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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
September 06 2012 05:16 GMT
#4021
On September 06 2012 14:02 last.resistance wrote:
The G/B hybrid one drop is a 1/1 plant zombie with a scavenge cost of 0.

The GB rare kill spell is uncounterable, destroy target nonland permanent with cmc less than 3.


These also make me excited to play BG zombies!
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 05:29:35
September 06 2012 05:27 GMT
#4022
Also spoiled tonight were two rare six mana enchantments: 3GGW for triple anthem and 5R for a card with no flavour text because it's stupid convoluted. On your upkeep target opponent reveals the top three cards of their library, they may put a creature from the three cards into play, rest into graveyard, you reveal the top three cards of your library, you may put a creature card from the three cards into play, rest into graveyard, if you both put a creature into play they fight.

It has a sweet name (Guild Feud) and sweet art though (Winged demon facing down a Boros knight with two swords).
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 05:57:51
September 06 2012 05:36 GMT
#4023
humm i like triple anthem, ofc i feel in love with miari wake i enjoy anthems, the red card sounds like a possibly dredge deck, running red green black. The part about putting shit into the graveyard is very big along with the "may put", if it was bottom of the library that card would be useless.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 06 2012 14:02 GMT
#4024
Today's daily has been renamed to, "Let's play Doran in Modern!"
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 06 2012 14:06 GMT
#4025
On September 06 2012 14:27 last.resistance wrote:
Also spoiled tonight were two rare six mana enchantments: 3GGW for triple anthem and 5R for a card with no flavour text because it's stupid convoluted. On your upkeep target opponent reveals the top three cards of their library, they may put a creature from the three cards into play, rest into graveyard, you reveal the top three cards of your library, you may put a creature card from the three cards into play, rest into graveyard, if you both put a creature into play they fight.

It has a sweet name (Guild Feud) and sweet art though (Winged demon facing down a Boros knight with two swords).


Both EDH cards. I know Guild Feud is going into Maelstrom Wanderer for me
Get it by your hands...
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 06 2012 16:01 GMT
#4026
Remand is never getting reprinted. Or maybe with all the counter hate it is. I hope it never gets reprinted :<
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 06 2012 16:40 GMT
#4027
I can see a WU Remand getting printed.
Get it by your hands...
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 06 2012 19:11 GMT
#4028
and here I was already go jund when rtr comes around BEFORE all these nice bg cards were printed (I mean based on how interesting the guild mechanics were like from the beginning) .....
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 04:04:16
September 06 2012 23:46 GMT
#4029
On September 07 2012 01:01 Risen wrote:
Remand is never getting reprinted. Or maybe with all the counter hate it is. I hope it never gets reprinted :<


Pshh. I hope your mom never gets reprinted.

No, but really - Remand is sweet.

EDIT: It's not Remand, it's Syncopate =(
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
September 07 2012 04:05 GMT
#4030
Well, we now have the GW can't be countered spell.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


And Syncopate is reprinted.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 04:22:05
September 07 2012 04:19 GMT
#4031
That Syncopate art is cool - as in "Remand"-cool...But from BDM's first couple of lines on the article, you knew it wasn't going to be Remand. :/

EDIT: I like it...
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[image loading]
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 07 2012 04:28 GMT
#4032
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 07 2012 06:06 GMT
#4033
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.
Get it by your hands...
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 06:14:02
September 07 2012 06:13 GMT
#4034
On September 07 2012 15:06 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.


a 4/4 for 3 with no drawbacks is always something to look at, plus the fact it is uncounterable and can possibly get put into play for free? seems more than fine.

Also I'm building junk I think. The things it can do just seems so retarded.\

Edit: This set has me so excited, I've only been playing since ROE but this is fucking making me antsy waiting for it.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 07:36:12
September 07 2012 06:47 GMT
#4035
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?

There are alot more cards that interact with exiled cards then there were in Odyssey days, i suppose. Acutally now that i think about it it's that there is with black green heavy use of playing from the graveyard. So i guess particular to the block. That being said Odyssey block had a lot of graveyard interaction, flashback, threshold, hella drudge, the incarnations, advocates, and even i exile interaction with wishes which i didn't like the wishes. That being said now i'm being nostalgic because i really liked the invasion and Odyssey blocks. That being said i feel otu of magic around onslaught, mirrodin, kamigawa ended up picking it back up because of ravanica, i like mutlicolor influenced cards and decks that end up being more then just 2 colors.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 07 2012 13:14 GMT
#4036
On September 07 2012 15:13 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 15:06 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.


a 4/4 for 3 with no drawbacks is always something to look at, plus the fact it is uncounterable and can possibly get put into play for free? seems more than fine.

Also I'm building junk I think. The things it can do just seems so retarded.\

Edit: This set has me so excited, I've only been playing since ROE but this is fucking making me antsy waiting for it.


It doesn't gain you life which is important, like turn 3, do you play this or do you play hold it in your hand against a Liliana type effect? That's an extremely awkward line. This card is even more awkward if they see it off of a Duress (judging by all the uncounterable spells, will be probably pretty good). If there's a BG or a UB spell (at 2 cmc) that says do X, target opponent discards a card effect, then maybe this will see some play.

4 power is good and all, but it seems so lack luster for the 3 drop compared to its counterparts at the 4 slot.
Get it by your hands...
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
September 07 2012 15:17 GMT
#4037
On September 07 2012 22:14 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 15:13 Shotcoder wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:06 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.


a 4/4 for 3 with no drawbacks is always something to look at, plus the fact it is uncounterable and can possibly get put into play for free? seems more than fine.

Also I'm building junk I think. The things it can do just seems so retarded.\

Edit: This set has me so excited, I've only been playing since ROE but this is fucking making me antsy waiting for it.


It doesn't gain you life which is important, like turn 3, do you play this or do you play hold it in your hand against a Liliana type effect? That's an extremely awkward line. This card is even more awkward if they see it off of a Duress (judging by all the uncounterable spells, will be probably pretty good). If there's a BG or a UB spell (at 2 cmc) that says do X, target opponent discards a card effect, then maybe this will see some play.

4 power is good and all, but it seems so lack luster for the 3 drop compared to its counterparts at the 4 slot.

It's a perfectlly fine 3 drop, 4 for uncounterable 4/4 which is outside of most cheap burn seems good enough to play, you'd only hold it in hand if you knew what your opp had, it's a good card aganist controling type decks it gets something big out there quickly.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 07 2012 15:59 GMT
#4038
On September 08 2012 00:17 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 22:14 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:13 Shotcoder wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:06 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.


a 4/4 for 3 with no drawbacks is always something to look at, plus the fact it is uncounterable and can possibly get put into play for free? seems more than fine.

Also I'm building junk I think. The things it can do just seems so retarded.\

Edit: This set has me so excited, I've only been playing since ROE but this is fucking making me antsy waiting for it.


It doesn't gain you life which is important, like turn 3, do you play this or do you play hold it in your hand against a Liliana type effect? That's an extremely awkward line. This card is even more awkward if they see it off of a Duress (judging by all the uncounterable spells, will be probably pretty good). If there's a BG or a UB spell (at 2 cmc) that says do X, target opponent discards a card effect, then maybe this will see some play.

4 power is good and all, but it seems so lack luster for the 3 drop compared to its counterparts at the 4 slot.

It's a perfectlly fine 3 drop, 4 for uncounterable 4/4 which is outside of most cheap burn seems good enough to play, you'd only hold it in hand if you knew what your opp had, it's a good card aganist controling type decks it gets something big out there quickly.


See, again the problem is that it makes the play on the third turn awkward. If you play it on 3, you run the risk of a wrath effect. That's why those GW decks never worked until people started not playing Days and just straight up died to UB control because they were never at risk of dying from things like burn.

The uncounterable benefit isn't all that relevant. It just means that counterspell is going to be pointed at something else, and this card by itself isn't enough to threaten any of the slower decks on its own since it doesn't protect itself (Shroud/Hexproof) nor does it have any relevant triggers (Thragtusk). It's just plain bleh.

It's sideboard worthy for sure, but I wouldn't go anywhere near this in the maindeck and I would also have to really think about putting this card into the board.
Get it by your hands...
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 16:46:26
September 07 2012 16:33 GMT
#4039
On September 08 2012 00:59 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 00:17 semantics wrote:
On September 07 2012 22:14 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:13 Shotcoder wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:06 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.


a 4/4 for 3 with no drawbacks is always something to look at, plus the fact it is uncounterable and can possibly get put into play for free? seems more than fine.

Also I'm building junk I think. The things it can do just seems so retarded.\

Edit: This set has me so excited, I've only been playing since ROE but this is fucking making me antsy waiting for it.


It doesn't gain you life which is important, like turn 3, do you play this or do you play hold it in your hand against a Liliana type effect? That's an extremely awkward line. This card is even more awkward if they see it off of a Duress (judging by all the uncounterable spells, will be probably pretty good). If there's a BG or a UB spell (at 2 cmc) that says do X, target opponent discards a card effect, then maybe this will see some play.

4 power is good and all, but it seems so lack luster for the 3 drop compared to its counterparts at the 4 slot.

It's a perfectlly fine 3 drop, 4 for uncounterable 4/4 which is outside of most cheap burn seems good enough to play, you'd only hold it in hand if you knew what your opp had, it's a good card aganist controling type decks it gets something big out there quickly.


See, again the problem is that it makes the play on the third turn awkward. If you play it on 3, you run the risk of a wrath effect. That's why those GW decks never worked until people started not playing Days and just straight up died to UB control because they were never at risk of dying from things like burn.

The uncounterable benefit isn't all that relevant. It just means that counterspell is going to be pointed at something else, and this card by itself isn't enough to threaten any of the slower decks on its own since it doesn't protect itself (Shroud/Hexproof) nor does it have any relevant triggers (Thragtusk). It's just plain bleh.

It's sideboard worthy for sure, but I wouldn't go anywhere near this in the maindeck and I would also have to really think about putting this card into the board.

It's green white so turn 2 4/4 is good in my book, sure they'll throw a turn away killing it and their delver or w.e but that's fine.

I mean you're going to have to look at what standard will become with M12 and scars block out of rotation which takes out Mirrodin Besieged and New Phyrexia.

Which takes away things like Ponder, Mana Leak, gut shot, Gitaxian Probe, Vapor Snag, Mental Misstep, Dismember, Doom Blade, Go for the Throat etc.

So i mean you're theory crafting for standard with M13 in it. You're also getting rid of easy dual lands for shock lands/tap(m13) lands that can't enter turn 1 untapped, taking out phyrexian mana and free dual land on turn 1, is going to change alot of blue white control, esp when you're not running mana leak but instead something like essence scatter, murder instead of doomblade etc you don't quite have that blanket to get early game tempo that blue white and black blue control has been enjoying.

To that point would i run 3 mana 4/4 in any old deck probably not, depends what the rest of ravanica has to offer but i'd side it in against control at least 2.

That being said with rancor in standard, i would risk it and play elves(Avacyn's Pilgrim, no birds ) + that card and rancor, but that' more for my heart of hearts turn 2 4/4 turn 3 rancor or even better double rancor! hit for 6/8 be happy on the inside, then trying to think what would be dominate.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 07 2012 17:23 GMT
#4040
On September 08 2012 01:33 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 00:59 Judicator wrote:
On September 08 2012 00:17 semantics wrote:
On September 07 2012 22:14 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:13 Shotcoder wrote:
On September 07 2012 15:06 Judicator wrote:
On September 07 2012 13:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Nice art, but it's not Remand. Modern looks even harder to get into. Lots of counter-hate running around too. And why is Syncopate now an Uncommon over the Odessy Common? Limited maybe?


Yes.

The 3 mana for 4/4 doesn't seem all that great....Duress still peaks it and Abrupt End still kills it. Nobody decent will play into this card...I don't know...I don't even like Liliana in the GW(x) match up (I hate it in fact and it kills you more than it kills them). So unless we are getting some solid hand disruption on top of Duress (like Inquisition level) this doesn't seem all that exciting. The killer is that this card doesn't give you life which makes Obstinate Baloth still better despite 1 mana more. The uncounterable part isn't even that relevant, I don't forsee any control player losing as a result of this card. Maybe this card has good match up against Zombies, dunno.

Anyways, gogo BUG.


a 4/4 for 3 with no drawbacks is always something to look at, plus the fact it is uncounterable and can possibly get put into play for free? seems more than fine.

Also I'm building junk I think. The things it can do just seems so retarded.\

Edit: This set has me so excited, I've only been playing since ROE but this is fucking making me antsy waiting for it.


It doesn't gain you life which is important, like turn 3, do you play this or do you play hold it in your hand against a Liliana type effect? That's an extremely awkward line. This card is even more awkward if they see it off of a Duress (judging by all the uncounterable spells, will be probably pretty good). If there's a BG or a UB spell (at 2 cmc) that says do X, target opponent discards a card effect, then maybe this will see some play.

4 power is good and all, but it seems so lack luster for the 3 drop compared to its counterparts at the 4 slot.

It's a perfectlly fine 3 drop, 4 for uncounterable 4/4 which is outside of most cheap burn seems good enough to play, you'd only hold it in hand if you knew what your opp had, it's a good card aganist controling type decks it gets something big out there quickly.


See, again the problem is that it makes the play on the third turn awkward. If you play it on 3, you run the risk of a wrath effect. That's why those GW decks never worked until people started not playing Days and just straight up died to UB control because they were never at risk of dying from things like burn.

The uncounterable benefit isn't all that relevant. It just means that counterspell is going to be pointed at something else, and this card by itself isn't enough to threaten any of the slower decks on its own since it doesn't protect itself (Shroud/Hexproof) nor does it have any relevant triggers (Thragtusk). It's just plain bleh.

It's sideboard worthy for sure, but I wouldn't go anywhere near this in the maindeck and I would also have to really think about putting this card into the board.

It's green white so turn 2 4/4 is good in my book, sure they'll throw a turn away killing it and their delver or w.e but that's fine.

I mean you're going to have to look at what standard will become with M12 and scars block out of rotation which takes out Mirrodin Besieged and New Phyrexia.

Which takes away things like Ponder, Mana Leak, gut shot, Gitaxian Probe, Vapor Snag, Mental Misstep, Dismember, Doom Blade, Go for the Throat etc.

So i mean you're theory crafting for standard with M13 in it. You're also getting rid of easy dual lands for shock lands/tap(m13) lands that can't enter turn 1 untapped, taking out phyrexian mana and free dual land on turn 1, is going to change alot of blue white control, esp when you're not running mana leak but instead something like essence scatter, murder instead of doomblade etc you don't quite have that blanket to get early game tempo that blue white and black blue control has been enjoying.

To that point would i run 3 mana 4/4 in any old deck probably not, depends what the rest of ravanica has to offer but i'd side it in against control at least 2.

That being said with rancor in standard, i would risk it and play elves(Avacyn's Pilgrim, no birds ) + that card and rancor, but that' more for my heart of hearts turn 2 4/4 turn 3 rancor or even better double rancor! hit for 6/8 be happy on the inside, then trying to think what would be dominate.


Trust me. I am not judging the card based on the current meta.

First, please do not think you know how the control landscape changes post-rotation (hint, it gets a hell of a lot better for control). Mana Leak has already been replaced by Essence Scatter in control builds, in my UB it was replaced after 2 weeks of M13 and it has been miles better than Mana Leak; all the situations where Mana Leak was bad, Essence Scatter was bad, and in most of those situations, Dissipate did the job.

Secondly, Doom Blade, Go for the Throat, Dismember gone. Not a big deal. The only time I ever wanted to turn 2 kill something was against Pod decks which are rotating out or very rarely when people wanted to Rancor a mana dork into open mana. Again, not a big deal. These aren't the plays that will kill me.

Thirdly, this guy is still results in an efficient trade for the control player unless it was discarded. UB has no problem trading 3 mana for 3 mana on your turn. Remember Fog Bank was reprinted too, as was Augur of Bolas, both very powerful cards in control builds.

The rotation of Scars and M12 actually solves many of serious issues for control, especially UB, we don't want to see a Sword or the opponent going Delver Ponder/Probe. Trust me, the trade off for losing Mana Leak (which nobody in control really plays) and removal (it's not like we lost Tragic Slip which is more important for early game tempo) for a bunch of cards that present far less problems.

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