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On May 20 2011 07:48 Krehlmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 07:46 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:44 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:34 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:18 Krehlmar wrote:
I think that's trolling because I don't really believe it.
If it isn't, I couldn't care less.
Infact I welcome the effort to actually building up the characters persona's and the overall social dynamic in the group for once instead of dumbing down everything and removing all the social depth in the game.
Also why do you nerds give two shits? Ever think about Shepard being a FEMALE and thus being homosexual = lesbian? Or were you to prejudice and thinking about the oh-so-disgusting male homosexuality possibilities? Even if it is a Lesbian relationship I could give two shits less. It's retarded. Sex isn't that big of a deal despite what virgin 15 year olds think. It is when an entire act is dedicated to Shepard coming out of the closet and having a teaching session with the crew of why Homosexuality is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And you've played it and know this? No, just the lead writer's word that it's already in the game. Yeah and Fable 1,2 and 3 is the best gaming experience known to man according to Peter Molyneux. I mean he says it so it HAS to be true.
If you're going to make a point, at least make it have some semblance to the discussion.
A lead writer saying that a certain dialogue portion is written and in the game already is vastly different than someone saying their own game is a masterpiece. I feel appalled that this has to be explained.
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This is all being way overblown. Also, who the fuck plays male shepards anyways? the female voice actor is by far and extreme better, and by the fact you don't like homosexuals for whatever biggoted reason you choose, why the hell would you rather look at a burly guy then a hot chick?
Overall, I worry about bioware ruining ME3 with something, but I'm far more worried about their efforts to include multiplayer or something retarded like that. DA2 for example was utter shit, and even though it's 2 different groups working on the games, there's some crossover and design direction that really worries me.
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Can't wait for bioware to try and develop shallow homosexual/heterosexual relationships because apparently trying to be overly PC to everyone makes a good game now. They're trying to hard at the wrong things. It feels like the romances are just there so people can have sex with their favorite characters and live out immature fantasies rather than use them for substantial character and plot progression. ME 2 made relationships feel cheap and irrelevant, bioware keeps throwing resources at making them. They should worry more about the overarching plot because ME 2 was barely an RPG to begin with.
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On May 20 2011 07:54 Shiladie wrote:
This is all being way overblown.
I realize I am taking this a bit out of proportion, but it just utterly shocks me that they are this devoted to romance that they are literally dedicating this much time and effort in the game to a character coming out of the closet and all that crap. And then taking the time to get all these animations for sex scenes and crap. It was outright said that Romance was the leading factor of people anticipating DA2. (It wasn't more than 50%, it was more of a split vote, but you get the point) and that is the message they have gotten for ME3.
I am fine with Romance, as I said before. It can enrich a game. Homosexual or not. But when you dedicate this much time, resources, and gameplay to fucking romance and shoving it in your face (IE: In DA2, if you didnt fuck Anders in the ass as a male he instantly hated you no matter what, which I don't doubt something similar happening in ME3 considering it's all the same writers) it becomes a problem.
It has nothing to do with romance or sex being "wrong", it has to do with it being excessively shoved in your face. And because I say this doesn't mean I want ME3 to be like CoD, I dont know how people get that idea. I'm saying I dont want it to be a dating sim.
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On May 20 2011 07:50 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 07:48 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:46 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:44 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:34 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:18 Krehlmar wrote:
I think that's trolling because I don't really believe it.
If it isn't, I couldn't care less.
Infact I welcome the effort to actually building up the characters persona's and the overall social dynamic in the group for once instead of dumbing down everything and removing all the social depth in the game.
Also why do you nerds give two shits? Ever think about Shepard being a FEMALE and thus being homosexual = lesbian? Or were you to prejudice and thinking about the oh-so-disgusting male homosexuality possibilities? Even if it is a Lesbian relationship I could give two shits less. It's retarded. Sex isn't that big of a deal despite what virgin 15 year olds think. It is when an entire act is dedicated to Shepard coming out of the closet and having a teaching session with the crew of why Homosexuality is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And you've played it and know this? No, just the lead writer's word that it's already in the game. Yeah and Fable 1,2 and 3 is the best gaming experience known to man according to Peter Molyneux. I mean he says it so it HAS to be true. If you're going to make a point, at least make it have some semblance to the discussion. A lead writer saying that a certain dialogue portion is written and in the game already is vastly different than someone saying their own game is a masterpiece. I feel appalled that this has to be explained.
And I'm appalled that despite all your lovely discussing your main point is that you don't want romance in an RPG nor that you want a chapter dedicated to homosexuality as you express it.
What I've been saying, which I am appalled at having to explain again, is simple that you will not have your own fucking Pride festival onboard the Normandy (the space ship) with wagons and burly gay aliens in leather tights fucking eachother. Even though when I put it like that it sounds pretty awesome.
It'll probably be a short chapter (like all chapters in every game nowdays, seriously I played a chapter in Dead Space 2 in less than 2 minutes) and it'll be tied in with all the racist/xenophobic shit they like pulling around the "pro-human, anti-everything else" story they got going.
Your a dumb shit if you seriously think a gay romance will be the biggest part in a game that'll be released in countries such as the US where that's a MAJOR-anti sellingpoint.
On May 20 2011 07:57 Serpico wrote:
Can't wait for bioware to try and develop shallow homosexual/heterosexual relationships because apparently trying to be overly PC to everyone makes a good game now. They're trying to hard at the wrong things. It feels like the romances are just there so people can have sex with their favorite characters and live out immature fantasies rather than use them for substantial character and plot progression. ME 2 made relationships feel cheap and irrelevant, bioware keeps throwing resources at making them. They should worry more about the overarching plot because ME 2 was barely an RPG to begin with.
I agree other than Tali, she had a great romance story... the others were abit wierd.
Garren was nice aswell if you were female though... pretty corny and humorous but very tragic aswell.
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On May 20 2011 08:04 Krehlmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 07:50 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:48 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:46 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:44 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:34 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:18 Krehlmar wrote:
I think that's trolling because I don't really believe it.
If it isn't, I couldn't care less.
Infact I welcome the effort to actually building up the characters persona's and the overall social dynamic in the group for once instead of dumbing down everything and removing all the social depth in the game.
Also why do you nerds give two shits? Ever think about Shepard being a FEMALE and thus being homosexual = lesbian? Or were you to prejudice and thinking about the oh-so-disgusting male homosexuality possibilities? Even if it is a Lesbian relationship I could give two shits less. It's retarded. Sex isn't that big of a deal despite what virgin 15 year olds think. It is when an entire act is dedicated to Shepard coming out of the closet and having a teaching session with the crew of why Homosexuality is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And you've played it and know this? No, just the lead writer's word that it's already in the game. Yeah and Fable 1,2 and 3 is the best gaming experience known to man according to Peter Molyneux. I mean he says it so it HAS to be true. If you're going to make a point, at least make it have some semblance to the discussion. A lead writer saying that a certain dialogue portion is written and in the game already is vastly different than someone saying their own game is a masterpiece. I feel appalled that this has to be explained. And I'm appalled that despite all your lovely discussing your main point is that you don't want romance in an RPG
I am fine with Romance, as I said before. It can enrich a game. Homosexual or not.
At least read my posts before you respond to me from now on. That or pathetically try to troll me.
Either or.
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On May 20 2011 08:09 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 08:04 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:50 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:48 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:46 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:44 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:34 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:18 Krehlmar wrote:
I think that's trolling because I don't really believe it.
If it isn't, I couldn't care less.
Infact I welcome the effort to actually building up the characters persona's and the overall social dynamic in the group for once instead of dumbing down everything and removing all the social depth in the game.
Also why do you nerds give two shits? Ever think about Shepard being a FEMALE and thus being homosexual = lesbian? Or were you to prejudice and thinking about the oh-so-disgusting male homosexuality possibilities? Even if it is a Lesbian relationship I could give two shits less. It's retarded. Sex isn't that big of a deal despite what virgin 15 year olds think. It is when an entire act is dedicated to Shepard coming out of the closet and having a teaching session with the crew of why Homosexuality is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And you've played it and know this? No, just the lead writer's word that it's already in the game. Yeah and Fable 1,2 and 3 is the best gaming experience known to man according to Peter Molyneux. I mean he says it so it HAS to be true. If you're going to make a point, at least make it have some semblance to the discussion. A lead writer saying that a certain dialogue portion is written and in the game already is vastly different than someone saying their own game is a masterpiece. I feel appalled that this has to be explained. And I'm appalled that despite all your lovely discussing your main point is that you don't want romance in an RPG Show nested quote +I am fine with Romance, as I said before. It can enrich a game. Homosexual or not. At least read my posts before you respond to me from now on. That or pathetically try to troll me. Either or.
Dude you just quoted me out of context... way to win an argument there Bill'Oreily.
EDIT: If you're fine with a romance, homosexual or not, what is the problem then?
How could this not add to the story according to your own argument, if they make it well?
Or are you just discussing for the sake of it?
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Lol that post is so obviously sarcasm, kinda like the Blizz April Fools patch notes.
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I'm not so sure multiplayer is really necessary. The core of the game is immersive RP, and thats what people pay for and want. It's not like they sell few copies.. and also, I don't see why people would buy the game just because it has MP support. It's not like you're doubting a purchase about the game and then think "Oh it has MP! Buying!", seeing as it's a single-player game like I said earlier.
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On May 20 2011 08:14 Fluffet wrote:
I'm not so sure multiplayer is really necessary. The core of the game is immersive RP, and thats what people pay for and want. It's not like they sell few copies.. and also, I don't see why people would buy the game just because it has MP support. It's not like you're doubting a purchase about the game and then think "Oh it has MP! Buying!", seeing as it's a single-player game like I said earlier.
Coop is a major selling point though, atleast for me and 30% of Halo fans.
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On May 20 2011 08:11 Krehlmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 08:09 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 08:04 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:50 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:48 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:46 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:44 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:34 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:18 Krehlmar wrote:
I think that's trolling because I don't really believe it.
If it isn't, I couldn't care less.
Infact I welcome the effort to actually building up the characters persona's and the overall social dynamic in the group for once instead of dumbing down everything and removing all the social depth in the game.
Also why do you nerds give two shits? Ever think about Shepard being a FEMALE and thus being homosexual = lesbian? Or were you to prejudice and thinking about the oh-so-disgusting male homosexuality possibilities? Even if it is a Lesbian relationship I could give two shits less. It's retarded. Sex isn't that big of a deal despite what virgin 15 year olds think. It is when an entire act is dedicated to Shepard coming out of the closet and having a teaching session with the crew of why Homosexuality is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And you've played it and know this? No, just the lead writer's word that it's already in the game. Yeah and Fable 1,2 and 3 is the best gaming experience known to man according to Peter Molyneux. I mean he says it so it HAS to be true. If you're going to make a point, at least make it have some semblance to the discussion. A lead writer saying that a certain dialogue portion is written and in the game already is vastly different than someone saying their own game is a masterpiece. I feel appalled that this has to be explained. And I'm appalled that despite all your lovely discussing your main point is that you don't want romance in an RPG I am fine with Romance, as I said before. It can enrich a game. Homosexual or not. At least read my posts before you respond to me from now on. That or pathetically try to troll me. Either or. Dude you just quoted me out of context... way to win an argument there Bill'Oreily. EDIT: If you're fine with a romance, homosexual or not, what is the problem then? How could this not add to the story according to your own argument, if they make it well? Or are you just discussing for the sake of it?
First of all, I can't take you saying I dont want romance in RPG's out of context.
Secondly, if you actually READ MY POSTS you would see that even though I am fine with romance in RPG's, ME3 appears to be going the Dragon Age 2 route where it rubs it so hard into your face your can taste it and it actually takes away from the gameplay. In DA2, Anders randomly comes and asks to fuck your ass and if you say anything but "do me now", he instantly hates you essentially. And it's not just that, it's romance all over the place.
That's what appears to be happening in ME3. Especially with that post FROM THE LEAD WRITER OF THE GAME. They are dedicating an entire section of the game to you coming out of the closet and making multiple dialogue paths and sex animation sequences dedicated to this coming out of the closet. I'm fine with going all gay and shit, but the fact that they are FORCING it on you is just simply astounding and is the very opposite of an RPG.
Oh, I guess you can technically not be gay -- but someone will be and you have to go through the same exact motions except in third person except first person anyways. At the end of the day, they are forcing this shit on you.
On May 20 2011 08:14 Plague1503 wrote:
Lol that post is so obviously sarcasm, kinda like the Blizz April Fools patch notes.
She's the same girl who said she doesn't like to actually play games and was heavily influenced by Twilight.
It's not a joke.
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One of the two games I'm really looking forward to, other being Diablo.
Dragon Age 2 got me a little worried though and not too excited about the potential multiplayer aspect in ME3. Hope they put proper effort into this game and make it a worthy ending for the trilogy, and I have faith they will.
And people are probably again overreacting to this "homo chapter" or whatever. Planning to keep my Shepard straight alien lover myself in any case. <3 Tali
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Mmyeah, that chapter itself doesn't worry me so much, the fact that they decided to "leak" that part of the game and talk about it (which is basically instant controversy, doh) worries me slightly about how the game is going to turn out in general.
Although I find the multiplayer actually encouraging. They can't get away with making gameplay bad now, and they should know it.
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On May 20 2011 08:17 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 08:11 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 08:09 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 08:04 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:50 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:48 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:46 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:44 Krehlmar wrote:On May 20 2011 07:34 Fruscainte wrote:On May 20 2011 07:18 Krehlmar wrote:
I think that's trolling because I don't really believe it.
If it isn't, I couldn't care less.
Infact I welcome the effort to actually building up the characters persona's and the overall social dynamic in the group for once instead of dumbing down everything and removing all the social depth in the game.
Also why do you nerds give two shits? Ever think about Shepard being a FEMALE and thus being homosexual = lesbian? Or were you to prejudice and thinking about the oh-so-disgusting male homosexuality possibilities? Even if it is a Lesbian relationship I could give two shits less. It's retarded. Sex isn't that big of a deal despite what virgin 15 year olds think. It is when an entire act is dedicated to Shepard coming out of the closet and having a teaching session with the crew of why Homosexuality is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And you've played it and know this? No, just the lead writer's word that it's already in the game. Yeah and Fable 1,2 and 3 is the best gaming experience known to man according to Peter Molyneux. I mean he says it so it HAS to be true. If you're going to make a point, at least make it have some semblance to the discussion. A lead writer saying that a certain dialogue portion is written and in the game already is vastly different than someone saying their own game is a masterpiece. I feel appalled that this has to be explained. And I'm appalled that despite all your lovely discussing your main point is that you don't want romance in an RPG I am fine with Romance, as I said before. It can enrich a game. Homosexual or not. At least read my posts before you respond to me from now on. That or pathetically try to troll me. Either or. Dude you just quoted me out of context... way to win an argument there Bill'Oreily. EDIT: If you're fine with a romance, homosexual or not, what is the problem then? How could this not add to the story according to your own argument, if they make it well? Or are you just discussing for the sake of it? First of all, I can't take you saying I dont want romance in RPG's out of context. Secondly, if you actually READ MY POSTS you would see that even though I am fine with romance in RPG's, ME3 appears to be going the Dragon Age 2 route where it rubs it so hard into your face your can taste it and it actually takes away from the gameplay. In DA2, Anders randomly comes and asks to fuck your ass and if you say anything but "do me now", he instantly hates you essentially. And it's not just that, it's romance all over the place. That's what appears to be happening in ME3. Especially with that post FROM THE LEAD WRITER OF THE GAME. They are dedicating an entire section of the game to you coming out of the closet and making multiple dialogue paths and sex animation sequences dedicated to this coming out of the closet. I'm fine with going all gay and shit, but the fact that they are FORCING it on you is just simply astounding and is the very opposite of an RPG. Oh, I guess you can technically not be gay -- but someone will be and you have to go through the same exact motions except in third person except first person anyways. At the end of the day, they are forcing this shit on you. Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 08:14 Plague1503 wrote:
Lol that post is so obviously sarcasm, kinda like the Blizz April Fools patch notes. She's the same girl who said she doesn't like to actually play games and was heavily influenced by Twilight. It's not a joke.
I get your points there and to some extent its true but what RPG lets you choose what story you want to play out? I mean you don't start Mass Effect 1 and say "No fuck this I don't care about Sovereign, I want to explore space and become a space farmer!". You're "Forced" upon a story line.
What my point is that you're always forced upon to make decisions or sections you don't care about in these games, I don't think Mass Effect 3 will be any different.
But is there a problem here with the thought of being forced to interact with something you don't give two craps about or is it because it's homos?
Because I don't think Dragon Age 2 is a good example, it's just not a very good game, I mean ffs I'm flirting with the Elf and half the time she didn't care/notice and the other half of the time the dwarf sits in the corner removing any immersion there is.
If it's applied in the same way as DA2 I don't mind it IF (and only IF) it is put in with enough depth and backstory to make it plausible and believable. I told Anders to fuck off from start and he still loved me, just like the Druid in Neverwinter Night 2 and the asshole paladin in Neverwinter Nights 1 (kill entire city, keep ring and she still loves me even thought she's good?)
The only real RPG where this is put to good use is Baldurs Gate 1/2 where there is actually an EVIL woman which lets you be a fucking cunt and it's understandable that she likes you.
(Or KoToR games where you can be a manipulative asshole but there's no real romance there only gradeschool romance where you don't even kiss so it doesn't count)
My point is:
There is always sections and shit you don't want in the game, why would this be an outrage unless you seriously have a problem with homos?
If it takes away from gameplay I hate it aswell but that regards everything in equal measure, I don't think the combat in ME2/DA2 was any good because it was without the depths of item management or the feeling that it's "me" doing it and not Hawke/Shepard being a godamn godsent action hero born to kick ass...
Also liking Twilight is just wrong.
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That BioWare post is an obvious troll, or photoshop (then it'd be both).
If it weren't obvious enough from the text, just look around gaming blogs and note the suspicious absence of any posts about it.
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On May 20 2011 07:59 Fruscainte wrote:
(IE: In DA2, if you didnt fuck Anders in the ass as a male he instantly hated you no matter what, which I don't doubt something similar happening in ME3 considering it's all the same writers).
DA2 is an abomination, but that isn't even close to being true.
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I'm so looking forward to hearing Clint Mansell's take on the series. Hopefully, he can match and perhaps even better Jack Wall's work on the previous titles.
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On May 20 2011 07:05 Fruscainte wrote:![[image loading]](http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/309/me3hs.jpg) I'm beyond hating on this game. This is just disappointing. It's flat out sad that this is what they have turned into.
Obvious troll is obvious.
There is absolutely no way this post is legitimate. It is completely ridiculous that a company such as Bioware would do this with their flagship project. Such a game feature would just be pushing it too far, its just such a big risk for the company, no CEO would actually follow through on this as there would be a huge chance he will lose his job.
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Weapon customization is confirmed. And it will not only enhance the guns themselves, but change the appearance as well. Unknown the amount of weapon types or armor styles. Will edit if more information is revealed later in stream.
In terms of worlds it seems that there are still central hubs but there are also strongholds on the planet that you defend against the Reapers to gain allies. So for instance one that was shown is the Krogan homeworld of Tuchunka. It had 3 different landing zone scattered throughout the planet. Now if this is the same as the planet scanning game that you used in ME2 to find these zones is unknown, or if they're just unlocked through natural progression.
All information taken from stream done by EA and BioWare at E3 located here;
http://live-event.ea.com/e3/chat/mass-effect
Armor and inventory system is said to be not like ME1 but more comprehensive than ME2, from fan feedback.
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I didn't realize that the post before the bump was a few weeks old, and I got depressed at how much people are already assuming about something that had barely been shown (until E3).
We should get this back rolling with some quality discussion and links of E3 info. I've been too busy to catch most of the articles or clips. In fact I'm going to do that right now. I just started playing ME2 again last night out of boredom.
Armor and inventory system is said to be not like ME1 but more comprehensive than ME2, from fan feedback.
This is great to hear. I loved how different ME1 and ME2 were, not from a gameplay perspective but from a hopeful perspective. I figured they went with so much contrast to try and please the fans while simultaneously seeing what works and what doesn't. Hopefully ME3 will be a "blend of the best" with even more (good) new stuff sprinkled on.
Actually from looking around it looks like a lot less information has been released than I expected. I'm disappointed I'm missing this panel that's going on, my PC won't load it in any browser D: hopefully gets uploaded somewhere after the fact.
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