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ManyCookies
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Tadatomo
84 Posts
It is good vs very slow control decks. Very strong vs milling decks. But everything else it gets steamrolled, not even close. So often you are going to draw the same creature and it just doesn't trigger. I tried it many different ways and it doesn't work out. When Kraken Hatchling becomes a good card in your deck you know your deck sucks. You need it to trigger 2 times to get even, 3 times to get ahead. Just doesn't work out in more than half the cases. | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 15 2013 09:20 Tadatomo wrote: I am trying an evolve deck. It sounds both cool and strong on paper. But it is fucking bad. Without cards like Experiment One and Elusive Krasis it just sucks. It doesn't trigger. You get your creatures in the wrong order. It is just too fucking slow. Or just one spell counters it all. It is good vs very slow control decks. Very strong vs milling decks. But everything else it gets steamrolled, not even close. So often you are going to draw the same creature and it just doesn't trigger. I tried it many different ways and it doesn't work out. When Kraken Hatchling becomes a good card in your deck you know your deck sucks. You need it to trigger 2 times to get even, 3 times to get ahead. Just doesn't work out in more than half the cases. evolve like all the mechanics is driven for limited. Thus the cards with those mechanics are often the worst. There are some reasonable evolve guys like e1 and gyre sage, but thats about it. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Tadatomo
84 Posts
That they lose to black lotus and the 150 dollar decks is only natural. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On February 15 2013 09:32 Tadatomo wrote: I play standard pauper exclusively. That they lose to black lotus and the 150 dollar decks is only natural. Should probably note that when you first talk about your perspective then, eh? :S | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On February 15 2013 09:08 ManyCookies wrote: I figured from the 3 ticket Shocklands. Are foils worth significantly more than their counterparts? I pulled a Foil Prime Speaker, does 8 tickets sound reasonable for a fringe-play-with-some-potential foil mythic? Not to be like a speculator, but that card has room to grow. I think you'd be selling low at 8. Foils are more rare, and thus, usually more valuable. They have aesthetic appeal and social appeal. There's a certain capital to owning a foiled out cube or standard deck or EDH deck. Anyways, yes, they're worth more. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
The problem is that instead of Thragtusks and Thundermaws, you don't want to run any more than 2xObzedat due its legend status. Also Priest of Penance is interesting and my guess is what makes that deck tick, but it lacks 2 power so it can't pressure on its own. Personally, I don't like it because it LOOKS clunky and I don't think it has enough consistency or cards that just take over the game outside of Council. Honestly, I think he should have gone with more Tragic Slips since he's playing Lingering Souls, -13/-13 for B is like a Path or Swords with the trade off of a creature dying. The Dead Weight I know why he's playing them but it's so ugly since it's interaction with Kessig Wolf Run is god awful, and there's no Sun Titan interaction this time around. Edit: The TLDR version, basically the tag midrange is a misnomer because this deck strikes me as neither a control nor an aggro, so we decided to stick a midrange label on it when I am not sure what it's suppose to due in mid range. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On February 15 2013 09:20 Tadatomo wrote: I am trying an evolve deck. It sounds both cool and strong on paper. But it is fucking bad. Without cards like Experiment One and Elusive Krasis it just sucks. It doesn't trigger. You get your creatures in the wrong order. It is just too fucking slow. Or just one spell counters it all. It is good vs very slow control decks. Very strong vs milling decks. But everything else it gets steamrolled, not even close. So often you are going to draw the same creature and it just doesn't trigger. I tried it many different ways and it doesn't work out. When Kraken Hatchling becomes a good card in your deck you know your deck sucks. You need it to trigger 2 times to get even, 3 times to get ahead. Just doesn't work out in more than half the cases. I played simic evolve in a draft, and really it's almost entirely useless without the master biomancer, which I got P1P1. The times it came out, I dominated. When it didn't, it was very, very slow. I think a playset of biomancers, E1, drakewing krasis, and simic charms are a good place to start before anything else if you're trying to make it in constructed. | ||
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EasyPush
Sweden70 Posts
I would routinely have a 3/4 flier and a 4/3 shark and 2 more guys on turn 4. Won the draft 6-0 and played against my other friends "nut gruul deck" he had drafted in another draft and beat it 6-1. The simic guildmage is the stone cold nuts in the mid/late game with a heavy evolve deck. And early game it's a 2/2 for 2 that evolves all 1 drops and 2 drops. It's simple unbeatable once it starts drawing cards and making bigger guys that evolve all others. And the ooze making enchantment is pretty damn sweet. Only problem was my opponents were usually dead before i had time to use it. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
But it can definitely do really well, there are several great rares, the biomancer, zegana, ooze flux that 5 mana counter, and the simic manipulator can all just win games on their own. Gridlock I find is also absolutely amazing in a simic deck, and aetherize too, when the board gets clogged up, drawing one just wins the game outright for you. Simic charm is also amazingly versatile. Hands of binding is also up there on cards you want, attaching that to an evolved raptor or a krasis is huge and generally shut down a blocker completely (rarely will they have multiple fliers on board). I think removal is massively important in this format, there are lots of threats can take over a game by themselves and need to be shut down asap, a madcapped 2 drop, court street denizen, holy mantled creatures, frontline medic, crypt ghast, firemane avenger, consuming aberration are just a few from a long list of cards that can get really silly fast. Therefore you want rapid hybridization and pit fights really badly, those cards are both sick good, a 3/3 is nothing to simic in generally, you should be gumming up the board with large creatures like crocanuras that can block all day while allowing krasis' and raptors to nibble away at your opponent. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Drafting guild rankings for me go Orzhov // Simic // Boros > Gruul >> Dimir Don't know how to say close so I used // That isn't to say that Dimir can't win, just that it isn't suited to win very often. I think thew other four guilds are fairly close, though. I've been very happy with this format for drafting. Due to the nature of the format, and the lack of tokens, I think removal is top-top-top tier, and I agree with that statement by Lyter. I think that's what makes Orzhov so consistently good. It isn't the extort, though that helps make it #1, it's the consistent ability to get most of the removal in the format. It's still barely better than a well-drafted Simic deck, though. I don't think Boros is in consideration for top 2. It's a close third in my mind. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On February 15 2013 14:04 Judicator wrote: Lack of sweepers and big weakness to spot removal. I don't think the deck can function against the other mid range decks. Liliana-3 does very little, Liliana-4 is a bit slow and even if you go ultimate so what? I feel like it has some awkward draws where you aren't doing enough to pressure or enough to control unless you draw into Obzedat. The problem is that instead of Thragtusks and Thundermaws, you don't want to run any more than 2xObzedat due its legend status. Also Priest of Penance is interesting and my guess is what makes that deck tick, but it lacks 2 power so it can't pressure on its own. Personally, I don't like it because it LOOKS clunky and I don't think it has enough consistency or cards that just take over the game outside of Council. Honestly, I think he should have gone with more Tragic Slips since he's playing Lingering Souls, -13/-13 for B is like a Path or Swords with the trade off of a creature dying. The Dead Weight I know why he's playing them but it's so ugly since it's interaction with Kessig Wolf Run is god awful, and there's no Sun Titan interaction this time around. Edit: The TLDR version, basically the tag midrange is a misnomer because this deck strikes me as neither a control nor an aggro, so we decided to stick a midrange label on it when I am not sure what it's suppose to due in mid range. I kind of agree with you here, except the fact he uses Thrull as a psuedo Sun Titan. THis lets hit use things like Assassin and night hawk as free removal for creatures. I also agree with the fact he should run less Obzedats, and this is where I think he should fill with sorins, and I also agree Big Lilly is kind of awkward in the deck but again it filters you, is a removal/pump spell and is always relevant on the board because of lingering souls. I've been looking at something similar, and I think a 1-2 of of tragic slip has a huge upside for the deck. Plus I think it needs that 4th lingering souls. I dont think thrill-kill assassin is 100% needed as I watched and tested a bit and it doesnt really ad much unless its in your opener. I also feel Angel is 1 mana too high on the curve for a deck like this and I feel like sorin fits better here as well seeing as you're trying to stall out the game with lifelink and such. Overall I like the idea, it's a weird creature control deck and I think it works. I looked at entreat as a possible card and it didnt seem worth it, neither did Increasing Devotion. Idk it's missing 1-2 cards, and I don't feel splashing for a 3rd color gets you there 100% considering you would lose all your consistency. But just watching him play the deck in his videos you could see it had obvious potential. | ||
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BeHave
Germany121 Posts
On February 15 2013 16:36 Audemed wrote: Anyone else really not enjoying GTC draft? I've done 6 now (real and online) and I really just don't like it nearly as much as RTR and avacyn. I recommend mixing GTC with other Editions. We did a GTC/M13/GTC draft and that was a lot of fun. After that we did a M13/GTC/M13 draft and got totally sweeped by a WW deck  , still fun tho. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
Having fun time upgrading that Golgari deck slowly towards "proper" Jund through trades, though it currently lingers a bit indecisive wheter it will be proper midrange or slipping towards control. As I have a bit hard time finding Huntmasters and trading for them, I was thinking wheter replacing them with walkers or other reasonably big threats could make it. Soon finished flipping for all the duals, still missing few tusks, but I managed to dump mostly Orzhov stuff that was leftover from few drafts for 2x Olivia and Lilly of Veil. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On February 15 2013 09:08 ManyCookies wrote: I figured from the 3 ticket Shocklands. Are foils worth significantly more than their counterparts? I pulled a Foil Prime Speaker, does 8 tickets sound reasonable for a fringe-play-with-some-potential foil mythic? I'd be willing to pick up your prime speaker, PM my if interested  Foils are usually worth around 1.5x more, but more if they're mythic. On February 15 2013 16:36 Audemed wrote: Anyone else really not enjoying GTC draft? I've done 6 now (real and online) and I really just don't like it nearly as much as RTR and avacyn. I really like GTCx3. I've won about 15 of the 20 drafts I've done. Seems like a fun, fast paced format with lots of cool interactions. There's not a lot of I AUTOMATICALLY WIN bombs either. | ||
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Tadatomo
84 Posts
On February 15 2013 11:34 Risen wrote: Should probably note that when you first talk about your perspective then, eh? :S Did. Eh :S Strange comment. Maybe read, lol. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 15 2013 17:26 Shotcoder wrote: I kind of agree with you here, except the fact he uses Thrull as a psuedo Sun Titan. THis lets hit use things like Assassin and night hawk as free removal for creatures. I also agree with the fact he should run less Obzedats, and this is where I think he should fill with sorins, and I also agree Big Lilly is kind of awkward in the deck but again it filters you, is a removal/pump spell and is always relevant on the board because of lingering souls. I've been looking at something similar, and I think a 1-2 of of tragic slip has a huge upside for the deck. Plus I think it needs that 4th lingering souls. I dont think thrill-kill assassin is 100% needed as I watched and tested a bit and it doesnt really ad much unless its in your opener. I also feel Angel is 1 mana too high on the curve for a deck like this and I feel like sorin fits better here as well seeing as you're trying to stall out the game with lifelink and such. Overall I like the idea, it's a weird creature control deck and I think it works. I looked at entreat as a possible card and it didnt seem worth it, neither did Increasing Devotion. Idk it's missing 1-2 cards, and I don't feel splashing for a 3rd color gets you there 100% considering you would lose all your consistency. But just watching him play the deck in his videos you could see it had obvious potential. To a point, his deck still suffers against Jund and other mid range based strategies. I am also thinking of of this from an Esper players perspective since that's the deck that I play regularly (or heavily) so I am trying to think of lines that would make my life miserable, but I can't think of any even post-board. Additionally, I think I have played against this deck now like a week or 1.5 weeks ago, was a pretty free match. Didn't know that it was an actual deck, but it sure as hell didn't do anything to make me respect any of its cards outside of Ghost Council. Then again, I do run a different setup for Esper than like 90% of other Esper players. | ||
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