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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
There is definitely a lot if potential. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
When I used to grind online I was calculating my EV, grinding dailies and premier events, recording my wins/losses on a spreadsheet, figuring out if it was better for myself to double que or single que, participating in MOCS, attending local events with good prize structure. . But when you start to play that much mtg(and online, so i wasn't making friends or interacting with other people) it stops being fun. The problem with EV is it doesn't actually account for enjoying the playing of the game. Yeah I might net 3.6 tickets on average, but did I have fun playing? I don't know if i enjoy the grind anymore, and I'd rather be playing face to face games at this point with people that want to have a good time. I'm not looking to play casual edh or kitchen table games though.. I just want good quality competitive games of Netrunner, MTG, Game of Thrones LCG, whatever where both players are playing their best. Starcity Portland Open was my first mtg tournament I've attended since moving to Portland 3 years ago(unless the 3-4 weeknight drafts I did randomly count). It was actually quite a bit of fun, I went in without playing a game of standard since 2011 and I was able to hold my own, but more importantly I approached the game with a completely different mentality then I had in the past. I freely let people take things back when it was clear what their intention was and no hidden information was revealed, I interacted and chatted with my opponents, discussed plays with them and generally enjoyed myself. I had only 1 bad experience with an opponent in 15 rounds which is a lot better than I remember when i used to play MTG. My opponents on the other hand, while many seemed to enjoy themselves, several seemed to have a bad time losing even though we had a pleasant game, and I can remember being in their shoes. Its tough, especially when you spend quite a bit of $ to travel, hotel room, food, entry fees... etc. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On May 04 2015 03:37 MoonBear wrote: I had a lot of difficulty reading this and I couldn't figure out what the author was trying to get at tbh. Does someone mind explaining it to me? His narrative is "If you dedicate your life to competitive magic you are a tool, a pawn, and a moron" | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On May 05 2015 11:36 BlueBird. wrote: I think one thing the article touches on, and I find to be true for myself, is that MTG stops being a game for a lot of people if your treating it like its poker and just trying to win for the sake of the prizes/loot. I think when people get to that point in Magic, they're just insane and need to take a break. It doesn't take much to figure out that EV in Magic is terrible. Of course you can go positive, but not by much. If you're only worried about winning prizes, then you really just ought to play Poker where you can get real return on investment. Don't get me wrong, I'm a really really competitive player and I do what I can to go positive on MTGO, but if you're end goal is EV, then you have it all wrong. On May 07 2015 03:17 RoieTRS wrote: The article was a bunch of half-truths picked to fit his narrative (whether or not he did it consciously) but I think the narrative itself is interesting. His narrative is "If you dedicate your life to competitive magic you are a tool, a pawn, and a moron" I'm just confused as to why he plays Magic at all? | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On May 07 2015 06:20 Thieving Magpie wrote: But what makes magic worse than pretty much any other profession? The conclusions in his argument was clear, it was his argument that seems rather non-existent. The evidence he provides is "look at the numbers for the esports scene". We don't know the authors experience in other games but he references league of legends. Ask anyone even remotely in the know in LoL and they'll say if your goal is to be on the LCS then probably find a better goal. So its basically the same yeah I agree | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On May 07 2015 06:37 Whole wrote: I'm just confused as to why he plays Magic at all? The social aspect and because if he says he hates the game, it's hyperbole, as told by someone who has studied and played the game for years at the highest level where even the tiniest microscopic flaw becomes a huge issue. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On May 07 2015 14:11 RoieTRS wrote: The evidence he provides is "look at the numbers for the esports scene". We don't know the authors experience in other games but he references league of legends. Ask anyone even remotely in the know in LoL and they'll say if your goal is to be on the LCS then probably find a better goal. So its basically the same yeah I agree I think Magic is much better in that aspect though. Like being on the Pro Tour or even something like Top 8'ing a GP is a very reasonable goal to reach compared to getting to the LCS or being invited to some esports tournament. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On May 07 2015 14:11 RoieTRS wrote: The evidence he provides is "look at the numbers for the esports scene". We don't know the authors experience in other games but he references league of legends. Ask anyone even remotely in the know in LoL and they'll say if your goal is to be on the LCS then probably find a better goal. So its basically the same yeah I agree The other problem is that the barrier of entry in regular E-sports competitions is astronomically higher than it is for Magic. You can't show up somewhere with 4 buddies for a Dota 2 or LoL open and immediately compete for a 20,000 prize pool. You can definitely just show up to an SCG Open or Grand Prix and have that opportunity. While Magic's overall prize pool in the course of a year is certainly lower than the major E-sports, it isn't by as much as one might infer. Rather Magic's overall prize pool is spread out between so many events that not everyone can access and it feels smaller than it is. While you might only have one or two chances at those Open tournaments to make a name for yourself and "go positive", there's probably one just like it somewhere in the world every weekend. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On May 08 2015 01:17 Wingblade wrote: The other problem is that the barrier of entry in regular E-sports competitions is astronomically higher than it is for Magic. You can't show up somewhere with 4 buddies for a Dota 2 or LoL open and immediately compete for a 20,000 prize pool. You can definitely just show up to an SCG Open or Grand Prix and have that opportunity. While Magic's overall prize pool in the course of a year is certainly lower than the major E-sports, it isn't by as much as one might infer. Rather Magic's overall prize pool is spread out between so many events that not everyone can access and it feels smaller than it is. While you might only have one or two chances at those Open tournaments to make a name for yourself and "go positive", there's probably one just like it somewhere in the world every weekend. What are you trying to argue? Because the evidence you gave me didn't contradict me and seemed to say "MTG is glorified gambling where even John LiteralNobody can win a prestigious event." And how can you even argue the barrier to entry in mtg is lower when there's a 200 page rulebook | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Florenz team sealed anyone? Im going =) | ||
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annedeman
Netherlands350 Posts
 team sealed is so great, and florence is a beautifull city | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Tarias
Netherlands480 Posts
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
On May 13 2015 07:58 Uranium wrote: Just reg'ed for Vegas. Any suggestions for resources to look at regarding MM2015 sealed? I'm seeing a lot of stuff about DTK, but that doesn't help me right now... http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/modern-masters-2015-draft-archetypes is ok | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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Kaethis
Netherlands112 Posts
Outstanding in particular are the bloodthirst deck (B/R) because of it's insane speed (and the threat of getting burned clean out off of a banefire or Profane Command) and the Spirits deck if you get some Nameless inversions to go with your Thief of Hopes. W/U artifacts is completely broken if it comes toghether but it does so less often. The support cards for this archetype are simply on another level, as it's hard to fight through a deck that casts Thoughtcasts for 1 following it up with Dispatch. Glint Hawk Idol in particular seems an all-star. The problem here is that other decks also want your Living Weapons, equipment etc. G/U graft is very powerfull as well, and a lot of your cards don't do that much for other decks. Thrummingbird is most likely your best card here and they come around late, helped by the fact that B/U (the other proliferate deck) is meh. G/R Domain seems meh. The payoff is there but very hard to put toghether correctly. Very real risk of flooding out and the karoos are awkward with Tribal Flames etc but needed for your Dragonsoul knight and Skyreach Manta. Elementals can be very rewarding because Smokebraider and Soulstoke come around really late, but it leans heavily on getting some good 'value' elementals like Mulldrifter. Also to note is that Smokebraider makes any colour of mana, and Horde of Notions is completely unbeatable if it comes down and they don't have an answer. Kinda dissappointing Shriekmaw isn't in the set. R/W can win games out of nowhere with Brute Force and Mighty Leap. I've won some games on turn 4 off of a Viashino Slaughtermaster that way, jumping him for the 1shot. Very vulnerable to removal though, and B/R is grabbing your Stormblood berserkers (awesome card btw) while W/U is grabbing your equipment. B/U seems to lack synergy. I can see the set being really awkward for sealed because a lot of the cards do nothing outside of their archetypes. Probably best to not stare yourself blind on the synergies and just build your bombs. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I did over 20-30 test sealeds already but Im still lacking expierence in playing with them so I dont know how strong the archetypes are. But 2-3 waxmanes + thiefs and other spirits + arcane spells seems pretty nasty | ||
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