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I'll jump in real quick and say that at least part of the price increase for standard cards is because of how expensive mtg product is to buy compared to sell. The margins are razor thin because Wizards has done a terrible job of protecting brick and mortar stores from online retailers. When you don't have to pay the rent brick and mortar stores pay to be in retail zones you can afford to sell boxes for $85, and the players will eat that shit up. So why carry boxes at all? Just buy the singles that the players get from the boxes at better margins than you get from selling boxes. ((Option 1: Sell boxes at 2% margins to compete with online retailers or Option 2: Just sell packs whenever someone just feels like impulse buying, and buy singles at 70% and sell them at 100%))
In order to make up for it shops are forced to try and make up for it in the singles market. Hopefully Wizards realizes the errors they're making soon, or the player base is going to collapse due to stores shutting down. ((I've had 3 local stores go under within a 50 mile radius because they couldn't get their head around the fact that they have to convert to a singles based magic economy and not pack sale economy))
Contrary to popular belief a store going under is bad for the other stores in the area (long term, in my opinion). I've tried to get store cooperation going in my area but stores are practicing a bunker down approach to things and just trying to "weather the storm". This means there's less of an opportunity for people to wander in and get exposed to the product. That keeps the game from growing and stagnation is a very bad thing. I think I'm rambling so I'm going to just stop talking about things. It upsets me seeing shops eat blame that should fall squarely on Wizards and the player base's shoulders.
Note: I'm biased. I own a shop. My shop is fine because I am lucky to have a very loyal customer base, and even then a lot of my customers go through online channels instead to save 10 bucks. Other shops don't have the luxury I have.
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I opened my box yesterday; expedition breeding pool, gideon, ulamog, drana, obnix and a couple of the battle lands.
The expedition dual lands aren't going to fluctuate much on their price right? Or is it actually better to sell the pool right away before more get opened?
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On October 06 2015 07:51 Risen wrote:
I'll jump in real quick and say that at least part of the price increase for standard cards is because of how expensive mtg product is to buy compared to sell. The margins are razor thin because Wizards has done a terrible job of protecting brick and mortar stores from online retailers. When you don't have to pay the rent brick and mortar stores pay to be in retail zones you can afford to sell boxes for $85, and the players will eat that shit up. So why carry boxes at all? Just buy the singles that the players get from the boxes at better margins than you get from selling boxes. ((Option 1: Sell boxes at 2% margins to compete with online retailers or Option 2: Just sell packs whenever someone just feels like impulse buying, and buy singles at 70% and sell them at 100%))
In order to make up for it shops are forced to try and make up for it in the singles market. Hopefully Wizards realizes the errors they're making soon, or the player base is going to collapse due to stores shutting down. ((I've had 3 local stores go under within a 50 mile radius because they couldn't get their head around the fact that they have to convert to a singles based magic economy and not pack sale economy))
Contrary to popular belief a store going under is bad for the other stores in the area (long term, in my opinion). I've tried to get store cooperation going in my area but stores are practicing a bunker down approach to things and just trying to "weather the storm". This means there's less of an opportunity for people to wander in and get exposed to the product. That keeps the game from growing and stagnation is a very bad thing. I think I'm rambling so I'm going to just stop talking about things. It upsets me seeing shops eat blame that should fall squarely on Wizards and the player base's shoulders.
Note: I'm biased. I own a shop. My shop is fine because I am lucky to have a very loyal customer base, and even then a lot of my customers go through online channels instead to save 10 bucks. Other shops don't have the luxury I have.
I mean this is why I ultimately try and get product from my LGS before I go somewhere like SCG or Channel Fireball.
It's still expensive unfortunately.
And jesus christ I hope my pulls are as good on Wednesday (hopefully my shit is here by then) as yours have been O.O
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On October 06 2015 07:51 Risen wrote:
Contrary to popular belief a store going under is bad for the other stores in the area (long term, in my opinion). I've tried to get store cooperation going in my area but stores are practicing a bunker down approach to things and just trying to "weather the storm". This means there's less of an opportunity for people to wander in and get exposed to the product. That keeps the game from growing and stagnation is a very bad thing. I think I'm rambling so I'm going to just stop talking about things. It upsets me seeing shops eat blame that should fall squarely on Wizards and the player base's shoulders.
Note: I'm biased. I own a shop. My shop is fine because I am lucky to have a very loyal customer base, and even then a lot of my customers go through online channels instead to save 10 bucks. Other shops don't have the luxury I have.
Doesn't this make you feel like the game is on lifesupport? Doesn't it make you think in 10 years mtgo cards are going to be worth more than physical cards?
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mtgo being ultra shitty will properly prevent this D:
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On October 06 2015 22:10 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
mtgo being ultra shitty will properly prevent this D:
Pretty much this.
Its amazing how bad MTGO is compared to how big Magic is
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
i do agree with the sentiment that wizards have royally fucked up a lot of their business decisions (no-reprint lists, etc). I love the game but there are better ways to conduct business that Wizards will not own up to. It might have to do with Hasbro owning WotC, who knows.
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Wizards DEFINITELY control secondary market prices. $1 packs and moving certain staples (rare duals) down the rarity tier, plus removal of retarded concepts like "planeswalkers must be mythic" and really removing the mythic rarity entirely and presto not a card in standard costs more than $10. And that suggestion doesn't even ruin limited (which is a problem with a lot of suggestions that lower the cost of standard).
It's the same as pharmaceutical companies selling penny-pills for hundreds of dollars per, they do because they can.
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It's funny that when Mythics came out Wizard's ostensible stance was that they'd never print 4-of tournament staples at Mythic. People kind of forgot about that, and it nobody even bats an eye at it being the case now.
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On October 07 2015 02:59 TheYango wrote:
It's funny that when Mythics came out Wizard's ostensible stance was that they'd never print 4-of tournament staples at Mythic. People kind of forgot about that, and it nobody even bats an eye at it being the case now.
I don't think this is true, whenever a mythic card is released either half the people are complaining that it's garbage despite being mythic or the other half are complaining about mythic staples.
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Well, what wizards said IIRC was they weren't going to make cards mythic based on power level but rather for reasons like "it feels mythical" you know. Which seemed cool and they kinda started that way but I don't think anybody smart expected it to last.
What'll be really interesting to see is what happens when they print the first mythic cycle of duals or w/e.
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On October 07 2015 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, what wizards said IIRC was they weren't going to make cards mythic based on power level but rather for reasons like "it feels mythical" you know. Which seemed cool and they kinda started that way but I don't think anybody smart expected it to last.
The exact statement they made was that they would never print "utility cards" at Mythic, and cited nonbasic lands and removal as examples.
In that regard Quarantine Field is actually significant, because I think it's actually the first plain removal spell printed at mythic.
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The mythic discussion is a bit stupid. There are crap mythics and very valuable mythics (constructed staples).
So if they only print valuable mythics 50% are crying about how expensive they are. If they print a few valuable ones and a few ones that turn out to be cheap people cry when they open the cheap ones.
U cant have a cake and eat it, too.
I like where we are at right now. Hopefully cards like Inquisition of Kozilek (a 10-15 € uncommon from a new set) or Snapcaster Mage (a very expensive rare from a new set) will see a reprint in ModernMasters3. Not because i expect a significant prize drop but because of availability.
BfZ is a nice format for limited and Im excited for the upcoming Pro Tour 
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reminder that they reprinted goyf at mythic in double-cost packs lmao
snap would 10000000% be mythic, inquisition probably rare since thoughtsieze is precedent.
PS: Inquisition doesn't really count as a recent set anymore imo
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On October 07 2015 03:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
The mythic discussion is a bit stupid. There are crap mythics and very valuable mythics (constructed staples).
So if they only print valuable mythics 50% are crying about how expensive they are. If they print a few valuable ones and a few ones that turn out to be cheap people cry when they open the cheap ones.
It's possible to have "good" mythics that are not 4-of staples. Many of the early mythics were like this. As good as the Lorwyn/Alara walkers and Baneslayer Angel were, they were never really auto-includes and only infrequently ran up to 4-of in any given deck--but absolutely no one would be unhappy about pulling one of them. I think that was a healthy use of the mythic rarity and while they were expensive, none of them really ballooned past the $20 mark in value.
JaceTMS was the turning point where we got a mythic that actually reached auto-include status, and a season later we had multiple Mythics that blew up past $20 each.
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On October 07 2015 03:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
U cant have a cake and eat it, too.
You could if they charged 50$/set (instead of over 1000$) like ethical businessmen.
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On October 07 2015 03:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
reminder that they reprinted goyf at mythic in double-cost packs lmao
snap would 10000000% be mythic, inquisition probably rare since thoughtsieze is precedent.
PS: Inquisition doesn't really count as a recent set anymore imo
Snapcaster might be rare, since it's a utility card like noble hierarch. We have no hope for Liliana of the Veil however.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Chase Mythics ensure someone's buying underwhelming sets like Bonfire of the Damned in AVR, Voice of Resurgence in GTC, Jace in ORI, and Expeditions in BFZ it seems.
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On October 07 2015 03:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
reminder that they reprinted goyf at mythic in double-cost packs lmao
snap would 10000000% be mythic, inquisition probably rare since thoughtsieze is precedent.
PS: Inquisition doesn't really count as a recent set anymore imo
for me every modern legal set is pretty much recent. Standard and modern as easily the most played formats (ofc besides limited).Its not really about the years be it 3, 5 or even more. Modern is expensive but I hope they can make the cards available with ModerMasters coming every 2 years..
Then again MM2015 was a freaking joke in terms of useful uncommons. Remand the only real one. Dismember not really worth talking about.
I really hope they make the uncommons in MM17 a little bit more valuable. And never again a card like Comet Storm at mythic.( I realize it was a limited decision but still..)
I dont like crying about prices: Its a simple question of demand..
And to be fair: Almost everyone nowadays buys displays for 70-90€ and thats just very cheap tbh if i compare it with what i paid for a booster when i was 7-18 years old.
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