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This game is quite fun. Level 35 Bosmer Archer here. Sneak es OP.
edit: not gonna lie, this post was motivated 99% to get the 10,000th reply.
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On January 01 2012 10:43 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 10:27 Highwinds wrote:On January 01 2012 07:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 06:47 PeZuY wrote:
I've been facing boredom in this game since it seems to be so easy no matter what I do, I tried to be mage turned out too easy for me in masters, same happend with archer/assassin and now I've been currently playing with orc with heavy armor and with 2h axe. Any suggestions what would be hardest way to play this game? My main char is a mage. Try the following: -Master difficulty, obviously -Don't craft gear -Minimize fast traveling -Don't quicksave, and press tab to autosave periodically while traversing open ground. -Don't use armor as a mage, wear robes of some kind and use alteration to provide armor. -No perk points into the crafting trees (Alchemy, enchanting, smithing). For reference, daedric gear starts appearing in the game around lvl 47, and if you craft daedric armor/weapons before that, the game is easier than it should be. -Minimize use of quest markers (some quests don't explicitly tell you where to go and require you to use the marker to know, even though the destination is not supposed to be a secret) -No followers, including conjured followers -Get the deadly dragons mod here. -There are other balance/difficulty mods out there. Someone recently posted about mods called PISE and duke's combat mod, which make combat much more fun. I was unable to locate duke's combat mod. Despite all of the above limitations (minus the mods, I don't have those yet) the game is still quite easy. I had a bit of trouble with ice wolves, snow bears, and snowy sabertooths at low levels, but now ancient dragons are the only issue (they one-hit me, I have magic absorb instead of resist and that doesn't work on dragon breath for some reason). All enemies that scaled beyond level 20 can kill me in two to three hits. If I don't have ebonyflesh on, random archers can one hit kill me. Try this and let me know how challenging it is :D I did all of this my first playthrough without knowing how hard the game would be (except for the dragon mod) Game was hard as hell when i focused only on destruction in robes not even using alteration for armor lol. Then my 2nd play i made a guy with smithing.... OMG the game is easy when you do that. Oh it's not that bad, come on. I made it to lvl 74, and I use magic half the time while using bow or sword/shield the other half of the time. Without armor. I went up to 500 hp and put the rest into magicka. Here's my perk build: IGN Perk BuilderLink for duke's combat mod please?
You took all five ranks of shield wall, but not elemental protection or block runner? this is madness
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This game looks so good ... too good. I'm concerned that I'll get totally lost in it, play far too much, and just not spend my time in the most fulfilling manner. Please someone assure me I'm wrong.
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@Teejing
I cant use "Find" option in UI mod. I write, but nothing happens. (I play with keyboard, not controller)
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On January 01 2012 15:28 Teejing wrote:PS: i once tried to play a mage. Went without enchant and no light/heavy armor and i got destroyed so hard it made me stop playing him. I was 100hp 300 mana mage who would conjur his fire demon girl, but when a single arrow could drop me to 5% it got maddening. Even worse how can you use destruction magic without abusing the famous -100% spellcast enchantments? When i shot some fire/ice bolts i did run out of mana after 1-2 enemies. After i finished the main Quest with my warrior i sure as hell will try to get a mage though the mage quests again ! Late entry mod: better looking blood http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=60#content
Thanks for the mod links, I'm about to try them out. If you're going pure mage you can't just go all out magicka. I went 1:1 health to magicka, and once I ran out of magicka I would revert to a sword/shield. Also, the expert destruction spells are extremely cost inefficient, and as such I was stuck using firebolts and fireballs the whole game. At 500 hp I still get one shotted pretty often, though...but it's part of the fun lol.
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Some ways to not get one shotted as a mage would be to learn those skin spells. They actually do a lot. Also, I found sneaking around a dungeon and just throwing flame atronachs into rooms then hiding around the corner very effective. Just do it again when it dies and it should clean the whole room up for you.
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On January 01 2012 16:00 bITt.mAN wrote:
This game looks so good ... too good. I'm concerned that I'll get totally lost in it, play far too much, and just not spend my time in the most fulfilling manner. Please someone assure me I'm wrong.
You will pretty much get totally lost in it if you haven't got some self-restraint (or just more important things to do). I know I got totally lost in Morrowind a few years ago, but I allowed myself to since it was a lesson-free week after the exams. I played pretty much all day long.
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On January 01 2012 15:28 Teejing wrote:
PS:
i once tried to play a mage. Went without enchant and no light/heavy armor and i got destroyed so hard it made me stop playing him. I was 100hp 300 mana mage who would conjur his fire demon girl, but when a single arrow could drop me to 5% it got maddening.
Even worse how can you use destruction magic without abusing the famous -100% spellcast enchantments? When i shot some fire/ice bolts i did run out of mana after 1-2 enemies.
Assuming you don't enchant your way to free spells, you will be doing a lot of hiding, kiting, dodging and waiting for mana. Tougher monsters will take much more than your mana pool to kill so you are going to have to wait around if you plan to rely totally on spells. Summoned creatures before you get dremora lords can't really stand up to a ebon weapon wielding draugr deathlord, so you are down to kiting a lot.
You can also train yourself to be very good at dodging blows at melee and arrows as well when you play a cloth mage that gets 1 or 2 shot from most harder things. Sidestepping melee attacks, sprinting past a power attack, strafing arrows at a corner and so on, good to know how to.
It sort of does break the immersion of the game when you have to corner hug or run around pillars while regenerating mana to kill tough stuff. I'd point the main offender being higher level destruction spells not being mana efficient enough to be worth casting over bolt spells.
Then again leading a named draugr around a dungeon to a spikewall trap and stunning it on the trigger and seeing it smashed to the wall is sort of satisfying as well, as is fus ro dahing something off a long steep stairway down and they lose half their hp at the end of the fall :p
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I played a battle mage type on masters where I wore heavy armor and used conjuring/destruction. Conjured sword for my one hand till I got a one hander better(I delayed for a long time, was fun using conjured sword), no shield. No crafting. Pretty much only used Destro for ranged\pulling\opening etc Because without any mana cost reduction I could not afford it really. That did kind of suck. Was certainly harder than my sneak archer but completely doable. But it was more like playing a onehander with no shield who had a follower. haha. Not a true mage.
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On January 01 2012 15:59 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 10:43 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 10:27 Highwinds wrote:On January 01 2012 07:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 06:47 PeZuY wrote:
I've been facing boredom in this game since it seems to be so easy no matter what I do, I tried to be mage turned out too easy for me in masters, same happend with archer/assassin and now I've been currently playing with orc with heavy armor and with 2h axe. Any suggestions what would be hardest way to play this game? My main char is a mage. Try the following: -Master difficulty, obviously -Don't craft gear -Minimize fast traveling -Don't quicksave, and press tab to autosave periodically while traversing open ground. -Don't use armor as a mage, wear robes of some kind and use alteration to provide armor. -No perk points into the crafting trees (Alchemy, enchanting, smithing). For reference, daedric gear starts appearing in the game around lvl 47, and if you craft daedric armor/weapons before that, the game is easier than it should be. -Minimize use of quest markers (some quests don't explicitly tell you where to go and require you to use the marker to know, even though the destination is not supposed to be a secret) -No followers, including conjured followers -Get the deadly dragons mod here. -There are other balance/difficulty mods out there. Someone recently posted about mods called PISE and duke's combat mod, which make combat much more fun. I was unable to locate duke's combat mod. Despite all of the above limitations (minus the mods, I don't have those yet) the game is still quite easy. I had a bit of trouble with ice wolves, snow bears, and snowy sabertooths at low levels, but now ancient dragons are the only issue (they one-hit me, I have magic absorb instead of resist and that doesn't work on dragon breath for some reason). All enemies that scaled beyond level 20 can kill me in two to three hits. If I don't have ebonyflesh on, random archers can one hit kill me. Try this and let me know how challenging it is :D I did all of this my first playthrough without knowing how hard the game would be (except for the dragon mod) Game was hard as hell when i focused only on destruction in robes not even using alteration for armor lol. Then my 2nd play i made a guy with smithing.... OMG the game is easy when you do that. Oh it's not that bad, come on. I made it to lvl 74, and I use magic half the time while using bow or sword/shield the other half of the time. Without armor. I went up to 500 hp and put the rest into magicka. Here's my perk build: IGN Perk BuilderLink for duke's combat mod please? You took all five ranks of shield wall, but not elemental protection or block runner? this is madness
I'm a mage. Why would I need to run while blocking? Also, I have 80% magic absorb due to atronach stone + atronach perk, and I have Spellbreaker, the shield that blocks all magic and dragon breath.
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On January 02 2012 03:29 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 15:59 Mindcrime wrote:On January 01 2012 10:43 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 10:27 Highwinds wrote:On January 01 2012 07:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 06:47 PeZuY wrote:
I've been facing boredom in this game since it seems to be so easy no matter what I do, I tried to be mage turned out too easy for me in masters, same happend with archer/assassin and now I've been currently playing with orc with heavy armor and with 2h axe. Any suggestions what would be hardest way to play this game? My main char is a mage. Try the following: -Master difficulty, obviously -Don't craft gear -Minimize fast traveling -Don't quicksave, and press tab to autosave periodically while traversing open ground. -Don't use armor as a mage, wear robes of some kind and use alteration to provide armor. -No perk points into the crafting trees (Alchemy, enchanting, smithing). For reference, daedric gear starts appearing in the game around lvl 47, and if you craft daedric armor/weapons before that, the game is easier than it should be. -Minimize use of quest markers (some quests don't explicitly tell you where to go and require you to use the marker to know, even though the destination is not supposed to be a secret) -No followers, including conjured followers -Get the deadly dragons mod here. -There are other balance/difficulty mods out there. Someone recently posted about mods called PISE and duke's combat mod, which make combat much more fun. I was unable to locate duke's combat mod. Despite all of the above limitations (minus the mods, I don't have those yet) the game is still quite easy. I had a bit of trouble with ice wolves, snow bears, and snowy sabertooths at low levels, but now ancient dragons are the only issue (they one-hit me, I have magic absorb instead of resist and that doesn't work on dragon breath for some reason). All enemies that scaled beyond level 20 can kill me in two to three hits. If I don't have ebonyflesh on, random archers can one hit kill me. Try this and let me know how challenging it is :D I did all of this my first playthrough without knowing how hard the game would be (except for the dragon mod) Game was hard as hell when i focused only on destruction in robes not even using alteration for armor lol. Then my 2nd play i made a guy with smithing.... OMG the game is easy when you do that. Oh it's not that bad, come on. I made it to lvl 74, and I use magic half the time while using bow or sword/shield the other half of the time. Without armor. I went up to 500 hp and put the rest into magicka. Here's my perk build: IGN Perk BuilderLink for duke's combat mod please? You took all five ranks of shield wall, but not elemental protection or block runner? this is madness I'm a mage. Why would I need to run while blocking? Also, I have 80% magic absorb due to atronach stone + atronach perk, and I have Spellbreaker, the shield that blocks all magic and dragon breath.
but you needed to spend 4 perks to improve your blocking a measly 20%?
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On January 02 2012 03:51 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 03:29 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 15:59 Mindcrime wrote:On January 01 2012 10:43 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 10:27 Highwinds wrote:On January 01 2012 07:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 06:47 PeZuY wrote:
I've been facing boredom in this game since it seems to be so easy no matter what I do, I tried to be mage turned out too easy for me in masters, same happend with archer/assassin and now I've been currently playing with orc with heavy armor and with 2h axe. Any suggestions what would be hardest way to play this game? My main char is a mage. Try the following: -Master difficulty, obviously -Don't craft gear -Minimize fast traveling -Don't quicksave, and press tab to autosave periodically while traversing open ground. -Don't use armor as a mage, wear robes of some kind and use alteration to provide armor. -No perk points into the crafting trees (Alchemy, enchanting, smithing). For reference, daedric gear starts appearing in the game around lvl 47, and if you craft daedric armor/weapons before that, the game is easier than it should be. -Minimize use of quest markers (some quests don't explicitly tell you where to go and require you to use the marker to know, even though the destination is not supposed to be a secret) -No followers, including conjured followers -Get the deadly dragons mod here. -There are other balance/difficulty mods out there. Someone recently posted about mods called PISE and duke's combat mod, which make combat much more fun. I was unable to locate duke's combat mod. Despite all of the above limitations (minus the mods, I don't have those yet) the game is still quite easy. I had a bit of trouble with ice wolves, snow bears, and snowy sabertooths at low levels, but now ancient dragons are the only issue (they one-hit me, I have magic absorb instead of resist and that doesn't work on dragon breath for some reason). All enemies that scaled beyond level 20 can kill me in two to three hits. If I don't have ebonyflesh on, random archers can one hit kill me. Try this and let me know how challenging it is :D I did all of this my first playthrough without knowing how hard the game would be (except for the dragon mod) Game was hard as hell when i focused only on destruction in robes not even using alteration for armor lol. Then my 2nd play i made a guy with smithing.... OMG the game is easy when you do that. Oh it's not that bad, come on. I made it to lvl 74, and I use magic half the time while using bow or sword/shield the other half of the time. Without armor. I went up to 500 hp and put the rest into magicka. Here's my perk build: IGN Perk BuilderLink for duke's combat mod please? You took all five ranks of shield wall, but not elemental protection or block runner? this is madness I'm a mage. Why would I need to run while blocking? Also, I have 80% magic absorb due to atronach stone + atronach perk, and I have Spellbreaker, the shield that blocks all magic and dragon breath. but you needed to spend 4 perks to improve your blocking a measly 20%?
Yes, since I have no armor. It improves it 40% by the way. It makes a huge difference considering how much damage attacks do normally.
Anyway, what would you have put the perks into? Don't say conjuration, alchemy, enchanting, or smithing. I also prefer to avoid perks that don't benefit me in combat. The pickpocket perks were an exception.
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On January 02 2012 04:27 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 03:51 Mindcrime wrote:On January 02 2012 03:29 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 15:59 Mindcrime wrote:On January 01 2012 10:43 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 10:27 Highwinds wrote:On January 01 2012 07:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 06:47 PeZuY wrote:
I've been facing boredom in this game since it seems to be so easy no matter what I do, I tried to be mage turned out too easy for me in masters, same happend with archer/assassin and now I've been currently playing with orc with heavy armor and with 2h axe. Any suggestions what would be hardest way to play this game? My main char is a mage. Try the following: -Master difficulty, obviously -Don't craft gear -Minimize fast traveling -Don't quicksave, and press tab to autosave periodically while traversing open ground. -Don't use armor as a mage, wear robes of some kind and use alteration to provide armor. -No perk points into the crafting trees (Alchemy, enchanting, smithing). For reference, daedric gear starts appearing in the game around lvl 47, and if you craft daedric armor/weapons before that, the game is easier than it should be. -Minimize use of quest markers (some quests don't explicitly tell you where to go and require you to use the marker to know, even though the destination is not supposed to be a secret) -No followers, including conjured followers -Get the deadly dragons mod here. -There are other balance/difficulty mods out there. Someone recently posted about mods called PISE and duke's combat mod, which make combat much more fun. I was unable to locate duke's combat mod. Despite all of the above limitations (minus the mods, I don't have those yet) the game is still quite easy. I had a bit of trouble with ice wolves, snow bears, and snowy sabertooths at low levels, but now ancient dragons are the only issue (they one-hit me, I have magic absorb instead of resist and that doesn't work on dragon breath for some reason). All enemies that scaled beyond level 20 can kill me in two to three hits. If I don't have ebonyflesh on, random archers can one hit kill me. Try this and let me know how challenging it is :D I did all of this my first playthrough without knowing how hard the game would be (except for the dragon mod) Game was hard as hell when i focused only on destruction in robes not even using alteration for armor lol. Then my 2nd play i made a guy with smithing.... OMG the game is easy when you do that. Oh it's not that bad, come on. I made it to lvl 74, and I use magic half the time while using bow or sword/shield the other half of the time. Without armor. I went up to 500 hp and put the rest into magicka. Here's my perk build: IGN Perk BuilderLink for duke's combat mod please? You took all five ranks of shield wall, but not elemental protection or block runner? this is madness I'm a mage. Why would I need to run while blocking? Also, I have 80% magic absorb due to atronach stone + atronach perk, and I have Spellbreaker, the shield that blocks all magic and dragon breath. but you needed to spend 4 perks to improve your blocking a measly 20%? Yes, since I have no armor. It improves it 40% by the way. It makes a huge difference considering how much damage attacks do normally.
The first perk improves it 20%. The last 4 perks combined only improve it another 20%.
Anyway, what would you have put the perks into? Don't say conjuration, alchemy, enchanting, or smithing. I also prefer to avoid perks that don't benefit me in combat. The pickpocket perks were an exception.
If your goal is to avoid good perks, carry on.
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Does what race you pick have any bearing on how the game has to be played? Like, I picked a High Elf... does that make it any harder for me to do a certain thing?
I only ask, because while I know I could just make a different character to test this out, I'm one of those people who'll spend my time getting 100% completion on one character, rather than just play through the story with 6.
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That build seems good. Not sure why you want archery and one handed perks, just find one to fall back on, and pick up the other dual castings.
On January 02 2012 05:40 TurkeyKnight wrote:
Does what race you pick have any bearing on how the game has to be played? Like, I picked a High Elf... does that make it any harder for me to do a certain thing?
I only ask, because while I know I could just make a different character to test this out, I'm one of those people who'll spend my time getting 100% completion on one character, rather than just play through the story with 6.
No. Your starting stats are a little lower, but if you use the skills you want from the get-go, it's not hard to fix. Should only take about 30-60 min to raise them to where they would have been.
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On January 02 2012 05:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:That build seems good. Not sure why you want archery and one handed perks, just find one to fall back on, and pick up the other dual castings. Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 05:40 TurkeyKnight wrote:
Does what race you pick have any bearing on how the game has to be played? Like, I picked a High Elf... does that make it any harder for me to do a certain thing?
I only ask, because while I know I could just make a different character to test this out, I'm one of those people who'll spend my time getting 100% completion on one character, rather than just play through the story with 6. No. Your starting stats are a little lower, but if you use the skills you want from the get-go, it's not hard to fix. Should only take about 30-60 min to raise them to where they would have been.
Thank you, good sir. Now I feel bad for scrapping my first (always the experimental) character. But now I feel like I have a better grasp on the levelling system used in this game, and won't spend future time wasting it by doing quests without the markers and whatnot.
Always good to learn first, right? 
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Funniest thing happened today, I was in Rorikstead and a dragon appeared, it flew away from the city a bit and I noticed it landed. When I finally caught up to it it was sitting the way they do sometimes near those words of power areas and I crept up real slow and shot an arrow at it but it didn't do anything. I crept up to it and it let me take its soul and I was really confused, then after I emptied the bones and scales two giants appeared from behind it and killed me. lol This game is almost too good sometimes!
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can anyone explain how potions of fortify restoration work? im going to give making some overpowered items a try once and see how it works out, and id just like to know when to use fort restoration. do i drink them in a huge amount right before drinking another potion of fortify smith/enchanting, or do they work right before improving something with smithing or enchanting.
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On January 02 2012 05:21 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 04:27 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 02 2012 03:51 Mindcrime wrote:On January 02 2012 03:29 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 15:59 Mindcrime wrote:On January 01 2012 10:43 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 10:27 Highwinds wrote:On January 01 2012 07:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:On January 01 2012 06:47 PeZuY wrote:
I've been facing boredom in this game since it seems to be so easy no matter what I do, I tried to be mage turned out too easy for me in masters, same happend with archer/assassin and now I've been currently playing with orc with heavy armor and with 2h axe. Any suggestions what would be hardest way to play this game? My main char is a mage. Try the following: -Master difficulty, obviously -Don't craft gear -Minimize fast traveling -Don't quicksave, and press tab to autosave periodically while traversing open ground. -Don't use armor as a mage, wear robes of some kind and use alteration to provide armor. -No perk points into the crafting trees (Alchemy, enchanting, smithing). For reference, daedric gear starts appearing in the game around lvl 47, and if you craft daedric armor/weapons before that, the game is easier than it should be. -Minimize use of quest markers (some quests don't explicitly tell you where to go and require you to use the marker to know, even though the destination is not supposed to be a secret) -No followers, including conjured followers -Get the deadly dragons mod here. -There are other balance/difficulty mods out there. Someone recently posted about mods called PISE and duke's combat mod, which make combat much more fun. I was unable to locate duke's combat mod. Despite all of the above limitations (minus the mods, I don't have those yet) the game is still quite easy. I had a bit of trouble with ice wolves, snow bears, and snowy sabertooths at low levels, but now ancient dragons are the only issue (they one-hit me, I have magic absorb instead of resist and that doesn't work on dragon breath for some reason). All enemies that scaled beyond level 20 can kill me in two to three hits. If I don't have ebonyflesh on, random archers can one hit kill me. Try this and let me know how challenging it is :D I did all of this my first playthrough without knowing how hard the game would be (except for the dragon mod) Game was hard as hell when i focused only on destruction in robes not even using alteration for armor lol. Then my 2nd play i made a guy with smithing.... OMG the game is easy when you do that. Oh it's not that bad, come on. I made it to lvl 74, and I use magic half the time while using bow or sword/shield the other half of the time. Without armor. I went up to 500 hp and put the rest into magicka. Here's my perk build: IGN Perk BuilderLink for duke's combat mod please? You took all five ranks of shield wall, but not elemental protection or block runner? this is madness I'm a mage. Why would I need to run while blocking? Also, I have 80% magic absorb due to atronach stone + atronach perk, and I have Spellbreaker, the shield that blocks all magic and dragon breath. but you needed to spend 4 perks to improve your blocking a measly 20%? Yes, since I have no armor. It improves it 40% by the way. It makes a huge difference considering how much damage attacks do normally. The first perk improves it 20%. The last 4 perks combined only improve it another 20%. Show nested quote +Anyway, what would you have put the perks into? Don't say conjuration, alchemy, enchanting, or smithing. I also prefer to avoid perks that don't benefit me in combat. The pickpocket perks were an exception. If your goal is to avoid good perks, carry on.
My goal is to avoid perks that are TOO good. The game is easy enough as it is. Thanks for pointing out that 4 points only gives 20% block. I'll reconsider the extra 4 points put into shield wall and put them into something else, perhaps archery, though most of the archery perks are unnecessary for a character who only uses a bow while sneaking and has hundreds of arrows. Hell, I only got the bow zoom perk so I could have some form of binocular vision.
Here's a revised build with Necromage and several more points in archery: IGN Perk Builder
On January 02 2012 05:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
That build seems good. Not sure why you want archery and one handed perks, just find one to fall back on, and pick up the other dual castings.
I sneak around pretty often; I often use a bow to snipe targets from a distance before closing in with magic and finishing with sword/shield. The dual casting perks are mostly pointless anyway, so this makes much more sense for my playstyle.
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