faster car in 2012.. I don't usually jump on the rumor mill, but private talks between Horner + Hamilton, plus the fact that both Hamilton and Webber's contracts end at the end of 2012 make it a pretty safe assumption.
On June 13 2011 23:42 NikonTC wrote: McClaren look set to lose Hamilton to Red Bull in 2013 unless they deliver a faster car in 2012.. I don't usually jump on the rumor mill, but private talks between Horner + Hamilton, plus the fact that both Hamilton and Webber's contracts end at the end of 2012 make it a pretty safe assumption.
I think that's more just Lewis and his management trying to push the issue of the car as much as they can aswel as red bull making sure they have someone to replace vettel when he moves to Ferrari.
Red bull won't be on top forever and I think Lewis know this he is just keeping he options open and reminding the team that it's not just a given that he'll stay at mclaren
On June 13 2011 23:42 NikonTC wrote: McClaren look set to lose Hamilton to Red Bull in 2013 unless they deliver a faster car in 2012.. I don't usually jump on the rumor mill, but private talks between Horner + Hamilton, plus the fact that both Hamilton and Webber's contracts end at the end of 2012 make it a pretty safe assumption.
I highly doubt that. 1) They dont pay anywhere near his wage level. 2) His agent would have been talking if it was something like that. 3) McLaren are very important to him, and he considers Red Bull a "drinks company".
Ofcourse the last few years have been frustrating but McLaren will bounce back, they always do. If he did leave, I think it would only be to Ferrari but as Alonso has a 5 year deal and the shitstorm he would kick up if it did happen, he will be at McLaren for the majority of his career. As for Red Bull replacing Webber, I think they will sign Kubica who will do excellent.
On June 13 2011 20:09 deathly rat wrote: You don't need to be well informed to see that Schumacher is not even as good a driver as Rosberg, who is himself not nearly as competitive as the likes of Vettel and Hamilton. The guy is in his 40s now and nobody can hold back the sands of time, not even a racing legend.
No one can deny Schumacher's acheivements, but looking at when he was actually winning, he was really the king of getting pole position and then holding off the chasers. He was really great at defending, but now you can't keep faster people behind you anymore (apart from maybe at Monoco). He isn't fast enough in qualifying and he isn't particularly good at overtaking.
With him no longer having the best car in the feild (and he never will again), his chances of winning even another race are slim to none.
Surely Mercedes best chance was the year after Braun won the WC. They had the same team and the same car that had just won the title. Ever since then they have been slipping further and further behind.
I don't know how closely you follow formula 1, but what you state is absolutely not true. You never know how development from one season to another goes. Remember when Renault came out with a brilliant car and Alonso was untouchable that season? The season before they were not close to the championship.
[/QUOTE] Whilst big leap forwards in technology can occur, for the most part the increase in performance is incremental. So since Braun had a very good car at the end of their winning season, it stands to reason that it was still a competitive car at the beginning of the next. The point is they are getting further away from the leaders, not closer.
On June 13 2011 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote: You can have a brilliant car in a new season and Michael Schumacher is amazingly good at defending and overtaking, but you have to have a good car right now. You fail to realize that with DRS and KERS its much harder to keep the attacker behind you and it will lead to more overtaking, no matter how good you are. If you have a worse car and the disadvantage of not being able to activate DRS for defence purpose - you are going to lose your position.
He was brilliant at defending, but not attacking. Now he is neither. My point was that DRS and KERS make it so that Schumacher's defensive style of driving doesn't work in the current set up. We are both saying this.
On June 13 2011 22:18 mTw|NarutO wrote: While I agree that I don't think MSC will be world champion once again, give him an equal car to the Red Bulls and he can fight for the championship again because his drive yesterday was amazing.
I'm not sure how much you can read into yesterday's race since Button was so much faster than everybody else, but he obviously isn't THAT much better. The circumstances just favoured some drivers more than others.
On inters MSC was the fastest man on the track, after the restart. When everyone switched back to slicks he couldn't anything to hold off the attacks, his inferior car coupled with DRS was the reason.
That being said I don't really care if he is able to win titles, but it would be sad to see him leave F1 again, the sport is going to be a lot less interesting without him.
I really disagree with Schumachers attacking not being good. Its just hard to judge, because he dominated so many races where he didn't even need to overtake, but he also had races where he went from 20 to 1 but that was due to his superior car so..
I guess, give him a good car and he would still be able to race for wins ;-)
Try this, there was a HQ version on YT but the greed of Bernie and his boys knows no limits Its from the start of Hungary 06, a masterclass of overtaking.
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Its from the start of Hungary 06, a masterclass of overtaking.
