Kaladesh looks awesome; from the spoiler I'd predict Worldwake levels of aggression and Rise of the Eldrazi levels of synergy building.

Too bad (a) it has random overpowered super-mythic fast mana and (b) I have no gaming budget left for the year.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 01 2016 18:17 GMT

#13002

Said "super mythic fast mana" isn't legal in standard. Our release party winner had a Chromatic Lantern but still, it's one in a blue moon during drafts.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

October 01 2016 19:00 GMT

#13003

At least one Invention will show up in slightly less than one-sixth of all drafts. Of those, 1/6 are just fancy versions of mythic rares that are already in the set (5). But 7/30 are fast mana. So about 4% of drafts will feature super mythic fast mana.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 02 2016 01:41 GMT

#13004

As a single card, that has to be picked up, then drawn early. That's low impact.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

October 02 2016 01:55 GMT

#13005

Lotus Petal isn't even good in Limited, so calling it 7/30 is kind of pushing it. If I got one first pick it's pretty likely I wouldn't play it.

Chromatic Lantern is good, but as far as "fast mana" goes, it's just a 3-mana mana rock. Not exactly the most insane accelerant.

Meta

United States6228 Posts

October 02 2016 02:17 GMT

#13006

I opened a Mana Crypt at the prerelease and the one game that I got it on turn 1 it dealt me 9 damage and I lost. Still felt like winning though

Any picks for top tier standard decks? I bought entry into GP Denver on December 2-4 but I don't have any standard cards so I need to find a list.

Whole

United States6046 Posts

October 02 2016 02:55 GMT

#13007

Wait until the Pro Tour to see what's good. Based on the Open though, RW, RB, and GW aggro seem to be good. From personal experience though, only RB seems to be truly powerful. GW seems like a bunch of meh cards with Gideon, Smuggler's Copter, and Green Gearhulk...I think the shell could be more ambitious.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 02 2016 19:55 GMT

#13008

Advocate and Tracker are still good, and Inspector can crew the copter, become bigger than most creatures outside of the deck when a Verdurous Gearhulk gets played (w/o the Hulk being small himself), and draws you a card later on.
If it lets you curve out and later stay relevant thanks to Copter, emblems or VerdurousG, which makes you more relevant against non-sweepers removal, I wouldn't call it bad.

Fairgrounds Warden maybe could be something else, but I assume the deck wants a critical mass of cmc 1-3 creatures so Gideon can be covered when he hits/affects a bunch of stuff with the emblem, and you have multiple bodies to spread VerdurousG's counters to avoid being blown out by spot removal.
It doesn't seem that bad (most versions have almost no removal main deck atm though).

Whole

United States6046 Posts

October 02 2016 20:44 GMT

#13009

My suspicions are right. BBD who is piloting the deck said it was good, not great...which translates to bad when you're thinking of the Pro Tour. You can see that he is very unenthusiastic about the deck. I suspect he'll scrap it after this tournament.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 02 2016 20:48 GMT

#13010

I haven't paid much attention but supposedly RW vehicles has been the way to go so far?

Whole

United States6046 Posts

October 02 2016 23:07 GMT

#13011

Yea there was 5 in the top 8 but if Imma be honest, the deck has some really big holes. Kozilek's Return destroys it.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 03 2016 03:32 GMT

#13012

Well everything exceot the vehicles themselves.
Thoughts on the aetherworks marvel deck?

Whole

United States6046 Posts

October 03 2016 04:31 GMT

#13013

I didn't see much of it. Seems decent and fun, but I'd have to play it to get an idea of its consistency.

Gorsameth

Netherlands22706 Posts

October 03 2016 09:28 GMT

#13014

On October 03 2016 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well everything exceot the vehicles themselves.
Thoughts on the aetherworks marvel deck?

single vital combo piece where the payoff is not an (near) instant game-win.
Fun deck but not effective.

Thieving Magpie

United States6752 Posts

October 04 2016 07:12 GMT

#13015

On October 03 2016 08:07 Whole wrote:
Yea there was 5 in the top 8 but if Imma be honest, the deck has some really big holes. Kozilek's Return destroys it.

between copter, inspector, and Veteran Motorist I find it difficult to believe its hard to topdeck into more creatures to activate the vehicles that survived Kozilek's Return...

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 04 2016 12:07 GMT

#13016

Can't they just run selfless spirits to deal with the Return if it's that prevalent?

Thieving Magpie

United States6752 Posts

October 05 2016 02:24 GMT

#13017

On October 04 2016 21:07 Alaric wrote:
Can't they just run selfless spirits to deal with the Return if it's that prevalent?

Lets pretend they don't, return doesn't hit any of the Vehicles, which means topdecking almost any creature will be automatic hasters

Meta

United States6228 Posts

October 06 2016 05:21 GMT

#13020

It definitely has consistency issues and lacks redundancy. But since it's a combo deck, it mulligans well, which is nice. A hand with 4 lands and 3 energy producers might be worth mulliganing against certain decks. Plus it's weak to negate, which I find to be a little embarassing. But if you're running the UG version you have backup plans and better selection. Glimmer of Genius and Aether Theorist do a lot of work towards digging to the Marvelworks. Nissa helps get it back from the graveyard if it gets countered or destroyed. Westvale Abbey gives you game if the board stalls by getting you a lot of energy when a Marvelworks is out and providing a decent threat. Tireless Tracker buys time and digs further, while Verdurous Gearhulk can do a lot of work towards punching through a win even without Marvelworks. Confiscation Coup acts as a solid backup plan to all of the above.

Most of the lists I've seen run puzzleboxes and I think that's a mistake. They are just not enough bang for the buck. I'd rather have all my energy producers attached to bodies that can, at the very least, chump block or prevent early attacks. Here's the list I've been testing, which I like a lot.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13639&d=280270&f=ST

My main problem is that if you draw Ulamog or Emrakul they are dead in your hand, which is a real bummer.