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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On November 14 2011 14:58 DoubleZee wrote: Hopefully it's a 90%+ reduction. How does something like that even make it past alpha testing? Tac Light Before + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MkPxR.jpg) Tac Light After + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z3E6I.jpg) http://twitter.com/#!/Demize99/status/133891163617898497 | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On November 14 2011 14:29 skyrunner wrote: So the M16A3 is better than the M416? Haven't really compared but to me they seem exactly the same, M16A3 has slightly faster rate of fire i see, but it's about the same. Only thing that really bothers me in the game is mortars and to some extent flashlights. Can't see why they should be in the game -_- Also what pistol is generally considered the best? I feel like I'm posting this once every few pages, but: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ag42gMGK9WrwdHRfa0JhdW9TR1E0bjBueWVSQjc0V0E&f=true&noheader=false&gid=0 is a community-tested compilation of the weapon stats. There's likely to be some errors in it (demize99 has stated the AEK is actually 900 rpm, for example), and we have no recoil information or general validation until someone like denkirkson pulls the actual numbers from the encrypted game files, but it's useful to go off. By the numbers, almost all the assault rifles have the same damage profile. The only differences are in rpm and accuracy, so the 416's slower fire rate is fairly important. Faster rpm directly translates to a better ttk, meaning the (non-coop) ARs in order of straight killing power are AEK (at 900rpm) > F2k > M16 > M416 > AK74M > AN94. It is interesting, though, that a lot of people seem to prefer guns like the M416, which are pretty crap by the numbers alone. That suggests to me that DICE has done quite a good job of balancing with non-damage factors, which is in itself an achievement. It's only the real power weapons (AEK, F2k, SCAR) that come out noticeably stronger. For pistols, the G17C is generally considered the fastest, but if you don't like the in-built laser they're all pretty much the same. The one thing to note is that you should always use the suppressed version if you have it; it seems like pistol suppressors actually increase damage at range. | ||
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Latham
9576 Posts
On November 14 2011 15:53 Skullflower wrote: Tac Light Before + Show Spoiler + Tac Light After + Show Spoiler + http://twitter.com/#!/Demize99/status/133891163617898497 About goddamn fucking time something got done right. Now just tweak the IRNV scope so I don't feel like I'm wallhacking when I use it. | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
Add me, I'm chocopaw ingame as well. | ||
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TunaBarrett
Sweden1045 Posts
On November 14 2011 16:21 Belisarius wrote: I feel like I'm posting this once every few pages, but: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ag42gMGK9WrwdHRfa0JhdW9TR1E0bjBueWVSQjc0V0E&f=true&noheader=false&gid=0 is a community-tested compilation of the weapon stats. There's likely to be some errors in it (demize99 has stated the AEK is actually 900 rpm, for example), and we have no recoil information or general validation until someone like denkirkson pulls the actual numbers from the encrypted game files, but it's useful to go off. By the numbers, almost all the assault rifles have the same damage profile. The only differences are in rpm and accuracy, so the 416's slower fire rate is fairly important. Faster rpm directly translates to a better ttk, meaning the (non-coop) ARs in order of straight killing power are AEK (at 900rpm) > F2k > M16 > M416 > AK74M > AN94. It is interesting, though, that a lot of people seem to prefer guns like the M416, which are pretty crap by the numbers alone. That suggests to me that DICE has done quite a good job of balancing with non-damage factors, which is in itself an achievement. It's only the real power weapons (AEK, F2k, SCAR) that come out noticeably stronger. For pistols, the G17C is generally considered the fastest, but if you don't like the in-built laser they're all pretty much the same. The one thing to note is that you should always use the suppressed version if you have it; it seems like pistol suppressors actually increase damage at range. Tac lights on pistols are was superior, never have it on any of my main weps so its not to have there :E | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
For pistols, I personally prefer the G18 on close quarters maps like bazaar or metro, mainly for when I get clustered into a group of "revivers" in a choke-point. The full-auto capability is really good for when you are on the ground after just being revived and need to clear out a bit of space fast to stand up properly. Otherwise, G17 supressed or tac light is the way to go, depending on your personal preference (I too use tac light as I don't use it on my main gun, but that'll probably change once tac gets nerfed). For the IRNV scope, taking it out of the game entirely is going to piss off more than a few people. What I think would be a better solution is to nerf the distance it can detect heat signatures from, depending on the power of the heat source (ie. vehicles with engines can be seen from farther away than people, and people can be detected only at a range of like 30m or something). Another idea is that it doesn't zoom at all, but rather acts like a sight that limits your area of visibility (it has to be enclosed after all because of how it works in real life, not like an open RDS). As for engies, yeah... maybe give them like 1 or 2 AT mines max (those things are too forgiving), and nerf that SCAR. Engineers shouldn't be able to go toe-to-toe with assault classes at range... that's why they were given explosives and the ability to take out vehicles sans effort. I also have a question: what's the best PDW? I personally like PDW-R with extended mags (because it needs it) for close quarters, but I know most people use the PP2000... is there a reason for that other than the PP being OP in the beta? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32134 Posts
The explosion perk is kind of high with 9 rockets, but you need a lot to take down vehicles efficiently, and you don't get flak so you're more vulnerable to rockets yourself. I started doing more supply the last few days... on certain maps, that thing is awesome if you pick a good corner and cover your ass with claymores. Sienne and Metro on rush is like a murderer's row woooooweeeee | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
Default ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0kRFHh.jpg) Spec Ops ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YBtaZh.jpg) | ||
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zoltanium
Australia171 Posts
On November 15 2011 01:52 Hawk wrote: People are still calling for the banning of the infared?? What a bunch of babies. I don't see why it needs to be nerfed at all. It's not an auto 50-10 k:d like everyone makes it out to be. It's a fair reward for grinding away at one gun forever. Grinding away on a gun? Only if you are a daddy gamer, shouldnt take someone more than an hour of playtime to unlock it for a gun. And are you actually serious on why people think its OP/needs to be nerfed? Its a bullshit unlock that basically gives you your own cham hack. Because of all the ridiculous clutter and debris and washed out graphics its pretty much a requirement, there is no tactical 'choice' between any of the scopes when you have the irnv. eg pushing onto market on bazaar, without the IRNV people could be hiding anywhere amongst that clutter. If you have the IRNV you can just quickly scope and have a quick scan for orange parts. Reduces the overall skill of infantry waaaaaay too much. | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
“This week we’ve banned hundreds of offending accounts and have stats-wiped accounts for exploiting (such as boosting)…” DICE said on Twitter. The stat wipes are apparently connected to the EOD Bot exploit that allowed players to get thousands of XP points with no effort. “To report players cheating or boosting send us a direct message to this Twitter with a screen shot of the Battle Log Report,” the developer asks. Source | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On November 15 2011 01:55 Skullflower wrote: Just use Spec Ops camo? Default Spec Ops It seems pretty obvious regardless of spec ops camo I haven't used IRNV scope though, so it might be different at range maybe | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On November 15 2011 07:04 askTeivospy wrote: It seems pretty obvious regardless of spec ops camo I haven't used IRNV scope though, so it might be different at range maybe Spec Ops doesn't do much, actually - the most important enemies to spot are the ones facing in your direction, i.e. the ones that can kill you, and that's still a piece of cake. I found 2 ways to counter the IRNV effectively, but both are...lame. ^^ 1) Flashlight. I don't use it, but >90% of people run it, and at the 10-30m range it's impossible to hit them accurately. (Anything less and I just spray them down lol) 2) Fires/vehicles/etc... Ever seen Westworld/Predator? Yeah, the trick works in BF3 as well - just stand against a "warm" background. This will cancel out the orange triangle over your head, and make you very hard to spot for an IRNV-user. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Both of the most recent CoDs had them, and they weren't broken at all. They were annoying on big sniper rifles because they still felt like ezmode, but they weren't anywhere near the level of the BF3 ones. Also lol at the guy saying it's fine because it's hard to get. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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Little Rage Box
United States84 Posts
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
to put it another way, currently sniper scopes act as an "IRNV" for the other player. Makes it too obvious | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
I know a lot of people are saying SCAR-H rocks, but personally i cant stand using SCAR-H. The recoil(which i know can be handled with the correct setup) and the low ammo clip makes it just...not my gun  i think DICE has done a great job of making guns having different feel from each other, to fit your own play style.IR scope needs to be nerfed. its just a maphack. there's no point attempting to take cover using camo, because on IR scope, your standing out like the sun I am happy that the tact light is being nerfed. its too effective for what it does. I personally run with Suppressive Fire perk/ Tact light on my main gun. with the additional suppressive fire effect + tact light, its rare that i will lose in a close-medium range fight. its just too effective. i also think scope glare should be nerfed. right now the scope glare for sniper rifles feel like their a tact light at far range. there's no way you wouldnt know where the sniper is just by looking for the scope glare....its too obvious. im lucky that i finished my Recon Service star.... now its time to go play on Engineer | ||
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chambanog
35 Posts
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