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On July 10 2013 01:36 Risen wrote:
Why the Stensia Bloodhall? Love that you're going Oros, though :D

On July 10 2013 00:52 Shotcoder wrote:
not missing the point at all. You want it to offset farseek which means you want it to be a main deck-able card. It's not. it's a 1-2 of in the board at best.

Edit: and if you're talking about you're BUG list I don't know why this would even be a discussion with access to Decay, Putrefy, Gaze, Murder...etc.

On July 10 2013 02:01 Shotcoder wrote:
Still not missing the point at all(although I thought we were talking about BUG not Esper).

That color combination has access to way better removal spells than doom blade atm. If what you're worried about is BTE or it's follow up then why not just run warped physique or Orzhov charm? At least those have the ability to hit more, even with orzhov charms down side it seems better.

On July 10 2013 06:34 Audemed wrote:
How is warped physique worse than death wind? Just because it can miss sometimes if you had to dump your hand quickly and got no draws doesn't make it worse than an X spell. That's like saying that syncopate is better than mana leak because it has limitations.

On July 10 2013 10:42 Judicator wrote:


Because I can't control the X, it really is that simple. Syncopate is worse than Mana Leak...dunno why of all the examples you could use you decide on that one.

On July 10 2013 11:22 Audemed wrote:


That's the point. Just because mana leak is stuck at "counter unless pay 3" doesn't mean that it's worse than an X spell that you can "control the X". In esper, if you're having problems removing something with warped physique, you probably can't kill it with death wind either, and death wind is entirely overpriced in any situation, not to mention its early game uselessness.

Sure, I may be wrong; I play UWR and not esper (although I play against it plenty), but I've seen what the card can do and have heard nothing but good comments from those who use it. What are you trying to kill that WP can't deal with?

On July 10 2013 11:38 Judicator wrote:


That's my point, if I was to run Warped Physique why the hell would I expose myself to that inconsistency if I was playing the card specifically to kill a certain creature? Death Wind is overcosted, but it will kill THE creature that I would need it to. So why bother with the drawback of the WP and just take the consistency of DW. Control decks like Esper don't need that because they just die if you trip up, more so than other decks. Consistency matters more than anything for control because we're playing a reactive game plan for the first 5 turns mostly in a threat-based format. Also, people played the card because that's how much we were hurting for a solid 2 CMC spot removal.

Mana Leak is stuck at pay 3, Warped Physique isn't and that makes all the difference.

On July 10 2013 11:45 Cel.erity wrote:
Edit: nm what I just posted, I was thinking of the wrong card.

However, I think Warped Physique is much better than Death Wind in every respect. Death Wind is better at killing large things in a topdeck war, but that's about it. In every other scenario, the mana cost is prohibitive. A control deck can't afford to be behind 1-2 mana on tempo with its removal. I wouldn't say there are a lot of decks which want Warped Physique, but I don't think there are any decks that want Death Wind.

On July 10 2013 12:07 Audemed wrote:


It doesn't matter that it's not locked when the alternative that you're giving is unplayable. Yes, it's not locked in at what the negative toughness that's provided is, but it seems that what you're asking for is a 2 CMC unconditional removal. If WP isn't going to cut it, use doomblade, or ultimate price, or Victim, or devour flesh, or whatever. The issue isn't really that you "can't control it", because you're playing esper. If it's less than -3, your deck is already in bad shape. WP is a 2-of card that's put in the deck to get you to your first wrath, or to deal with indestructible in the late game. It does its job just fine.

On July 10 2013 12:07 Judicator wrote:


The mana cost is fine for the situations where I want something dead then and there. Namely I used it as Obzedat removal much earlier in this standard cycle. It was fine against the aggro decks as well namely at removing turn 1 Nobles. The Physique is like sitting the fence for no reason, but I understand why some players would want it. Can't justify it right now and if you are playing a kill spell like that, you probably want something specifically dead so it makes no sense to play WP over it.

Neither card is something I would play right now in any case and I'll take consistency over most things in a control deck.



No, I am not asking for unconditional removal, I am asking the kill card to kill what I need it to kill every time which is the opposite of unconditional removal. WP doesn't so its out. Like I have said before, if I am playing a card like this in the first place, the intended card needs to die. It's not a catch all removal and it certainly is not intended to be an efficient removal.

As for its actual efficiency, I should point out that DW worked out pretty well with Resto Angel when Esper was still running those.

On July 10 2013 14:35 FireSA wrote:
Will likely play another cube draft soon, though it'll likely be a different format, like pauper cube draft or themes. Not really knowledgeable on these, anyone have experiences themselves with cube drafts, and what is and isn't fun?

On July 10 2013 14:33 Audemed wrote:
It depends on the rarity. You're very very unlikely to draft into a sphinx's revelation, for example. If all you need is commons/uncommons, then keep drafting, you'll get them eventually. For rares, it's better to just up and buy them.