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FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
October 03 2013 03:32 GMT
#9381
Complexity for the sake of complexity is pretty weak. I dare argue that it actually made combat easier for many people, which I think is a bad thing. With an increase in creature power, and numerous effects on creatures, I think combat and strategies are just as interesting and rewarding now. And removing damage on the stack has made combat harder, rather than easier, imo. Simpler but more skill intensive is good.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 03 2013 03:38 GMT
#9382
On October 03 2013 12:10 DEN1ED wrote:
"Cleaner" just seems like a different way to say "simpler" to me. Sure it is counter-intuitive but tons of stuff in magic is. It just added another layer of depth to combat. It's like if they were to take away declare attackers step in present day.

Also, I wouldn't say it made some strategy's too strong. Almost all decks could abuse it. Goblins/affinity had lots of sac. Slide could block and slide out their guy. Ravenous baloth was awesome in green decks.


The depth argument wasn't that significant, you just played differently.
Get it by your hands...
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
October 03 2013 04:05 GMT
#9383
In the vast majority of cases you had to do your effect after damage was dealt, it's just that new players didn't know to do it. Not really a strategic decision.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 04:46:37
October 03 2013 04:45 GMT
#9384
It basically punished players who didn't know any better. Like the first time you had someone do that to you at a FMN or in casual play, you just feel like you were mugged and pissed on then got riverdanced on your head. Afterwards, you knew better than to be out buying your kid's Christmas gift at 5 in the morning the day of.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, I am that tired. And a cookie to anyone who gets my reference.
Get it by your hands...
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
October 03 2013 04:49 GMT
#9385
It made the math of combat much more difficult, which I liked. Cards like arcbound ravager and mogg fanatic meant there was so many ways for damage to resolve that it really rewarded you for carefully considering every block. Now you just stick the 3/3 in front of the 2/2 and that's that most of the time. Sure you still have to think about tricks in their hand but there was still that too on top of all the on-board tricks.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 03 2013 04:54 GMT
#9386
On October 03 2013 11:14 eluv wrote:
Combat damage on the stack just makes cards like Experiment One even more broke than they already are, and mana burn creates actual gameplay in such a tiny range of circumstances, it's the kind of effect that should have been on a card, not built into the base rules.


That would've been infinitely more sensible.

On October 03 2013 13:45 Judicator wrote:
It basically punished players who didn't know any better. Like the first time you had someone do that to you at a FMN or in casual play, you just feel like you were mugged and pissed on then got riverdanced on your head. Afterwards, you knew better than to be out buying your kid's Christmas gift at 5 in the morning the day of.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, I am that tired. And a cookie to anyone who gets my reference.


Thought that'd be an Unhinged card's flavor text, but a quick Gatherer search for relevant terms didn't turn up anything. Then I Googled "magic the gathering riverdance" and got a bunch of hits for Ireland's "Riverdance: The Gathering." Lol? X-D
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
October 03 2013 05:11 GMT
#9387
On October 03 2013 13:49 DEN1ED wrote:
It made the math of combat much more difficult, which I liked. Cards like arcbound ravager and mogg fanatic meant there was so many ways for damage to resolve that it really rewarded you for carefully considering every block. Now you just stick the 3/3 in front of the 2/2 and that's that most of the time. Sure you still have to think about tricks in their hand but there was still that too on top of all the on-board tricks.


Mogg fanatic was not a decision at all. It was just block, do damage, then sac. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Now it actually would be a decision.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 03 2013 06:47 GMT
#9388
On October 03 2013 13:45 Judicator wrote:
It basically punished players who didn't know any better. Like the first time you had someone do that to you at a FMN or in casual play, you just feel like you were mugged and pissed on then got riverdanced on your head. Afterwards, you knew better than to be out buying your kid's Christmas gift at 5 in the morning the day of.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, I am that tired. And a cookie to anyone who gets my reference.

All that and you were still just short of your N-word privilege .
Average means I'm better than half of you.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 03 2013 12:22 GMT
#9389
Took me a couple tries to figure out you couldn't sac after damage in DotP. Kept getting super annoyed I was missing the timing. They did damage and then flew to my graveyard! Wait I didn't want to waste my dude! Stupid game.

Text my brother and he's like lol it's been awhile.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 03 2013 14:40 GMT
#9390
On October 03 2013 13:54 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 13:45 Judicator wrote:
It basically punished players who didn't know any better. Like the first time you had someone do that to you at a FMN or in casual play, you just feel like you were mugged and pissed on then got riverdanced on your head. Afterwards, you knew better than to be out buying your kid's Christmas gift at 5 in the morning the day of.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, I am that tired. And a cookie to anyone who gets my reference.


Thought that'd be an Unhinged card's flavor text, but a quick Gatherer search for relevant terms didn't turn up anything. Then I Googled "magic the gathering riverdance" and got a bunch of hits for Ireland's "Riverdance: The Gathering." Lol? X-D


Its a Chris Rock reference, basically when white people can use the N-word.
Get it by your hands...
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 20:03:11
October 03 2013 19:59 GMT
#9391
I opened one of the sickest Theros boxes yesterday after my LGS owner talked me into when he said he didnt have the cards I needed.

Elspeth, Ashiok, Purphoros, Stormbreath, Thassa, Hythonia, 2 Thoughtseize, Hero's downfall, 2x Spear of Heliod, Whip of Erebos, foil Nykthos, foil Sylvan Caryatid, 2 anger of the gods....

Edit: Thankfully this box got me the cards I need to play in SCG Cleveland this weekend and states next weekend.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
October 03 2013 20:28 GMT
#9392
Lol TX states are this weekend for some reason.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 03 2013 23:33 GMT
#9393
More reason that States no longer matters.
Get it by your hands...
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
October 03 2013 23:51 GMT
#9394
On October 04 2013 08:33 Judicator wrote:
More reason that States no longer matters.


I never really understood the appeal, I'm only going because it's now at my LGS
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
October 03 2013 23:53 GMT
#9395
On October 04 2013 08:51 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 08:33 Judicator wrote:
More reason that States no longer matters.


I never really understood the appeal, I'm only going because it's now at my LGS

State Champion, then possibly National Champion is a pretty big appeal... States has always been about who is the first to figure out the new Standard format
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 04 2013 00:33 GMT
#9396
Yeah, before I quit the first time, States was like the prelude to Regionals. If you're t8-ing States then you had a some bragging rights heading into Regionals. None of that really exists and States is just now this farce since there's nothing for it to lead into. More than anything its like hurray I beat the people who couldn't travel to a PTQ or anywhere else.
Get it by your hands...
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 02:55:41
October 04 2013 02:55 GMT
#9397
States never actually led into anything though. You could always just go to regionals and then qualify for nats. It was just a tournament that every state had the same weekend that payed out the same special prizes. I still have my foil full art doran. Wsh I played the following year for mutavault though....

Also, Cali "states" is next weekend for me.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 04 2013 03:52 GMT
#9398
Yep, it was just a matter of pride and a who's who or what's what for regionals.
Get it by your hands...
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 04 2013 04:19 GMT
#9399
Hello,

I want my friend to get into magic, and from what I've shown him he likes artifacts (cause he likes the color grey or something).
I'm thinking of buying a fat pack from the scars of mirrodin set, because from what I recall those guys had lots of artifacts. Is this a good / cheap way to get artifacts? Which of the three in the block would be best, or is there another set that I might not know about?
el_dawg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States164 Posts
October 04 2013 04:27 GMT
#9400
On October 04 2013 13:19 slOosh wrote:
Hello,

I want my friend to get into magic, and from what I've shown him he likes artifacts (cause he likes the color grey or something).
I'm thinking of buying a fat pack from the scars of mirrodin set, because from what I recall those guys had lots of artifacts. Is this a good / cheap way to get artifacts? Which of the three in the block would be best, or is there another set that I might not know about?


You could try to find the elspeth v tezzeret dual deck if that is still around. Or maybe some of the scars block intro packs. I'm not sure how easy either of those are to find now though.
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