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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 26 2011 09:41 GMT
#7861
On November 26 2011 12:27 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 11:33 Kurr wrote:
Had to restart my game from the start because of a dick move by the game.

I had just finished the Golden Claw question in the beginning and I came out of a house, saved, noticed 3 guys come up to me and kick my ass for "stealing" despite me never haven stolen anything. Tried it a dozen times but I couldn't beat them.

Remade a character, a mage this time... they came around again at the same time. I used 2 scrolls of fireball on them and they had like 10 HP left each lol. So much easier than with a warrior. Then I read the contract, some Moira person put a hit on me... yet I've never even been out of Riverwood and the surroundings by that point and she's from a completely different town according to the wiki. Only person I stole from was that witch I killed both times.

Killed my first dragon now. Liking this character a bit more although I always run out of MP if I fight 2-3 enemies at once. Just got the level 2 spells so I wonder how that will do.


You could have just lowered the difficulty all the way for that fight.

Or ran away until they gave up like a bitch like I did with my thief character.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 09:57:03
November 26 2011 09:48 GMT
#7862
[image loading]
lol alchemy


Yeah things get pretty ridiculous. I'm shit in a fight but I could buy Skyrim.
Before I went to sleep yesterday I accidentally combined a third ingredient which I cannot for the life of me find again. It was worth 10.5k. Just take my word on it- Alchemy breaks the game.

Edit: Oh that's why, I wasn't wearing my ring in my imba set. Maxed out prices with Speechcraft, All points in Alchemy, 5/5 enchanting and everything except fire/frost/lightning; Fire Destruction maxed out, 3-4 perk points into lockpicking for the 100+ weight and 3 points in restoration. A strong fart kills me but I can afford a gas mask.

So yeah, make alchemy set- make enchanting potion of imba- make imba alchemy set- troll science.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
November 26 2011 10:01 GMT
#7863
are there any UI mods out yet? Two things let me down: no COOP and the UI. I can live without COOP but the UI is getting frustrating and it isnt intuitive for me.

Also I saw a list of graphical mods in this thread in the past but i can't find it, if you can link a list to make the game nicer looking please do ^>^
hihihi
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
November 26 2011 10:03 GMT
#7864
On November 26 2011 18:48 Probe1 wrote:
[image loading]
lol alchemy


Yeah things get pretty ridiculous. I'm shit in a fight but I could buy Skyrim.
Before I went to sleep yesterday I accidentally combined a third ingredient which I cannot for the life of me find again. It was worth 10.5k. Just take my word on it- Alchemy breaks the game.

Edit: Oh that's why, I wasn't wearing my ring in my imba set. Maxed out prices with Speechcraft, All points in Alchemy, 5/5 enchanting and everything except fire/frost/lightning; Fire Destruction maxed out, 3-4 perk points into lockpicking for the 100+ weight and 3 points in restoration. A strong fart kills me but I can afford a gas mask.

So yeah, make alchemy set- make enchanting potion of imba- make imba alchemy set- troll science.

Still don't undestand why you would want that.. wheres the fun...

Is it true Daedric armor/weapons can only be obtained by smithing? that'd suck because I can never get a daedric bow(best one ingame) on my light armor archer, or i'd have to invest like 5 additional perks
no dude, the question
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 26 2011 10:04 GMT
#7865
On November 26 2011 19:03 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 18:48 Probe1 wrote:
[image loading]
lol alchemy


Yeah things get pretty ridiculous. I'm shit in a fight but I could buy Skyrim.
Before I went to sleep yesterday I accidentally combined a third ingredient which I cannot for the life of me find again. It was worth 10.5k. Just take my word on it- Alchemy breaks the game.

Edit: Oh that's why, I wasn't wearing my ring in my imba set. Maxed out prices with Speechcraft, All points in Alchemy, 5/5 enchanting and everything except fire/frost/lightning; Fire Destruction maxed out, 3-4 perk points into lockpicking for the 100+ weight and 3 points in restoration. A strong fart kills me but I can afford a gas mask.

So yeah, make alchemy set- make enchanting potion of imba- make imba alchemy set- troll science.

Still don't undestand why you would want that.. wheres the fun...

Is it true Daedric armor/weapons can only be obtained by smithing? that'd suck because I can never get a daedric bow(best one ingame) on my light armor archer, or i'd have to invest like 5 additional perks

I found two Daedric weapons without smithing.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 10:07:42
November 26 2011 10:06 GMT
#7866
Where's the fun in playing an archer? It's like being a mage except you have to collect reagents to fire! (UO pre stupid era fuck yeah)

Point being- I enjoy being rich enough to feel compelled to modify the game so I can afford something. Maybe I'll buy a god.

Edit: Yeah, I have a daedric sword somewhere, found it sticking out of a stone. I'm sure there is a bow someplace. You can craft daedric weapons from what I've read, I haven't checked. Smithing is for people that can't afford their own personal ball washers.
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우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
November 26 2011 10:07 GMT
#7867
On November 26 2011 19:03 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 18:48 Probe1 wrote:
[image loading]
lol alchemy


Yeah things get pretty ridiculous. I'm shit in a fight but I could buy Skyrim.
Before I went to sleep yesterday I accidentally combined a third ingredient which I cannot for the life of me find again. It was worth 10.5k. Just take my word on it- Alchemy breaks the game.

Edit: Oh that's why, I wasn't wearing my ring in my imba set. Maxed out prices with Speechcraft, All points in Alchemy, 5/5 enchanting and everything except fire/frost/lightning; Fire Destruction maxed out, 3-4 perk points into lockpicking for the 100+ weight and 3 points in restoration. A strong fart kills me but I can afford a gas mask.

So yeah, make alchemy set- make enchanting potion of imba- make imba alchemy set- troll science.

Still don't undestand why you would want that.. wheres the fun...

Is it true Daedric armor/weapons can only be obtained by smithing? that'd suck because I can never get a daedric bow(best one ingame) on my light armor archer, or i'd have to invest like 5 additional perks


There are 2 different kinds of item drops. Scripted drops and randomized drops. Scripted drops are usually quest rewards or dungeon bosses and you'll always find them on any character. Randomized drops are based on character level.They cover 95% of the items you find. Basically you'll eventually find more powerful stuff when you become more powerful.
A virtuous act is performed habitually, and not once from incentive alone.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
November 26 2011 10:10 GMT
#7868
On November 26 2011 18:48 Probe1 wrote:
[image loading]
lol alchemy


Yeah things get pretty ridiculous. I'm shit in a fight but I could buy Skyrim.
Before I went to sleep yesterday I accidentally combined a third ingredient which I cannot for the life of me find again. It was worth 10.5k. Just take my word on it- Alchemy breaks the game.


I made a spreadsheet where I could choose which reagents to combine, and would get up the value of it.

When it comes to the value of the different effects, they are all relative in value to each other, and each new effect on a potion adds the value of that effect. The most valuable effects are in order: Invisibility, Paralysis, Damage Magicka, Slow, Fortify Carry Weight, Regenerate Health, Regenerate Magicka, Regenerate Stamina.

When I make potions I normally try to choose two reagents in one of the top value categories, and then look at the other effects of the two potions to see which is the most valuable, and then go to that category and try all reagents there to see which gives the highest value.

Going by the potion you posted, only Luna Moth Wing and Vampire Dust would give both effects. Trying those two with all other effects, the most valuable third reagent I could find in the spreadsheet was Hawk Feathers, which gave an added Cure Disease and Fortify Light Armor effect.

There might be a lot more below it that makes my spreadsheet not work, but from what I could find initially it's fairly correct.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 10:18:52
November 26 2011 10:18 GMT
#7869
I can't find whatever ingredient I used yesterday Lobo2me but for that screenshot it was Chaurus Eggs, Luna Moth Wing and Vampire Dust. The third ingredient adds health regeneration and adds 40% to the total price.
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[image loading]


I'm tempted to actually do what I said I did and just cyclically improve my enchanting potions until I can make a 20k potion. But I have more important things to do- somewhere, somehow, there is a beggar that will dance while I throw coins at him. I will find this.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 26 2011 10:19 GMT
#7870
last part for mzuft is bugged for me ... even with double spell i cannot move those stupid mirrors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 10:23:36
November 26 2011 10:22 GMT
#7871
Erasme:
+ Show Spoiler [Solution] +
You aim at the crystal not the mirrors.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
November 26 2011 10:22 GMT
#7872
On November 26 2011 19:19 Erasme wrote:
last part for mzuft is bugged for me ... even with double spell i cannot move those stupid mirrors.

are you using the "beam" spells? Don't think Fireball orso worked for me.

Ok, ill keep searching then:p Thanks for the answers.
no dude, the question
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
November 26 2011 10:25 GMT
#7873
So I fucked around a ton and just beat the game today. I went pure mage without any enchanting/minmaxing hacks on master difficulty, I never realized you could craft OP gear so I just ended up with the best quest stuff. Pretty much just stunlocked everyone to death with adept-level destruction spells; I got to level 30 or so. Without perfect stunlocking I got 1shot by a lot of mobs but that didn't matter, I didn't make a good build or character I just relied on the Impact perk, AI abuse and chain potions.

Game seems too short, not enough direction. Its fun to just run around and explore and blow monsters up but the main storyline was so damned cheap. Also it seems like the choices you make throughout the whole game don't really influence what happens in the main quest at all; It doesn't matter which way in the civil war you go or who you help and who you don't, the sidequests are all extremely disconnected from one another and also don't have too many different endings themselves.. The dungeon designs are all SUPER cool and the traps/puzzles/abstraction are decent at first but after a while the pressure plates and hidden levers get a bit stale.

Game is fun, feels epic, the graphics and sound are breathtaking and the world is huge. It just sucks because, for such a huge world, I really have to convince MYSELF to go out and explore it, I don't feel motivated by the game/story/rewards to actually go do it because I beat the main story and I can max my level/gold from doing Alchemy and cleaning out all the vendors gold as efficiently as possible with speech perks. I know there's a million sidequests I never finished in towns I've never been to; but they never came into play in the story so it doesn't make any sense for me to seek them out.

Kind of weird because I combed the recent Fallout games for all sorts of cool weapons and quests and Fallout doesn't take itself as seriously as TES does. I just feel like there's no gameplay left in Skyrim for me, I have to use my imagination to close too many gaps and even on the hardest difficulty I found it too easy. IDK. Back to starcraft i guess.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 26 2011 10:32 GMT
#7874
On November 26 2011 19:22 Probe1 wrote:
Erasme:
+ Show Spoiler [Solution] +
You aim at the crystal not the mirrors.

God if this is true, i feel so stupid because i loaded an ancient save ... brb doing it right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 10:35:18
November 26 2011 10:34 GMT
#7875
On November 26 2011 19:25 darkscream wrote:
So I fucked around a ton and just beat the game today. I went pure mage without any enchanting/minmaxing hacks on master difficulty, I never realized you could craft OP gear so I just ended up with the best quest stuff. Pretty much just stunlocked everyone to death with adept-level destruction spells; I got to level 30 or so. Without perfect stunlocking I got 1shot by a lot of mobs but that didn't matter, I didn't make a good build or character I just relied on the Impact perk, AI abuse and chain potions.

Game seems too short, not enough direction. Its fun to just run around and explore and blow monsters up but the main storyline was so damned cheap. Also it seems like the choices you make throughout the whole game don't really influence what happens in the main quest at all; It doesn't matter which way in the civil war you go or who you help and who you don't, the sidequests are all extremely disconnected from one another and also don't have too many different endings themselves.. The dungeon designs are all SUPER cool and the traps/puzzles/abstraction are decent at first but after a while the pressure plates and hidden levers get a bit stale.

Game is fun, feels epic, the graphics and sound are breathtaking and the world is huge. It just sucks because, for such a huge world, I really have to convince MYSELF to go out and explore it, I don't feel motivated by the game/story/rewards to actually go do it because I beat the main story and I can max my level/gold from doing Alchemy and cleaning out all the vendors gold as efficiently as possible with speech perks. I know there's a million sidequests I never finished in towns I've never been to; but they never came into play in the story so it doesn't make any sense for me to seek them out.

Kind of weird because I combed the recent Fallout games for all sorts of cool weapons and quests and Fallout doesn't take itself as seriously as TES does. I just feel like there's no gameplay left in Skyrim for me, I have to use my imagination to close too many gaps and even on the hardest difficulty I found it too easy. IDK. Back to starcraft i guess.


I think it's because there is no real story telling and no characters (no personalities). When I get really involved in a book, movie, RPG, or show it's because I feel emotional attachments to characters, and I genuinely care about what happens to them. This doesn't exist in Skyrim at all.
A virtuous act is performed habitually, and not once from incentive alone.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 10:41:01
November 26 2011 10:38 GMT
#7876
On November 26 2011 19:32 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 19:22 Probe1 wrote:
Erasme:
+ Show Spoiler [Solution] +
You aim at the crystal not the mirrors.

God if this is true, i feel so stupid because i loaded an ancient save ... brb doing it right now.

+ Show Spoiler +
It took me a while, at first it didn't seem to work but after aiming at the crystal and the apparatus it's placed in I eventually got it right and it moved. Then you rotate the mirrors to the beams.

Yeah.. I tried to just figure it out myself, spent five minutes hitting the mirrors and ground and bleh. Then I talked to the goon standing there. Use the stream spells on the table and aim at the crystal (fire and frost). Hope it works.


darkscream I don't mean to be critical but you can finish the main quest line in Fallout 3 in about an hour. I grew up playing Fallout 1/2/BoS and lol the story. I suppose it's as I said- to each their own!
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
curreh
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia265 Posts
November 26 2011 10:42 GMT
#7877
On November 26 2011 18:48 Probe1 wrote:
Edit: Oh that's why, I wasn't wearing my ring in my imba set. Maxed out prices with Speechcraft, All points in Alchemy, 5/5 enchanting and everything except fire/frost/lightning; Fire Destruction maxed out, 3-4 perk points into lockpicking for the 100+ weight and 3 points in restoration. A strong fart kills me but I can afford a gas mask.


Ahahaha this made my friend and I laugh, great way of putting it : P I like your build lol
SlayerS Hwaiting! : )
Laconic
Profile Joined June 2010
United States32 Posts
November 26 2011 10:50 GMT
#7878
On November 26 2011 18:26 Remb wrote:I can make a potion worth 1200 septims from 50 septims. Crafting is super tedious, and only alchemy is worth leveling (which is by far the most tedious trade skill). Lockpicking, Pickpocket, Speechcraft and Smithing are definitely not worth putting skill points into. When you realize these skills might as well not exist, you see the skill selection for your character is actually rather hollow and straightforward. Enchanting is so expensive/tedious to level, I don't even bother with it, and Alchemy breaks the game so I only have it on my Thief character for poisons.


Funny, I would have put the hierarchy the other way.

Alchemy is good but not essential. Due to the way health and mana potions work you can make up for a lack of quality with volume. It's a bit pricy but whatever. Money is barely a factor in the game at level 40+.

Smithing is almost useless if you're a Mage, but it's extremely important for Warriors, and still good for Thieves. Legendary-class weapons do literally twice as much damage as unupgraded ones, same for armor.

Enchanting is, in my opinion, the most powerful skill in the game. Stacking multiple +damage or +sneak or whatever enchants on armor basically feels like you're cheating. And it's not that bad to level if you just clear out a Dwarf ruin for Soul Gems and then conscientiously Soul Trap random wolves/bears/elk/chickens (no seriously, chickens) when you're running around. Make 50 Bracers, enchant all of them with your crappy gems, easy ~40 levels of it. Buying empty Petty Soul Gems from vendors, filling them, and then making spurious enchants is slightly profitable, I'm pretty sure.

Putting points into Pickpocketing is funny if you max it out, but otherwise yeah, I agree, useless. More or less same with Speech and Lockpick.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
November 26 2011 10:59 GMT
#7879
On November 26 2011 19:18 Probe1 wrote:
I can't find whatever ingredient I used yesterday Lobo2me but for that screenshot it was Chaurus Eggs, Luna Moth Wing and Vampire Dust. The third ingredient adds health regeneration and adds 40% to the total price.
+ Show Spoiler [img] +
[image loading]


I'm tempted to actually do what I said I did and just cyclically improve my enchanting potions until I can make a 20k potion. But I have more important things to do- somewhere, somehow, there is a beggar that will dance while I throw coins at him. I will find this.

If you have more points into the first perk of Speech, does that show better max prices, or will it just make it possible to reach the max price that's shown when crafting?
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 26 2011 11:03 GMT
#7880
I don't rightly know and I'm poor at testing things out. I'd imagine I'd need to try to sell the same potion to a dozen or so different NPCs, Some will buy items for close to the exact price and some will stiff you for half the max price even with 5/5 speechcraft.

I just used a barter potion and it did not change the price, if that's an indication. I don't know if there is a fortify speechcraft but if there is I don't have it :S
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