Battlefield 3 - Page 342

On November 16 2011 02:35 Fumble wrote:
Its kind of like how people claim the SCAR is broken but I dont really think its op either (though tbh, im more on the border on this one). SCAR is getting nerfed regardless though. SCAR is not my style but it definitely is a good gun. For my engineer, i use the SG553 which is the co op gun. I prefer it over the SCAR so far. I havent given the AN-91 or that G3C gun or whatever its called a fair shot yet though.

On November 16 2011 04:34 ChrisXIV wrote:


SCAR-H itself isn't broken. Standing alone it's "just" a really good gun, like the AEK/F2000.

But it's on the engineer class. Now you have the class, that specializes in taking down vehicles, and give it one of the best guns in the game. Suddenly the assault class is reduced to reviving and healing, because for everything else, why not pick engineer?

On November 16 2011 04:34 ChrisXIV wrote:
SCAR-H itself isn't broken. Standing alone it's "just" a really good gun, like the AEK/F2000.

But it's on the engineer class. Now you have the class, that specializes in taking down vehicles, and give it one of the best guns in the game. Suddenly the assault class is reduced to reviving and healing, because for everything else, why not pick engineer?

On November 16 2011 04:34 ChrisXIV wrote:
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SCAR-H itself isn't broken. Standing alone it's "just" a really good gun, like the AEK/F2000.

But it's on the engineer class. Now you have the class, that specializes in taking down vehicles, and give it one of the best guns in the game. Suddenly the assault class is reduced to reviving and healing, because for everything else, why not pick engineer?

On November 16 2011 05:38 Fumble wrote:


Assault use assault rifles, engineer uses carbine. In close-mid range, their guns dont have much difference. Its the long range where assault rifles really shine over carbine. SCAR at the end of the day does not do as well long range compared to any of the guns you have as an assault class.

That to me is a really big selling point for assault class. Their primary weapon functions well across all tables, close, mid and long range.

On November 16 2011 05:38 Fumble wrote:


Assault use assault rifles, engineer uses carbine. In close-mid range, their guns dont have much difference. Its the long range where assault rifles really shine over carbine. SCAR at the end of the day does not do as well long range compared to any of the guns you have as an assault class.

That to me is a really big selling point for assault class. Their primary weapon functions well across all tables, close, mid and long range.

On November 16 2011 02:35 Fumble wrote:
In my opinion, INRV does not need to be nerfed. I used it for a bit when I unlocked it and tried it out on various situations for limited amounts of time but quickly changed back to other scopes. I remember way back my friend was telling me how good INRV (although he was not claiming it to be as godly as you guys make it out to be) and I was under the impression it would allow you to see through smoke and all that crap.

None the less when I finally started using it, its merely just a tool for people that are not use to the clutter of battlefield 3. I guess I can kind of understand the utility of it if you have difficulty spotting campers when they are hiding under debris. Hell Im sure everybody has walked by an enemy within thinking it was already a dead corpse or you completely cannot see him at all due to a broken piece of wall covering 80% of his body. But I wouldnt trade it for any of the other scopes that gives you real sniping ability or better and easier aim up close.

However there are some good uses for it. For instance in operation firestorm, in the dark warehouses. Sometimes some dude will be in the upper floor ready to snipe your partner's head off. A quick scan of the INRV will quickly reveal what would take much more attention to find otherwise. But i dont really think it op at all especially given that there are tools like the MAV, t-ugs, tanks can unlock motion sensors and spotting.

On November 16 2011 06:31 Sm3agol wrote:

AS well. It is still bloody well competitive with any assault rifles, which it should not be. An engi should only be able to compete with an assaults firepower at really close range. Heck, in most class based games, the engi types get shotguns and super short range/high rpm sub-machine guns. In this game engis get an amazing 9 rockets(with perk), a frags nade, AT mines, and a carbine that is better than all but a few GUNS in the game, much less rifles. That is a HECK of a lot of utility, considering how "niche" the other classes are. Engis are the only class which can literally take on anything in the game, almost evenly, at all but very long ranges.

This being said, the classes aren't specialized enough that any one kit/class really seems OP. A good player can dominate with just about anything in the game. It's just that the engi has the most options for point whoring in the entire game.

On November 16 2011 09:15 Fumble wrote:


Yea but the entire point of condensing it into 4 classes was to make it so that all 4 classes were capable in their own right and werent pigeon holed into one niche role. Every role can go out and be aggressive. Hell, you equip the UMP-45 (which is a pretty good weapon) on recon and all of a sudden you got a front line recon player.

Your main argument is that engineer is anti tank while being only on par with assault in their primary weapon. For one, i think assault is slightly better in choice of weapons compared to engineer, not by much but slightly. Secondly the defibrillator is a very good tool which many players would trade up for the bazooka. Med pack is also decent but its very situational. You can trade it for assualt class' grenade launcher for a weak anti tank solution. Though I dont. I heard the smoke grenades are amazing though which i think you unlock after 20 kills with the grenade launcher.

Med pack vs repair tool. I think overall the repair tool has a bigger effect on a game as a good tank with a engineer as gunner/tank repairer is unstoppable. But obviously it serves no use if your not in a vehicle. Pretty situational which one is better. I'll give the edge to repair tool but sometimes the med pack is really awesome.

Bazooka vs defibrillator. No other class can revive someone and it is crucial if you are actually running as a squad. It is also greatly magnified in effect when only squad leader spawn is allowed. Bazooka is just what most ppl want to pick because they look offense oriented gadgets as opposed to being the bitch healer.

Why do you need to be a class that takes on everything in a team game? I play assault 75% of the time and eng 25% of the time. There are plenty of times where when defending or even attacking, i could of sniped someone off with my assault rifle but I didnt bother with my carbine as it would just reveal my position without assuring a kill. Which is why I prefer assault more. I dont think any class is overpowered. I think they all have their uses. Though if i were to make an entire team 1 class, i would make it engineer in conquest/rush since there will inevitably be vehicles. In death match or any of the squad modes, i would pick assault.

On November 16 2011 09:35 Belisarius wrote:
Public service announcement: supports! -ing THROW AMMO. If I'm trying to have sex with your face while jumping, knifing and shooting you with my pistol, you're not doing your job.

If I do that for a full minute, and then you run off and get run over by a tank, and then I die because I can't use my primary and I shot all my pistol rounds into your dumb ass, I hope there's a special circle of hell reserved just for you.

On November 16 2011 09:35 Belisarius wrote:
Public service announcement: supports! -ing THROW AMMO. If I'm trying to have sex with your face while jumping, knifing and shooting you with my pistol, you're not doing your job.

If I do that for a full minute, and then you run off and get run over by a tank, and then I die because I can't use my primary and I shot all my pistol rounds into your dumb ass, I hope there's a special circle of hell reserved just for you.

IRNV is highly comparable to a concept like auto-inject larva. It doesn't make you unbeatable - Nestea could still turn it off and obliterate everyone - but it makes the game so much easier that you may as well use it, and that's bad design. It doesn't really matter whether you can personally convince yourself not to.

On an aside, add iinsomlol too battlelog and we can play =)