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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 08 2013 00:20 GMT
#7401
Free forever, I have been using it for 3 years now.
Get it by your hands...
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
May 08 2013 00:27 GMT
#7402
Awesome. Thanks, all! Friends will be glad to hear this, lol....

Bought a bunch of cards Sunday online with a friend as a joint order. Looking to make my Boros aggro deck from the GC Prerelease standard-legal and not awful, lolol. Will test various compositions and post my final decklist.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
May 09 2013 01:39 GMT
#7403
SB is a WIP, but this my first draft of my boros "second wave" deck. Aims to exploit Legions initiative as much as possible, so quite red heavy, and is designed to do "waves" of dudes to avoid dying to wipes. Slayers/guildmage are to act as mana sinks on turns when I already have my dudes down for that wave, and the boros charms are more for protection than reach. Bonfire is a placeholder more than anything, feels like it's more effective as 2 of than any other 2 burn spells.

+ Show Spoiler +

4 Wojek Halberdiers
2 Firemane Avenger
3 Boros Charm
2 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Slayers' Stronghold
4 Sacred Foundry
3 Clifftop Retreat
3 Boros Guildgate
4 Plains
6 Mountain
3 Viashino Firstblade
4 Ash Zealot
4 Legion's Initiative
4 Legion Loyalist
3 Tajic, Blade of the Legion
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Lightning Mauler
4 Sunhome Guildmage

SB: 3 Pyreheart Wolf

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 09 2013 03:59 GMT
#7404
Firemane avenger is pretty weak in current standard because resto angel just straight up beats it out of nowhere. Legion loyalist probably shouldn't be a four of (replace at least a few with Rakdos cackler or Stromkirk Noble). Seems fairly solid other than that, but you may want some spearing spear/pillars of flame for more removal than just Bonfire.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 04:22:40
May 09 2013 04:19 GMT
#7405
So got tired of relying on Sphinx's Revelation, Esper's on the shelf until at least next block (the chances of M14 being good to control are next to 0). Instead, I went tuning for BUG control. You know what I realized? Urban Evolution into Aetherling will kill most opponents pretty handily. The mana base still needs tweaking since the spells are color intensive. I like the deck, it can do what I want and give me free wins off of Aetherling.

Deck list for anyone curious, its still being tinkered with so feel free to provide suggestions

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// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
3 [RTR] Overgrown Tomb
4 [GTC] Breeding Pool
4 [GTC] Watery Grave
4 [M13] Drowned Catacomb
3 [ISD] Hinterland Harbor
3 [ISD] Woodland Cemetery
3 [ISD] Nephalia Drownyard
1 [ISD] Island (1)
1 [AVR] Alchemist's Refuge

// Creatures
2 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
2 [DGM] AEtherling
3 [M13] Thragtusk

// Spells
2 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
3 [ISD] Think Twice
3 [DGM] Putrefy
2 [DGM] Gaze of Granite
1 [AVR] Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 [M13] Jace, Memory Adept
4 [M13] Farseek
3 [GTC] Urban Evolution
2 [M13] Garruk, Primal Hunter
2 [DGM] Far/Away
2 [RTR] Syncopate
1 [ISD] Dissipate
1 [RTR] Cyclonic Rift
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 09 2013 04:30 GMT
#7406
I'm making a BUG Control myself. Here's the list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bug-control-dragons-maze/

I don't have the Planeswalkers you do, but I added more spells, wights, and progenitor mimics. I can see how your list works differently than mine though.

Can some people give their thoughts on my deck?
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 09 2013 04:33 GMT
#7407
Forgot about progenitor mimic. Need to try it out and see.
Get it by your hands...
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
May 09 2013 04:47 GMT
#7408
@ jud, why 2 sycopates instead of more dissipate? I'm assuming its for colors, but in my (albeit limited) UWR experience, I just found that it got useless by T4 against all but the most aggressive (low land) decks.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
May 09 2013 04:51 GMT
#7409
On May 09 2013 12:59 GiygaS wrote:
Firemane avenger is pretty weak in current standard because resto angel just straight up beats it out of nowhere. Legion loyalist probably shouldn't be a four of (replace at least a few with Rakdos cackler or Stromkirk Noble). Seems fairly solid other than that, but you may want some spearing spear/pillars of flame for more removal than just Bonfire.


I know about the whole resto killing avenger gig, which is why I haven't been able to use her in the past. I feel confident she'll work out alright (as a 2 of) due to her being pumped to a 4/4 or greater under most circumstances. As to the 1-drops, I don't intend to ever really drop loyalist T1. He's there as a "combat trick" and to push battalion on avenger, halberdiers, and more importantly, tajic. He just has the bonus of getting pumped by LI and having the first strike, which with the LI buff might actually allow him to swing in more than once. Although cackler and noble are better 1-drops in a proper RDW deck, they don't quite fit the bill in what I'm trying to do. Ideally I'll have 3-4 creatures out, then leave that board state and drop nothing else but more LI's and pool dudes in my hand, so if there's a big block or board wipe, I have a new battalion ready to go.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 09 2013 05:43 GMT
#7410
On May 09 2013 13:33 Judicator wrote:
Forgot about progenitor mimic. Need to try it out and see.

I've been testing it out and a bit and it's been working for me as a complete midrange killer. Copy his/your thragtusk and if he doesn't have immediate removal, you are so set it is ridiculous.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 07:03:51
May 09 2013 07:01 GMT
#7411
On May 09 2013 13:33 Judicator wrote:
Forgot about progenitor mimic. Need to try it out and see.


The two (maybe 3) big copy targets are Thragtusk and Angel of Serenity, with Acidic Slime or Sire of Insanity also being an option. Having it poop out a token Thragtusk or AoS at every upkeep will simply destroy any midrange deck, and (assuming you can clone the Slime) having a free Strip Mine attached to a 2/2 deathtouch token is just dirty as all hell.

I won't lie, I'm heavily betting on the Mimic being a card post-rotation. There's just too many ways to protect the spell in Standard right now in the Bant colors (Ready or Rootborn Defenses gives it indestructibility for a sweeper, counterspells to protect vs targetted removal, and edict effects shouldn't work due to the token every turn).
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 09 2013 12:47 GMT
#7412
On May 09 2013 13:47 Audemed wrote:
@ jud, why 2 sycopates instead of more dissipate? I'm assuming its for colors, but in my (albeit limited) UWR experience, I just found that it got useless by T4 against all but the most aggressive (low land) decks.


Syncopates been better than expected. Its killing on the draw where dissipate is kind of useless. I dont think 3 mana counters are in a good place right now. As for useless later on, eh not so much since I don't hang on to it, aka not against just using it early on value cards.
Get it by your hands...
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
May 09 2013 19:13 GMT
#7413
Do cards prices tend to go down fast after prerelease or what? I'm a noobie with a blood baron of vizkopa and some other cards I won't use but I really don't have a clue.
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KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
May 09 2013 19:18 GMT
#7414
On May 10 2013 04:13 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Do cards prices tend to go down fast after prerelease or what? I'm a noobie with a blood baron of vizkopa and some other cards I won't use but I really don't have a clue.


They tend to fluctuate greatly after a while, when players start to look at tournament decks and what those decks play.

There's a big possibility for sleeper cards too, like iirc bonfire and (thragtusk?).

Planeswalkers almost always go down though, I think only JTMS actually went up in value
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 19:21:33
May 09 2013 19:20 GMT
#7415
On May 10 2013 04:13 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Do cards prices tend to go down fast after prerelease or what? I'm a noobie with a blood baron of vizkopa and some other cards I won't use but I really don't have a clue.

People are generally very hype about getting cards when they are first released cause it's all new and shiny. After a while, lots of packs get opened, cards enter the market place and prices generally go down. The exception are in-demand cards used in Standard competitive decks.

Some cards such as Planeswalkers are very price sticky and take a long time to fall even when it's clear they're not worth the stated price (e.g. see Vraska which took almost half a year to drop from $40 at release to the $6 where a mediocre Planeswalker mythic generally ends up).

On May 10 2013 04:18 KtheZ wrote:
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On May 10 2013 04:13 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Do cards prices tend to go down fast after prerelease or what? I'm a noobie with a blood baron of vizkopa and some other cards I won't use but I really don't have a clue.


They tend to fluctuate greatly after a while, when players start to look at tournament decks and what those decks play.

There's a big possibility for sleeper cards too, like iirc bonfire and (thragtusk?).

Planeswalkers almost always go down though, I think only JTMS actually went up in value

And Elspeth.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
May 09 2013 20:22 GMT
#7416
So pissed, could be 3-0 on my first ever sealed tournament if only my client kept working :/
Nearly lost a second time because it starts freezing randomly and I run out of time, the latest update must have broken it for me. Well, hope I can at least go 3-1 :/
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 21:26:12
May 09 2013 20:57 GMT
#7417
Uhmm, do the boosters you win come opened?
Because I don't see it, instead I see another Blood Baron of Vizkopa
e. Now it's gone and I still haven't my booster :c
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 21:43:47
May 09 2013 21:28 GMT
#7418
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 04 2013 11:44 Kurr wrote:
Thanks you gave me some pretty good ideas. Delver/Runechanter's is a no go simply because we've played with them way too much in the past but I will probably pick up Jwar Isle (didn't realize it was so cheap) and Piracy Charm is a decent idea. I don't want kill spells as I want to steal his creatures mostly.

I might just remove the specters and put : Oona's Blackguard
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=153099

Then just change my Latch Seekers for Deathcult Rogues.

I'll change it around a bit as I do agree the Stolen Identities are overkill. Undercity Plague works pretty well for me most games though so I kind of want to keep it but I'll see.

Finally, I'll find something cheap for blue or black that's the equivalent of fog or close enough for early aggro.

Should have more survivability early game without taking too much damage until I can force them to discard their hand then either steal their creatures or Vapor Snag them to force them to discard after (or mana leak after).

Going to try this version out, I think it will work out better than what I am using right now :

+ Show Spoiler +
Creatures :
4x Oona's Blackguard
4x Invisible Stalkers
4x Riptide Pilferer

Instants :
4x Vapor Snag
3x Mana Leak
3x Clutch of the Undercity

Sorcery :
4x Ponder
4x Mental Vapors
4x Hands of Binding
2x Shadow Slice

Enchantments :
4x Soul Ransom


Lands :
4x Dimir Guildgate
4x Drowned Catacombs
2x Watery Grave
5x Islands
5x Swamps


Still not 100% on the Riptides vs Deathcult but I think the mana cost difference and ability to make opponent discard even without Oona's trumps unblockable and 1 damage. Same reasoning with Clutch of the Undercity, I think the 3 damage on it trumps mana costs for Boomerang/Capsize


Hey I reworked my deck because that last iteration was pretty poor. Just wondering what you think of :

+ Show Spoiler +
Creatures :
4x Dimir Infiltrator
4x Invisible Stalkers
4x Inkfathom Infiltrator

Instants :
4x Vapor Snag
3x Undermine
3x Countersquall
3x Clutch of the Undercity

Sorcery :
4x Ponder
4x Hands of Binding
4x Hidden Strings
3x Divination


Lands :
4x Dimir Guildgate
4x Drowned Catacombs
2x Watery Grave
5x Islands
5x Swamps



Wanted to keep everything as low mana cost as possible. All those creatures are the best 2 mana unblockable creatures I could find.

A few things I'm unsure of :
-Modify amount of each instant in the deck? I love all of them but I can't fit the last 4 cards I would need to have 4 of each.
-Think I should try to fit in Call of the Nightwing in? It would let me build of an army, although they would be pretty weak (basically just as blockers I guess).
-EDIT : Yeah Divination makes more sense in this deck I think than Last Thoughts

P.S : Hidden Strings is amazing for my deck. Fixes my mana issue AND lets me have more board control.


Thanks for any advice and keep in mind this is just for friendly magic games with no real super decks.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
May 09 2013 21:47 GMT
#7419
On May 10 2013 05:57 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Uhmm, do the boosters you win come opened?
Because I don't see it, instead I see another Blood Baron of Vizkopa
e. Now it's gone and I still haven't my booster :c


Has the tournament ended? Prizes arent handed out until everyone is done.

The boosters that come as prizes on magic online come sealed in every case that I can think of.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 22:13:54
May 09 2013 22:10 GMT
#7420
are there standard pauper events? on mtgo.
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