EPTWhether they actually sell or not is not actually relevant to the discussion. Ebay shows quite a few power 9s being sold, my LGS has had all power 9 being moved in the last year due to various people wanting to power their cube. You can say that they might be a poor investment due to their inability to be moved, but their value still holds. If you want to make the argument that the stores themselves are benefiting from the actual transaction, but that applies to any product sitting still, and really just means you don't hoard power 9s as a store owner.
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Judicator
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Whether they actually sell or not is not actually relevant to the discussion. Ebay shows quite a few power 9s being sold, my LGS has had all power 9 being moved in the last year due to various people wanting to power their cube. You can say that they might be a poor investment due to their inability to be moved, but their value still holds. If you want to make the argument that the stores themselves are benefiting from the actual transaction, but that applies to any product sitting still, and really just means you don't hoard power 9s as a store owner. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On May 07 2013 10:55 Judicator wrote: They're not guaranteeing exact prices, but rather provide a lower ceiling. Those cards theoretically can only go up, and empirical evidence have shown that is case. Demand still plays a role in determining price points obviously, but supply is fixed. Whether they actually sell or not is not actually relevant to the discussion. Ebay shows quite a few power 9s being sold, my LGS has had all power 9 being moved in the last year due to various people wanting to power their cube. You can say that they might be a poor investment due to their inability to be moved, but their value still holds. If you want to make the argument that the stores themselves are benefiting from the actual transaction, but that applies to any product sitting still, and really just means you don't hoard power 9s as a store owner. It also means that you can't base your entire retail store around, or even count on the steady sale of eternal staples on the reserve list, which in turn means that the economic impact on stores of the reserve list going away isn't going to be super massive. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On May 07 2013 12:48 deth2munkies wrote: It also means that you can't base your entire retail store around, or even count on the steady sale of eternal staples on the reserve list, which in turn means that the economic impact on stores of the reserve list going away isn't going to be super massive. This is true, but it doesn't mean it won't piss off enough individuals for a class action. Just using your 1/10th benchmark, it's still going to be a significant hit to people's investments. I also don't think the power 9s matter that much bar a few people, but the bigger issue lies with the Legacy staples, namely the mana base. Those get moved around a lot, more than what you saw for your store. I don't think any dual at my LGS has stayed in the case for more a week, and we don't have that prominent of a Legacy scene. In either case, Wizards need raw data at this point to figure out if they can get away with this, because that's the only way they can do it, it's really not about how many or how loudly people complain about it. Otherwise, it's bad business practice at this point like MoonBear suggested. The flip-side is that it's foolhardy to assume that just because the apparent consensus is against the RL, does not mean it's actually the majority. Also @MoonBear, the problem with that kind of design to work around the RL is that it would wreck Standard for a full cycle. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
I am looking at something like these 200 ct boxes, using home made dividers to separate card types/factions etc, and make for easy sorting. I don't really want to use a binder, although that isn't out of the question. http://universegames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78_168&products_id=15174 Does anyone have any experience with these, especially as far as travelling. I've seen them being used before but do they open up/spill out easily, would they work for taking cards on an airplane in a backpack without worrying about the cards spilling out and getting damaged? I guess I could tape it closed if I needed too. I might try to find something like this locally, but haven't had any luck so far at three game shops I went too just binders. Any tips on better ideas for storing/organizing a collection than boxes/binders? Also, my opinion on the whole reserve list thing. I HATE it as a player, I know why it's there, so people can feel secure as collectors, etc but as a player, I am not a fan. I just want to be able to play in tournaments with the deck I feel is the strongest. I have no desire to play legacy anytime soon, but soon it will be out of my price range, and even if I wanted too, I wouldn't be able to buy in which is sad. Also from a player perspective, what if a card on the reserve could hypothetically fill a slot in a new set, and make that format really fun. I guess they can always make a functional reprint, but yeah. Also, I'm not even sure reprints of key cards like duels would alter the prices all that much, people love pimped out stuff. They are at an extremely high point so they would probably come down, but I don't see them plummeting(maybe a sharp drop after initial announcement but then climb back to reasonable place) | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On May 07 2013 13:11 Judicator wrote: This is true, but it doesn't mean it won't piss off enough individuals for a class action. Just using your 1/10th benchmark, it's still going to be a significant hit to people's investments. I also don't think the power 9s matter that much bar a few people, but the bigger issue lies with the Legacy staples, namely the mana base. Those get moved around a lot, more than what you saw for your store. I don't think any dual at my LGS has stayed in the case for more a week, and we don't have that prominent of a Legacy scene. In either case, Wizards need raw data at this point to figure out if they can get away with this, because that's the only way they can do it, it's really not about how many or how loudly people complain about it. Otherwise, it's bad business practice at this point like MoonBear suggested. The flip-side is that it's foolhardy to assume that just because the apparent consensus is against the RL, does not mean it's actually the majority. Also @MoonBear, the problem with that kind of design to work around the RL is that it would wreck Standard for a full cycle. I agree, Wizards really needs to do an in-depth study as to how the removal of the RL would effect the store owners. That's really all they need to care about. If you're trying to invest in Magic for financial gain and doing so through RL staples, you're doing it wrong (the real money is in playing the "stock market" of standard playables, buying low selling high). I doubt they would win anything in a class action suit, because the final arbiter of the rules of Magic: The Gathering is and has always been Wizards. Edit: 2 things: On May 07 2013 13:20 BlueBird. wrote: Hey guys, I was wondering how you guys solve card storage for physical collections. Many Shoeboxes. Also: collectors bring nothing to the scene...at all. If someone is hoarding copies of the power 9 as a retirement plan, they're a fucking idiot, if someone is hoarding duals because they like how they look or how rare they are, it's not necessarily diminished by a reprint. Beta duals are still going to be absurdly expensive and just as rare, revised and up will take the brunt of the hit. In neither of these cases are they benefiting Wizards financially or turning people on to the tournament scene. | ||
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kuresuti
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On May 07 2013 13:20 BlueBird. wrote: Hey guys, I was wondering how you guys solve card storage for physical collections. I actually don't have physical magic cards myself, but my card game collection has been growing(netrunner is fun what can I say), and I have various other card games that I play as well. I am looking at something like these 200 ct boxes, using home made dividers to separate card types/factions etc, and make for easy sorting. I don't really want to use a binder, although that isn't out of the question. http://universegames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78_168&products_id=15174 Does anyone have any experience with these, especially as far as travelling. I've seen them being used before but do they open up/spill out easily, would they work for taking cards on an airplane in a backpack without worrying about the cards spilling out and getting damaged? I guess I could tape it closed if I needed too. I might try to find something like this locally, but haven't had any luck so far at three game shops I went too just binders. Any tips on better ideas for storing/organizing a collection than boxes/binders? Also, my opinion on the whole reserve list thing. I HATE it as a player, I know why it's there, so people can feel secure as collectors, etc but as a player, I am not a fan. I just want to be able to play in tournaments with the deck I feel is the strongest. I have no desire to play legacy anytime soon, but soon it will be out of my price range, and even if I wanted too, I wouldn't be able to buy in which is sad. Also from a player perspective, what if a card on the reserve could hypothetically fill a slot in a new set, and make that format really fun. I guess they can always make a functional reprint, but yeah. Also, I'm not even sure reprints of key cards like duels would alter the prices all that much, people love pimped out stuff. They are at an extremely high point so they would probably come down, but I don't see them plummeting(maybe a sharp drop after initial announcement but then climb back to reasonable place) I have two of the large ones with 5 rows. I am not completely satisfied but it works good enough. The cards won't sit tight unless you cram the box full with them and if you do it's hard to grab them. I usually leave enough space for an ultra pro deckbox to fit and use that to tighten a row of cards, since it's way easier to remove later than actual cards. My biggest gripe is that the rows don't have dividers in them, but I guess they have smaller boxes for that if it's becoming a problem. Like I said, unless you cram it the cards sit kind of loose towards both sides. If you shake the box a bit I guess the cards could get damaged edges, so I wouldn't do it. I never carry mine vertically either as I wouldn't risk the cards getting damaged. If I'm traveling a further distance I just take a couple of decks with me in normal deck boxes. tl;dr: Would use for storage, wouldn't use for transportation. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
Completely agree that collectors bring nothing to the scene. Kuresuti: Thanks, so it sounds like it doesn't exactly fit what I'm looking for, I don't mind the storage boxes not being able to travel I suppose, I can always use my 6 deck boxes to take decks with me, but I't doesn't sound like these work as well as I would like. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
For cards I consider playable commons and uncommons, or common/uncommon cards that have a good value to them (like Path to Exile, Lightning Bolt, etc.) I keep those in a small but sturdy Christmas ornament box, and the Standard-legal commons and uncommons in one of those card boxes you get from a Fat Pack. I keep all rares that I'm fine with trading away in a binder, some of said cards in sleeves as well as in the binder mainly to preserve their financial value. The rares I keep a hold of I store in another small card box and never have that box leave my room. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Take out cards of value and just keep a running tally of them, it makes bulking them much easier. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On May 07 2013 14:11 BlueBird. wrote: Deth2Munkies: Are those just thrown in to shoeboxes, or have you figured out a way to keep them organized and sorted, and fit well in there? I have seen some home made storage solutions before that are pretty nifty/interesting. Completely agree that collectors bring nothing to the scene. Kuresuti: Thanks, so it sounds like it doesn't exactly fit what I'm looking for, I don't mind the storage boxes not being able to travel I suppose, I can always use my 6 deck boxes to take decks with me, but I't doesn't sound like these work as well as I would like. Rares/money cards = Binder Standard Playable uncommons/commons = Fat pack box All else = shoeboxes by color. | ||
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deth2munkies
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On May 08 2013 01:50 Leonii wrote: I am going to a carboot sale on Sunday, I highly doubt there will be any magic cards there but I figure it won't do much harm to look and I was wondering if you guys could tell me any cards I should look out for that would be valuable, mostly Legacy cards as I have no experience with it. Pretty much anything from Alpha/Beta is valuable (black border, no expansion symbol, really fuckin old). Apart from that too many cards to name. If it's just a garage sale full of old cards, buy the lot for cheap, you're bound to get something unless they're specifically playing you. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
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 ) Won't be able to play much till the summer however, but I'll list my handle and relevant info. here when it's up. | ||
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jxx
Brazil307 Posts
On May 08 2013 06:47 cLAN.Anax wrote: Gonna bite the bullet and buy MTGO since Cockatrice is still down. (will be like a birthday present to myself ) Won't be able to play much till the summer however, but I'll list my handle and relevant info. here when it's up.You know there are other Cockatrice-like programs out there right? Magic workstation for example... | ||
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iGrok
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On May 08 2013 06:47 cLAN.Anax wrote: Gonna bite the bullet and buy MTGO since Cockatrice is still down. (will be like a birthday present to myself ) Won't be able to play much till the summer however, but I'll list my handle and relevant info. here when it's up.Server: play.woogerworks.com Port: 4747 | ||
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cLAN.Anax
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On May 08 2013 07:53 jxx wrote: You know there are other Cockatrice-like programs out there right? Magic workstation for example... Workstation is only free for 40, as far I can tell. $40 for full version. @iGork and Meta: I'll try those out, and thanks. Still probably going to get MTGO upon the recommendation of a friend since he plays it. Maybe I'll just learn all of them, lol. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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