Battlefield 3 - Page 409

On February 13 2012 08:31 altered wrote:
AEK, AS VAL, M4A1 and RPK work best for me without sights. Also i never use anything other than Kobra on ARs and Carbines.
With the AN you can just line up the top of the "Dorito" with the upper edge of the "T" at long and very long distance and you always hit the head if you have heavy barrel equiped. Btw i just got service star 50 with it and cant imagine to switch to any other gun anymore.
I disagree with your statement Teivospy that its garbage in CQC. I think it just has a lower skill floor than a AEK for example. If you can hit two quick bursts to the head constantly you can outgun every other AR, PDW and Carbine. In fact AN-94 is a semi auto sniper rifle with up to 1200rpm.
Also in my experience most of the very close engagements arent decided by who has the better gun but who has the lag advantage. Maybe i just suck big time at CQC but to me it seems as if there is a huge random factor in this situations. One round i kill players who are better than me again and again in the next round i get killed by every gun and player no matter how fast and accurate i aim, with whatever gun and how good my opponent is. This is why i dont really care about the CQC qualities of guns anymore, in the end i feel like i have a 50/50 chance no matter what equipment i have or how good im playing at the moment.
Frontal CQC engagements should be avoided anyway, its much better to flank the enemy or take him out from a longer distance.

On February 13 2012 09:23 askTeivospy wrote:



We can theorycraft all we like but 90% of my battles are face to face close to mid range 1v1/1v2's where a burst fire weapon will never outshine a full auto rifle whos recoil is being controlled. ESPECIALLY when the burst fire weapon is prone to jamming when you try to fire it fast (this is the biggest issue with AN94)

well maybe not 90%, but a significant amount of fights I get into are close range face to face o_O

IMO L85 + no silencer is best close range, but i'ma try M16 after the AEK

On February 13 2012 14:10 Mithhaike wrote:


AN94 does have a tendency to bug out, cant be denied. What i dont like about it about AN94 is 2bullet burst, which means 3 burst to kill someone providing no headshots. I prefer KH2002 as a burst rifle,2burst = 1kill...and it doesnt bug out much.
L85 i did not give it a chance yet, still stuck on the incredibly lousy ironsight(nothing compared to FAMAS tho), but i hear its good.

for assault, the best 3guns in my hands are definitely : M16A3, AEK, KH2002...i roll with those 3 most of the times

On February 13 2012 14:25 Phelix wrote:
So I finally tried out the USAS-12 with frag rounds, I don't see what the fuss is all about to be honest. Mostly people who complain about it must be Metro players, I've tried it on Bazaar for a round, didn't seem that effective. Maybe more testing would dispel my thoughts, but I'd rather run standard buckshot/flechette over frag.

On February 13 2012 08:31 altered wrote:
I disagree with your statement Teivospy that its garbage in CQC. I think it just has a lower skill floor than a AEK for example. If you can hit two quick bursts to the head constantly you can outgun every other AR, PDW and Carbine. In fact AN-94 is a semi auto sniper rifle with up to 1200rpm.

On February 14 2012 02:57 Phelix wrote:
Finally got my 5 service stars for the 93R, and I think the dogtag for it looks awesome. Debating about switching pistols. Tried out USAS-12 with Frag Rounds on Metro, and now I see why everyone complains, along with the M320/Rocket Spam. Just 10 weapons left to unlock every attachment for every gun, then probably go for 5 service stars on most guns.

People like the KH2002 because of the first shot recoil is lower than the M16A4, it makes lining up head shots easier.

My AN-94 play is only reserved on Teheran Highway (More mid-long range combat), ACOG, Foregrip, and Heavy Barrel. It really depends on my mood whether I do well or not during the game; I need to get into a firing rhythm in order for me to do well. To be honest, you're not going to win any competent players in a 2v1 CQB with that; the weapon shines when you have position and awareness.

Yes, the AEK is easy mode, that's why most guides tell you to switch to the AEK once you unlock it to farm the first Assault service star. That gun is literally spray and pray, as you can't really control the horizontal recoil (it's equal to the left and right).

On February 14 2012 07:49 altered wrote:
@Rob:
1200 rpm are 20 shots a second, so with a two round burst you have to click 10 times a second to achieve that. its still hard to do but probably possible. I just did a mouse click speed test and had an average of 6.6 clicks per second over 50 clicks. So i guess its possible to average atleast 8cps over 5 clicks, wich still would result in 960rpm. Its true that AN94 jams a lot but it has been announced that this will get fixed in the next patch. If they also buff the heavy barrel like its rumored i will be the happiest bf3 player.
The KH2002 is a nice gun for longrange engagements mainly because it has a very low first shot recoil multiplier and high bullet speed. I used it quite a lot (almost 20 service stars) before i switched to the AN94 and its still the gun that i have the highest headshot kill % with for some reason. The gun works fine with a 4x scope too since it is pretty accurate when unzoomed compared to other ARs, so you still have a "out" when you have to engage up close but have a slow scope equipped.

@Teivospy:
You are right with what you say about theorycrafting with stats, assume perfect aim and reaction time is kinda useless. If you compare it to starcraft its a little bit like the people who argue wich race is the best when its used by a player with perfect mechanics and limitless APM, wich no one has.
The gun you use has to fit your playstyle and if you really engage opponents in short to medium distances 90% of the time you are probably better of with a AEK or FAMAS. Although i think you exagerated a bit here and/or have other definitions of short and medium than i do.
Also i cant understand why you think L85 is the best gun close up (judging by stats only), since it only has 650 rpm, a high reload time and a relatively high first shot recoil multiplier. The only thing that its good at in CQC is that it has low spread while moving (zoomed and unzoomed) but if that is what you like you should go with the F2000. The MP7, P90, PDW or pretty much any carbine would do the job too if it doesnt need to be a AR.
The fact that you like the L85 also demonstrates how the feel of a gun somtimes is more important than the raw stats. In my case AN94 feels best (probably because, like BeManner said, its the only AR that actually shoots exactly where you aim) and the stats of my performance with it back that up. My KDR, SPM, Accuracy, KPM (even W/L ratio) are by far the highest when i use the AN94 even on CQC maps like Bazaar or Seine.
What i also want to point out is that high ROF full auto guns have only a real advantage at <20m engagements because at higher distances you need to burst fire anyway to have maximum efficiency in a game like BF3, where the spread increase in full auto is quite high. Otherwise all the high level players would use FAMAS (1000rpm) but the most used weapon is the M16A3 (800rpm). This is because the M16 has a much easier recoil pattern to control (very low horizontal recoil) and the lowest reload time. A high ROF is worthless if half of the bullets dont hit.

On February 14 2012 20:01 Jochan wrote:
Where is this new DLC announcement, arghhhhh? It was suppose to be last week, come on, daddy needs his new BF3 fix ! I am totally gay for BF3 right now, I won't paste it but my situation with BF3 can be summed up with Futurama's Fry meme "Shut up and take my money". I love this game and I want more of it.

On February 14 2012 07:49 altered wrote:
Also i cant understand why you think L85 is the best gun close up (judging by stats only), since it only has 650 rpm, a high reload time and a relatively high first shot recoil multiplier. The only thing that its good at in CQC is that it has low spread while moving (zoomed and unzoomed) but if that is what you like you should go with the F2000. The MP7, P90, PDW or pretty much any carbine would do the job too if it doesnt need to be a AR.

On February 15 2012 00:28 procyonlotor wrote:
Is there a way to get a preview of the map balance before joining a server? Most servers I join are so one-sided the game doesn't even have any meaning. It's becoming pointless.