EPTif your complaints were like, "Pack Rat is obnoxiously good" or something I could understand, but "I opened bad rares and drew poorly," that doesn't really say anything about this particular format
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
if your complaints were like, "Pack Rat is obnoxiously good" or something I could understand, but "I opened bad rares and drew poorly," that doesn't really say anything about this particular format | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 23 2012 01:25 Artifex Magnus wrote: Opening filibusters then mana bloom then guild feud in draft makes me wanna punch a kitten. This isn't a bomb oriented format...quit raging. As for the Jackie situation, seems sketchy, the new rules still doesn't let you circumvent things like this. It's intent was to make it so both players doesn't get penalized for missed triggers. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
So this Jackie Lee was technically in the right - even a "must" trigger has to be declared to go on the stack. You have one turn to catch it, otherwise, your opponent gets to decide. I think I heard this on the Limited Resources Podcast when they had a Judge on. I should probably get a written source.. | ||
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itsben
435 Posts
On October 23 2012 01:56 Risen wrote: Well that's just sketchy shit from Jackie, but I don't really see a difference between how it would play out in the "old" vs "new" situation. For old vs new example: If you forget to activate you huntmasters effect to gain life and make a wolf token, you probably won't ever get those effects now. In the the old, you would probably tell a judge and probably get its effect and maybe rewind game state if its not too late. I personally don't like the rule because it can lead to very sketchy stuff. Like you can pretend to forget a trigger or claim your opponent never declared the trigger. | ||
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
On October 23 2012 02:08 Judicator wrote: This isn't a bomb oriented format...quit raging. As for the Jackie situation, seems sketchy, the new rules still doesn't let you circumvent things like this. It's intent was to make it so both players doesn't get penalized for missed triggers. Lol really? Cause I just built a really solid deck and lost to a single card, Ja'rad golgari lich lord. Please explain to me how that's not bomb oriented format. And I had supreme verdicit, codex (the mill one) and 4 chronic flooding, he had 1 card in deck and wins the game with that nonsense card. I supreme verdicted twice to get rid of it and it didn't matter. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
In any case, this is why I have a habit of tapping my cards (with my fingers) for each trigger when I play paper magic, just a habit to verify triggers going on stack. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
On October 23 2012 02:15 Artifex Magnus wrote: Lol really? Cause I just built a really solid deck and lost to a single card, Ja'rad golgari lich lord. Please explain to me how that's not bomb oriented format. And I had supreme verdicit, codex (the mill one) and 4 chronic flooding, he had 1 card in deck and wins the game with that nonsense card. I supreme verdicted twice to get rid of it and it didn't matter. wait, you played a deck with... FOUR Chronic Floodings AND a Codex Shredder, and you are going to complain about losing to Jarad? Perhaps we have different definitions of "really solid deck." | ||
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
On October 23 2012 02:23 MCMcEmcee wrote: wait, you played a deck with... FOUR Chronic Floodings AND a Codex Shredder, and you are going to complain about losing to Jarad? Perhaps we have different definitions of "really solid deck." Yeah it was brilliant, easiest 2-1 ever. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 23 2012 02:15 Artifex Magnus wrote: Lol really? Cause I just built a really solid deck and lost to a single card, Ja'rad golgari lich lord. Please explain to me how that's not bomb oriented format. And I had supreme verdicit, codex (the mill one) and 4 chronic flooding, he had 1 card in deck and wins the game with that nonsense card. I supreme verdicted twice to get rid of it and it didn't matter. Well you are playing Codex and Flooding and lost to a creature that comes out of the graveyard and you rage at a mythic rare? Are you going to complain about Psychic Spiral next? | ||
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
On October 23 2012 02:24 Judicator wrote: Well you are playing Codex and Flooding and lost to a creature that comes out of the graveyard and you rage at a mythic rare? Are you going to complain about Psychic Spiral next? it never even came out of his graveyard. I even sideboarded in a fucking pithing needle rofl that was second to last pick and got it off in game three didn't matter, magic sundering growth topdeck. bombs matter kids. | ||
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Judicator
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Artifex Magnus
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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Artifex Magnus
United States75 Posts
I'm so envious of your elitism and misconception! | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Talking about the rares you open in booster packs is like talking about your fantasy football team, naw mean? | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On October 22 2012 22:42 Judicator wrote: Yes? Once you realize people have messed up on far easier things in the Finals of PT level events, like drawing a card more than they should have. It's like when Conley Woods made that Ooze-Poppet deck for the new Extended right before a PTQ event, I pretty much won some of those match ups just because I made my opponent go through the motions and some of them couldn't do it properly. Even at the PT-level, a lot of "known" players do not completely understand how mechanics work (most of them are smart enough to ask a judge before attempting). Now if it sounds like I rules lawyering them, hardly. If you know how to execute the combo, then there's no problem and whatever complaints the pilot might have had died with the minute he/she chose the deck. Complaining about being forced to walk through the combo is the equivalent of a Battle of Wits player complaining of shuffling. Plus the Eggs combo isn't exactly an easy one to understand, definitely one of the more complicated (I would argue the most complicated) combo decks to pilot. Edit: At above poster, I have played a lot of RTR drafts thus far and I don't think my deck has looked the same (theme-wise) yet, I really don't understand where you're getting that "only GW/BR" part from. LOL, it wasn't his opponent that asked him to go through all the motions, it was the wotc staff that asked him to so that the viewers at home could see it. His opponent would have gladly conceded the game far earlier and even jokingly asked if he could just take a nap. Sure, at a ptq when you are playing vs a lot of people very inexperienced with their decks make them go through the motions. When you are in the top8 of a PT vs a plat lvl pro who just went 15-1 and very clearly demonstrated he is VERY experienced with the deck, once he shows me his hand with 3+ second sunrise affects I just scoop. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 23 2012 02:15 itsben wrote: For old vs new example: If you forget to activate you huntmasters effect to gain life and make a wolf token, you probably won't ever get those effects now. In the the old, you would probably tell a judge and probably get its effect and maybe rewind game state if its not too late. I personally don't like the rule because it can lead to very sketchy stuff. Like you can pretend to forget a trigger or claim your opponent never declared the trigger. I see nothing wrong with this. Punishes being bad. +1 from Risen. On October 23 2012 02:56 MCMcEmcee wrote: Should have cast Search Warrant to see it coming AND gain life to withstand the onslaught. Can't stop laughing XD | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Back to the teasing. Waiting for the draft to go horribly wrong as he gets tempoed out by Azorious leading to the proclamation that there are in fact 3 viable archtypes in this draft format and not just the 2 as previously thought. Edit: No it does not. This was discussed by multiple websites when the changes were announced. Beneficial triggers can be forgotten, not things like Stab Wound. Like the Huntmaster trigger is ok, losing life on Stab Wound not ok. Edit 2: The pro level of the player tells you nothing of their mechanics understanding. Like PT players have had to ask how Soulbound works. | ||
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