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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
June 01 2012 15:49 GMT
#9161
I probably don't know shit but what they taught me during the time I spent playing in our budget army was that our body armor/helmets aren't going to stop rifle bullets, their purpose is to protect you from fragmentation etc.

Of course USA troops have more advanced/expensive gear with energy shielding etc.
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
June 01 2012 22:57 GMT
#9162
On June 02 2012 00:31 Rob28 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 17:58 altered wrote:
About "realism" i have to say that BF3 is not a realistic game and never intended to be one. Its a caricature of war not a photorealistic depiction. If it was realistic every AR would kill in one or two shots up to atleast 300m, definitely if you hit the head. In BF3 you need 3 headshots to kill someone from 8m upwards thats not very realistic too.


I agree with what you were saying about shotguns, but not with this particular paragraph. Obviously BF3 isn't pure realism (it's a game not a simulator), but it does strive to be realistic, and the guns are fairly realistic (except for visible damage... I can guarantee the game gets an AO rating if it realistically showed what happens to a character model with a M98B headshot). But 3 or 4 shots to take someone down is actually pretty accurate. Soldiers have body armor, heads have helmets, etc. There's a reason soldiers wear the stuff. Also, a common misconception is that bullets do way more damage than they do. In reality, bullet wounds are non-fatal about 95% of the time, even to the torso or face. Unless we're talking high caliber, then yes, 1 or 2 ought to do it. But BF3 is definitely one of the more realistic shooters out there, and I think the way they've modelled it does a good job keeping the game both realistic and fun simultaneously, so DICE should at least get some credit for that.

What would be awesome to see though, is character damage reflected in game through injury. Wounded players ought to move slower, or with a limp or something. Or they can't throw grenades as far as normal with an arm/hand injury. Or if they get hit in the head, maybe their vision is all wonky until a medic gets to them or something. That'd be cool.


Im really no expert when it comes to to bullet damage in RL so you might be right. I only know, that about 10 years ago when most of my friends went to swiss army, they were told there that a bullet of the SG550 would kill a person in one shot no matter where they were hit. That was because of the high velocity ammunition that switzerlands army used back then would cause a shock that lead to death. They changed that ammunition a couple years ago because it was considered inhuman to use though. So i guess "nerfs" happen in RL too XD.
Either way BF3 has too much unrealistic mechanics to be called a simulation or realistic. Limitless sprinting, revives, repair, carrying infinite ammo/healthpacks, the spawnsystem, being able to sprint as fast with a mortar ammo and lmg as you can with a smg are just a few of many examples where dice chose to ignore reality for the sake of fun/gameplay/ballance (and im very happy about that).
IMO the only thing that should be unconditionally realistic are graphics otherwise gameplay should always come first.

I agree with Divine-Sneaker that the added bullet spread when supressed is not how the supression effect works in RL but atleast it shares one quality with a RL war szenario: Its not fun.

Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
June 01 2012 23:04 GMT
#9163
On June 02 2012 00:49 Vaelone wrote:
I probably don't know shit but what they taught me during the time I spent playing in our budget army was that our body armor/helmets aren't going to stop rifle bullets, their purpose is to protect you from fragmentation etc.

Of course USA troops have more advanced/expensive gear with energy shielding etc.


LOL
<3 Kim Taeyeon
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 23:11:16
June 01 2012 23:11 GMT
#9164
I agree with Divine-Sneaker that the added bullet spread when supressed is not how the supression effect works in RL but atleast it shares one quality with a RL war szenario: Its not fun.

[/QUOTE]

And why in the world is that a good thing?
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 23:47:41
June 01 2012 23:45 GMT
#9165
On June 02 2012 08:11 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
I agree with Divine-Sneaker that the added bullet spread when supressed is not how the supression effect works in RL but atleast it shares one quality with a RL war szenario: Its not fun.



And why in the world is that a good thing?[/QUOTE]

Its not, its just something i keep saying to myself to calm my rage. Believe me i hate supression as much as you do XD
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
Aeropunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia255 Posts
June 02 2012 09:22 GMT
#9166
This is the best reflection on the realism of games that I've seen in a while


...on that note, I really need to upgrade my PC so I can start playing with friends and stop playing this game on the xbox. I cannot begin to explain to you the lengths of stupidity I have seen from people in this game.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
June 02 2012 11:15 GMT
#9167
On June 02 2012 08:45 altered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 08:11 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
I agree with Divine-Sneaker that the added bullet spread when supressed is not how the supression effect works in RL but atleast it shares one quality with a RL war szenario: Its not fun.



And why in the world is that a good thing?


Its not, its just something i keep saying to myself to calm my rage. Believe me i hate supression as much as you do XD[/QUOTE]

I find it hard to believe :D
I cannot play 1 single round of this game without bitching about suppresion and other broken game mechanics. Quite loudly at that.
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
June 02 2012 13:26 GMT
#9168
On June 02 2012 20:15 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 08:45 altered wrote:
On June 02 2012 08:11 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
I agree with Divine-Sneaker that the added bullet spread when supressed is not how the supression effect works in RL but atleast it shares one quality with a RL war szenario: Its not fun.



And why in the world is that a good thing?


Its not, its just something i keep saying to myself to calm my rage. Believe me i hate supression as much as you do XD


I find it hard to believe :D
I cannot play 1 single round of this game without bitching about suppresion and other broken game mechanics. Quite loudly at that.[/QUOTE]

Well they are going to tone down supression atleast. What i hate even more is the totally broken netcode and all the bullshit that comes with it. Unfortunately this shit is never going to be fixed TT.
Somehow it even gets worse, it seems to me that dice tweaked something and now you get less "die behind cover BS" but get much more "one hit killed by random guns BS".
How i miss those times when games had lan and you could go to a party and play without having to deal with all this latency issues.
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 18:33:18
June 04 2012 18:32 GMT
#9169
http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/ea-e3/ EA, and DICE will have their E3 press conference in 1h and 30min(from now).

As some of you might have noticed -NOTICE Battlelog will be back online during the E3 press conference. Check back at 13:30 PDT/16:30 EST/21:30 GMT/22:30 CEST, soldier.

Im hyped(biggest misstake possible for videogame announcements) for DICE appearance!
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
June 04 2012 18:35 GMT
#9170
On June 05 2012 03:32 WakaDoDo wrote:
http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/ea-e3/ EA, and DICE will have their E3 press conference in 1h and 30min(from now).

As some of you might have noticed -NOTICE Battlelog will be back online during the E3 press conference. Check back at 13:30 PDT/16:30 EST/21:30 GMT/22:30 CEST, soldier.

Im hyped(biggest misstake possible for videogame announcements) for DICE appearance!

Ohhh, now I am too :>

I wonder what they are going to say? I mean EA is going to spout a load of bullshit, but I am interested in DICE.
youtube.com/GamingCyDe-- My totally abandoned youtube channel that I might revisit at some point
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#9171
On June 05 2012 03:35 CyDe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 03:32 WakaDoDo wrote:
http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/ea-e3/ EA, and DICE will have their E3 press conference in 1h and 30min(from now).

As some of you might have noticed -NOTICE Battlelog will be back online during the E3 press conference. Check back at 13:30 PDT/16:30 EST/21:30 GMT/22:30 CEST, soldier.

Im hyped(biggest misstake possible for videogame announcements) for DICE appearance!

Ohhh, now I am too :>

I wonder what they are going to say? I mean EA is going to spout a load of bullshit, but I am interested in DICE.


I would actually love EA forever if their press conference will be something like this:+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDqatJPvOfk
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 20:48:03
June 04 2012 20:39 GMT
#9172
woa, massive face-lift to battlelog!

EDIT: Better Battlelog seems to no longer work after update.
oob
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden630 Posts
June 04 2012 20:41 GMT
#9173
So is it possible to buy Premium in stores or do I have to do it over Origin?
Happiest man on earth
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
June 04 2012 20:52 GMT
#9174
Fucking, premium bullshit.

Whoever thought queue priority was even a concept needs to die in a fire, get revive padded with no option to say no forever and keep dying in the same fires for all eternity. Not fucking kidding.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 22:09:29
June 04 2012 22:00 GMT
#9175
bf series was never about realism O_O like they gave the BAR and enfield to russian soldiers in bf1942 and japanese tanks were equal to sherman were equal to p4, thats just one example. It's always been a gameplay based game, otherwise it wouldn't be fun (if it was realism you'd probably be complaining less about suppression and more about 1s1k's)


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i'd love a reset, but i'm not going to pay for it lol ... I've started playing more LoL and probably GW2 now though so it doesn't effect me since i got bored of bf3 (imo caspian was really the only fun map for every role), but since it includes all the upcoming expansion packs it might be cheaper to get premium if you're going to play bf3 all the time
hihihi
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
June 05 2012 13:44 GMT
#9176
I'll probably buy premium even though I play BF3 sparingly, I usually play for a week every month and then go back to ignoring it, but I do still play it 10 or so months after release
Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
June 05 2012 13:50 GMT
#9177
The thing people need to remember with premium, is that it will actually be cheaper than buying all the DLC's. Most BF3 fans will buy them all anyway, so not only do you save money, you gain a load of extra stuff as well. Not a bad deal imo.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
June 05 2012 17:09 GMT
#9178
The thing me and my buds have been discussing is that buying it makes you look like a faggot. Hands down.
All the random bullshit with "carbonfiber" and stupid underlinings and icons saying "premium player" are just so amazingly sad. If they'd simply release a DLC mappack that'd be my choice. Not going to play any of the CQ maps either, at all due to obvious reasons but I'd like the weapons in case they're overpowered, which some seem like they could be.

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askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
June 06 2012 06:08 GMT
#9179
On June 06 2012 02:09 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
The thing me and my buds have been discussing is that buying it makes you look like a faggot. Hands down.
All the random bullshit with "carbonfiber" and stupid underlinings and icons saying "premium player" are just so amazingly sad. If they'd simply release a DLC mappack that'd be my choice. Not going to play any of the CQ maps either, at all due to obvious reasons but I'd like the weapons in case they're overpowered, which some seem like they could be.


idk if its true but I imagine that all the DLC is cheaper when lumped into the premium package. They're obviously doing this to ensure that people give them money for future content instead of hoping that people still play the game long enough to buy all the content. They're adding the extra incentives as well to imply that just getting the DLC by itself is pointless. I just think the kind of annoying thing is that they're including BtK into it so its like rebuying that DLC which is lame imo

as for the extras... what other people eat doesn't make you shit.
hihihi
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
June 06 2012 11:08 GMT
#9180
What I'd want is simply the option to opt out of all the "extras" that are within all reason, completely useless. I don't want to have bars, icons or anything remotely similar to show that, hey I paid money. It's just stupid and shallow in my opinion. I can see why they did it, but at least if you want to try and compete directly with your main competitor on their strengths, don't screw over the segment of your playerbase that made you able to do so.

All I want is the DLC, non-overpriced, and nothing else.

Ps. harsh expression, I get it. Didn't mean to imply anything,
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