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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
February 06 2013 00:46 GMT
#5841
The main reason One Thousand Lashes isn't that good is that it simply isn't efficient enough. If I remember correctly, there was a similar card called Pillory of the Sleepless in the original Ravnica block that did the same thing for 3 mana, and that was a very playable card.

Basically, you can expect to get certain things in certain colors for certain costs.

In W/B, for 2 mana, I expect to have a good removal spell. (Devour Flesh, Ultimate Price)
For 3 mana, I expect to be able to take out not just a creature, but any non-land permanent bugging me. (Oblivion Ring, Detention Sphere if you're running Blue. This is also why Murder isn't typically run in Constructed.)
For 4 mana, most of the time in Standard I would expect to be able to kill every creature on the battlefield, with Wrath of God / Day of Judgement, but we only have Supreme Verdict in this format.

Basically, if I have four mana, it's more effective against an aggressive / midrange deck to destroy everything on the field rather than shut down one creature and start slowly taking away life from the opponent. At 3 mana, it would be much more likely to be worth it against heavy creature decks.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
February 06 2013 00:48 GMT
#5842
I was going to yell at you for being bad but then I realized you're talking about constructed.

Stupid constructed.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
February 06 2013 02:26 GMT
#5843
DII draft, getting cut hard for literally no reason. See a chalice of life about to wheel, look at my pack with a thought scour, go all in on self-mill. End up with 4 gnaw to the bone and a pike, win every g1 with flipped chalice and every g2/3 with pike on random dude for 8+. Also a game where I sided in a bunch of ghoulcallers bells up to like 45 cards and milled my opponent out VERY slowly.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 06 2013 08:10 GMT
#5844
On February 06 2013 09:46 Salivanth wrote:
The main reason One Thousand Lashes isn't that good is that it simply isn't efficient enough. If I remember correctly, there was a similar card called Pillory of the Sleepless in the original Ravnica block that did the same thing for 3 mana, and that was a very playable card.

Basically, you can expect to get certain things in certain colors for certain costs.

In W/B, for 2 mana, I expect to have a good removal spell. (Devour Flesh, Ultimate Price)
For 3 mana, I expect to be able to take out not just a creature, but any non-land permanent bugging me. (Oblivion Ring, Detention Sphere if you're running Blue. This is also why Murder isn't typically run in Constructed.)
For 4 mana, most of the time in Standard I would expect to be able to kill every creature on the battlefield, with Wrath of God / Day of Judgement, but we only have Supreme Verdict in this format.

Basically, if I have four mana, it's more effective against an aggressive / midrange deck to destroy everything on the field rather than shut down one creature and start slowly taking away life from the opponent. At 3 mana, it would be much more likely to be worth it against heavy creature decks.


For the record: Pillory did not stop active abilities. That's why it's 1 mana more.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
February 06 2013 08:41 GMT
#5845
Went to my 2nd draft since like 1998 tonight, going in I planned to force Boros due to it completely dominating the top 8 during last week's draft and pre-release event. Ended up with a less than optimal deck with a relatively high mana curve (no 1drops v_v) but the deck ran well and I made top 8 anyways, should have made top 4 but I made a few big mistakes on when to use act of treason to trigger battalion.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
February 06 2013 13:28 GMT
#5846
I very much prefer orzhov and gruul in draft compared to sealed where boros was easily king.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Aperture Science
Profile Joined January 2013
United States151 Posts
February 06 2013 16:26 GMT
#5847
On February 06 2013 22:28 Risen wrote:
I very much prefer orzhov and gruul in draft compared to sealed where boros was easily king.

People need to stop fighting over boros.

I had a draft online today where my first 3 pulls were Crypt Ghast, Godless Shrine, Crypt Ghast.
We do what we must, because we can.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
February 06 2013 17:49 GMT
#5848
I've seen a monoblack list running around my local store running crypt ghast to ramp into griselbrand. it's quite fun to watch vs aggro decks when its hits and they dont have an answer. I don't know what else it played besides Nighthawks but I would definitely give it a try if I knew the list.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#5849
Bad decks are bad. Don't try it. The answer is Act of Treason.
Get it by your hands...
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 06 2013 18:51 GMT
#5850
On February 07 2013 03:04 Judicator wrote:
Bad decks are bad. Don't try it. The answer is Act of Treason.

But no one runs AoT
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 06 2013 18:55 GMT
#5851
On February 07 2013 03:51 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 03:04 Judicator wrote:
Bad decks are bad. Don't try it. The answer is Act of Treason.

But no one runs AoT

If the meta swings towards giant creatures, it's definitely a sideboard option for low curve red decks. You saw Traitorous Blood in sideboards when Thragtusk/Angel of Serenity was the big thing.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 20:26:21
February 06 2013 18:58 GMT
#5852
Anyone try one of those "going infinite" guides for mtgo? I'm finally gonna break down after all these year and make an mtgo account. Tips, advice and deck loans for a newb to mtgo is welcome as well.

MTGO ID: NotSorry
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 06 2013 18:59 GMT
#5853
On February 07 2013 03:55 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 03:51 iGrok wrote:
On February 07 2013 03:04 Judicator wrote:
Bad decks are bad. Don't try it. The answer is Act of Treason.

But no one runs AoT

If the meta swings towards giant creatures, it's definitely a sideboard option for low curve red decks. You saw Traitorous Blood in sideboards when Thragtusk/Angel of Serenity was the big thing.

But the meta is red agro and humanimator
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 06 2013 20:36 GMT
#5854
On February 07 2013 03:59 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 03:55 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 07 2013 03:51 iGrok wrote:
On February 07 2013 03:04 Judicator wrote:
Bad decks are bad. Don't try it. The answer is Act of Treason.

But no one runs AoT

If the meta swings towards giant creatures, it's definitely a sideboard option for low curve red decks. You saw Traitorous Blood in sideboards when Thragtusk/Angel of Serenity was the big thing.

But the meta is red agro and humanimator

And not mono black giant monsters.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 06 2013 20:39 GMT
#5855
I'm pretty sure that, for the forseeable future as it has been for the recent past, if your decklist contains double digits of swamps you are doing something very, very wrong.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#5856
On February 07 2013 03:59 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 03:55 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 07 2013 03:51 iGrok wrote:
On February 07 2013 03:04 Judicator wrote:
Bad decks are bad. Don't try it. The answer is Act of Treason.

But no one runs AoT

If the meta swings towards giant creatures, it's definitely a sideboard option for low curve red decks. You saw Traitorous Blood in sideboards when Thragtusk/Angel of Serenity was the big thing.

But the meta is red agro and humanimator


Strong proclamations after just one event right after GTC release.
Get it by your hands...
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
February 06 2013 23:58 GMT
#5857
Is there any streamers doing gatecrash draft? All I'm seeing on pulse and twitch is rtr.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 07 2013 00:14 GMT
#5858
Is GTC out on MTGO yet? Usually its delayed by a week or was.
Get it by your hands...
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
February 07 2013 00:17 GMT
#5859
oh okay, don't know just signed up for mtgo today still setting it up
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
February 07 2013 00:31 GMT
#5860
On February 07 2013 03:58 NotSorry wrote:
Anyone try one of those "going infinite" guides for mtgo? I'm finally gonna break down after all these year and make an mtgo account. Tips, advice and deck loans for a newb to mtgo is welcome as well.

MTGO ID: NotSorry


This one works pretty well. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/25408_Beginners-Guide-To-Going-Infinite-On-Magic-Online.html

You can ignore the whole "Momir until 100 tickets" thing though. You can go infinite on around 30-50 tix depending on play skill and luck with your initial dailies if you play Pauper and pick the right deck. Mono-Green Stompy is very cheap and very powerful, so I'd go with that. Play a lot in the Tournament Practice room first, it's a surprisingly deep format, and Stompy has a lot of interactions to master. It's aggressive, but not an easy deck to pilot at first.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
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