EPTI also have the option of running an Esper spirits Brew I've been toying with using Kira, Drogskol Captain, Spectral Procession, and Lingering souls. I originally had it in a delver shell but you don't need delver and you need access to all those counter spells like Spell Snare and mana leak.(I'm not a fan of remand).
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
I also have the option of running an Esper spirits Brew I've been toying with using Kira, Drogskol Captain, Spectral Procession, and Lingering souls. I originally had it in a delver shell but you don't need delver and you need access to all those counter spells like Spell Snare and mana leak.(I'm not a fan of remand). | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On February 17 2012 23:58 Xiphos wrote: I was so excited in creating a Zombie deck until I saw Gravecrawler cost a shit ton of $ Gravecrawler is only 8 dollars. In comparison to many of the other most played bombs in standard, that's pretty cheap. (think the swords, snapcaster, huntmaster, primeval titan, etc). Blue/Black zombie is almost a budget deck at this point, with few to no cards over 10 dollars a piece. I think you can put together a fairly competitive zombie deck for around 50-60 dollars (guesstimate), which is pretty cheap. For some perspective, my white/blue human deck has a 100 dollar sideboard. (3 swords, 2 snapcasters, geists, sun titans, etc) | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On February 18 2012 00:26 Durp wrote: Gravecrawler is only 8 dollars. In comparison to many of the other most played bombs in standard, that's pretty cheap. (think the swords, snapcaster, huntmaster, primeval titan, etc). Blue/Black zombie is almost a budget deck at this point, with few to no cards over 10 dollars a piece. I think you can put together a fairly competitive zombie deck for around 50-60 dollars (guesstimate), which is pretty cheap. For some perspective, my white/blue human deck has a 100 dollar sideboard. (3 swords, 2 snapcasters, geists, sun titans, etc) relative cost doesn't make something cheap in absolute terms.  Also yeah white/blue human is silly expensive. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
On February 18 2012 02:07 InToTheWannaB wrote: hey do you guys think i should sell that huntsmaster werewolf card? its like 33$ right now for god knows what reason. I never play red green werewolfs so im selling it no matter what, but i don't want to if the price may go higher. You guys don't think there anyway it gets higher right? That cards not even that great imo. umm the fact that the first and second place decks from PT Honolulu each ran 4 of the card might have something to do with the price tag.. lol.. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On February 18 2012 02:07 InToTheWannaB wrote: hey do you guys think i should sell that huntsmaster werewolf card? its like 33$ right now for god knows what reason. I never play red green werewolfs so im selling it no matter what, but i don't want to if the price may go higher. You guys don't think there anyway it gets higher right? That cards not even that great imo. Sell it now, it's on a bubble. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On February 18 2012 02:07 InToTheWannaB wrote: hey do you guys think i should sell that huntsmaster werewolf card? its like 33$ right now for god knows what reason. I never play red green werewolfs so im selling it no matter what, but i don't want to if the price may go higher. You guys don't think there anyway it gets higher right? That cards not even that great imo. Sell it and get Gravecrawler because as far I can tell, Zombies have much more versatility. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On February 18 2012 04:41 Xiphos wrote: Sell it and get Gravecrawler because as far I can tell, Zombies have much more versatility. What? Gravecrawler only goes in zombie decks which don't look very good at the moment and huntermaster is pretty much a 4 of in any deck that has access to G and R. That said I don't know whether huntmaster will go up or down in price but it is an absolutely insane card. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On February 18 2012 04:57 DEN1ED wrote: What? Gravecrawler only goes in zombie decks which don't look very good at the moment and huntermaster is pretty much a 4 of in any deck that has access to G and R. That said I don't know whether huntmaster will go up or down in price but it is an absolutely insane card. Well, you can actually build some crazy milling deck with Gravecrawler by going B/x since Gravecrawler can provide the static defense you need in the early game. Huntsmaster is a good card but only good for R/G aggro. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On February 18 2012 05:41 Xiphos wrote: Gravecrawler can provide the static defense you need in the early game. Huntsmaster is a good card but only good for R/G aggro. He can't block. Huntmaster is good in R/G aggro, ramp, some birthing pod lists, and RUG. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On February 18 2012 06:06 DEN1ED wrote: He can't block. Huntmaster is good in R/G aggro, ramp, some birthing pod lists, and RUG. Meh, pod is getting rotated soon. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
None of the mythics will stay at current value unless they print something crazy in the next set. Vorapedes might become another baneslayer after rotation though since vapor snags go away. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On February 18 2012 07:56 dignity wrote: Sell huntmasters now. They will drop. May not drop overnight but it will be gradual. Gravecrawlers might go to $10 but thats as high as I'm willing to call it. None of the mythics will stay at current value unless they print something crazy in the next set. Vorapedes might become another baneslayer after rotation though since vapor snags go away. I'm assuming Unsummon will be reprinted in M13 and since Delver makes tempo amazing, they'll probably accept the downgrade. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:38 dignity wrote: I'm thinking they might start using griptide instead. People underestimate the power of that thing. The ability to almost timewalk someone is pretty good. How are you able to use it more than once? Unless you play that card that makes all of your cards having Flashback. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On February 18 2012 15:22 Xiphos wrote: How are you able to use it more than once? Unless you play that card that makes all of your cards having Flashback. Snapcaster, but that makes it cost 6. 4 is way too high for a trick in a tempo deck. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
The more I think about it, the more I realize the good zombie cards don't really need any help. Gravecrawler would still be good even if he only could be casted if another gravecrawler is on the field. Messenger has been a fantastic drop for me everytime he hits the field. He might be worth considering in a control deck. BBB isn't as bad as it sounds when you are holding up counters. Captain has been meh, he is really good when you already have really good zombies in play, but he does nothing to protect himself, and sometimes he's just a 3 mana typhoid rats. I'm going to cutdown on him for now, but I'm still loving blue, so I'll keep a few because of how good he is with the others. Diregraf ghoul has been slightly more impressive, but he's only good at bringing gravecrawler back when captain isn't around. Half the time I find him trading with a doomed traveler after an Honor hits the field, or watching mirran crusader prance around the battlefield doing whatever he wants. At least messenger and gravecrawler can get some value when crusader hits the field. I've been trying vapor snag and mana leak, an it's really amazing what a little tempo does when zombies are your threats. I don't think I want to lose access to them anytime soon. It makes me want to try being more controlling with just gravecrawler and messenger. Oh, and mortarpod. He's an absolute house with those two. Liliana has been average, but when she needs to be dealt with which means more time for the crew. However, since I've been running blue, I don't often get to be discarding as often as I'd like. Mana leak often gets discarded later, but vapor snag I seem to always be holding to prevent me from going balls deep with discard. That said, Vapor snagging EOT and then forcing a discard after seeing a bomb come down is bill and ted EXCELLENT! I'm gonna go try a UB control with messenger. He gets vapor snagged for value! unlike silly sphinx  | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
IIRC, top 8 was: 2x Affinity, 2x Jund, 1x Melira Pod, 1x UW Tron, 1x Faeries and 1x Aggro-loam There was also a sweet-as-hell BW deck that's much better than the one I was brewing that had some truly broken combos in it, like Necrotic Sliver + Emeria, the Sky Ruin. | ||
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No.Doubt
Canada202 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:32 bumatlarge wrote: I'm gonna go try a UB control with messenger. He gets vapor snagged for value! unlike silly sphinx He seems really bad in control, triple black is still quite a commitment when you want to cast cards like dissipate at 3 also, even with the scars and M12 lands. Also control decks don't want to play many threats or they wont be able to stop decks that play bigger threats, i.e. primeval titan. If you want to try him outside of a mono black aggro deck, maybe try some sort of black based mid ranged deck instead of control. | ||
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