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On November 11 2012 01:57 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 09:31 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 10 2012 08:56 Otolia wrote:
OK people, I don't want to read the same argument over and over again. So if you could keep your "GW2 is dying" rants to yourself that'd be great.
People are still playing the game, it's still a worthy investment. So you stopped playing, huh ? WHO THE HELL CARES ? Am I criticizing Dishonored or XCOM after I completed my first playthrough and un-installed it ? No, I move on to what I'd like to do more. Could you please do the same ? You're on a fucking video game forum and you expect to not see people saying why they quit the game? Get the fuck out. They're here to express their opinion. Don't like it then don't read it. Who the hell cares that you don't want to see it. Maybe others do, maybe others agree. Maybe they dont but it at least opens up a discussion. Which your post does not. Keep your swearing for yourself. Also, since you seem to advocate that all opinions are worthy of being heard, mine is, consequentially, too. As for the rest, the same discussion keep going for pages while NOBODY is bringing points worthy of being talked. All the above opinions are bad, straight-forward and only relevant to those who are so mentally blocked by the current game market that they can't get around a game that doesn't set them clear and straight-forward goals. I don't respect players who remove the RP in the RPG and I never will. If one does not have creativity, then he shouldn't play GW2. If one has too much time on your hands, one shouldn't expectt GW2 to fulfill one like WoW can. Many reviews have been made, some loved it, some didn't. Referrals are coming up so I guess there will be a form of free trial. It's still one of the better game of the year and I don't see why people keep whining on this thread. It's freaking pointless.
Are you aware how self centred you sound? You state that every opinion contrary to your own is bad and that there must be a problem with that person for having that opinion. News flash; the world doesn't revolve around you. People can have perfectly valid opinions, even if they are contradictory. That's what makes them opinions (they are entirely based on a persons experience, beliefs and values. All of which vary person to person).
I guess the ability to accept and process the fact that people have differing views and experiences doesn't fit into your model of the world?
You say you can't respect anyone who doesn't follow a specific way of playing that you lay out, do you know how childish you sound? Not everyone enjoys the same thing, not everyone plays the same. Does this mean that their opinions are invalid, or that they shouldn't be catered to? Absolutely not. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of person who would think this.
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To be honest i didn't buy it... because MMORPGs are a stagnant genre and no, i don't mean " MMOs are dying !! " but as a player who had been around playing MMORPGs since UO, you just don't see anything really new or appealling anymore. I know some people who haven't been into MMORPGs at all, who are having the time of their lifes right now on GW2.
Anyways, i can't judge the game, just calling a bit about people having unreal expectations with games which aren't really innovating or pushing the genre forward, like everybody could know before the release of GW2.
Cheers!
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On November 11 2012 03:10 chaokel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 01:57 Otolia wrote:On November 10 2012 09:31 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 10 2012 08:56 Otolia wrote:
OK people, I don't want to read the same argument over and over again. So if you could keep your "GW2 is dying" rants to yourself that'd be great.
People are still playing the game, it's still a worthy investment. So you stopped playing, huh ? WHO THE HELL CARES ? Am I criticizing Dishonored or XCOM after I completed my first playthrough and un-installed it ? No, I move on to what I'd like to do more. Could you please do the same ? You're on a fucking video game forum and you expect to not see people saying why they quit the game? Get the fuck out. They're here to express their opinion. Don't like it then don't read it. Who the hell cares that you don't want to see it. Maybe others do, maybe others agree. Maybe they dont but it at least opens up a discussion. Which your post does not. Keep your swearing for yourself. Also, since you seem to advocate that all opinions are worthy of being heard, mine is, consequentially, too. As for the rest, the same discussion keep going for pages while NOBODY is bringing points worthy of being talked. All the above opinions are bad, straight-forward and only relevant to those who are so mentally blocked by the current game market that they can't get around a game that doesn't set them clear and straight-forward goals. I don't respect players who remove the RP in the RPG and I never will. If one does not have creativity, then he shouldn't play GW2. If one has too much time on your hands, one shouldn't expectt GW2 to fulfill one like WoW can. Many reviews have been made, some loved it, some didn't. Referrals are coming up so I guess there will be a form of free trial. It's still one of the better game of the year and I don't see why people keep whining on this thread. It's freaking pointless. Are you aware how self centred you sound? You state that every opinion contrary to your own is bad and that there must be a problem with that person for having that opinion. News flash; the world doesn't revolve around you. People can have perfectly valid opinions, even if they are contradictory. That's what makes them opinions (they are entirely based on a persons experience, beliefs and values. All of which vary person to person). I guess the ability to accept and process the fact that people have differing views and experiences doesn't fit into your model of the world? You say you can't respect anyone who doesn't follow a specific way of playing that you lay out, do you know how childish you sound? Not everyone enjoys the same thing, not everyone plays the same. Does this mean that their opinions are invalid, or that they shouldn't be catered to? Absolutely not. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of person who would think this.
All opinions are perfectly valid, that doesn't mean they are good. As for people I don't respect, I wasn't very clear, so allow me to rephrase that. : " I don't value opinions that I think are bad, and because this is the internet ones opinions == oneself. " I'm not ashamed of that because I fight everyday to improve my understanding of the world and I'm proud of that. If what I said upset you, well it's unfortunate because it wasn't my goal, but it's of little relevance to me.
The last 5 (maybe more) pages have been about people who are saying the exact same thing. In every other gaming thread, it wouldn't have been allowed. And people keep posting here about how the game feels empty at 80 ... I'm sorry, I am enjoying the game very much and I would love to discuss it with people who care about it and not with people who have given up on it.
All I am asking if for people who stopped playing to stop posting. Why is that so hard to understand and accept ?! I'm not against your opinion - even though I think it's a bad one - I am just sore that your kind totally destroyed the thread a while and keep kicking in the balls it over and over again.
Also don't serve me the argument of "we provide good buying advices" because that's false.
PS : I loved your disguised contempt, borderline insulting but very subtle. I wish I could do achieve in english.
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On November 11 2012 03:23 Godwrath wrote:
To be honest i didn't buy it... because MMORPGs are a stagnant genre and no, i don't mean " MMOs are dying !! " but as a player who had been around playing MMORPGs since UO, you just don't see anything really new or appealling anymore.
Not so sure about that.
You have to delve deep off the beaten path, but there are tons of unique MMOs out there, the problem is that they are usually quite obscure or not well advertised making the Multiplayer part, rather limited in comparison to what they should be. Some 'different'(non mainstream / themepark) mmo's that have come out in the last few years. Fallen Earth, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Haven and Hearth, Salem, etc.
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On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
All opinions are perfectly valid, that doesn't mean they are good.
Yes, but in our human society that decision can only be reached by consensus. Otherwise its simply an opinion about an opinion. This is why so many things in life are catered to the majority, and in gaming it is no different.
On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
As for people I don't respect, I wasn't very clear, so allow me to rephrase that. : " I don't value opinions that I think are bad, and because this is the internet ones opinions == oneself. " I'm not ashamed of that because I fight everyday to improve my understanding of the world and I'm proud of that. If what I said upset you, well it's unfortunate because it wasn't my goal, but it's of little relevance to me.
There was some confusion, this is much clearer. I would still propose that there is a place for opinions that clash, you can take them in and accept the situation which caused them to arise without having to alter your own beliefs. I find that this allows you to communicate much more effectively.
On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
The last 5 (maybe more) pages have been about people who are saying the exact same thing. In every other gaming thread, it wouldn't have been allowed.
As long as it isn't trolling and flaming, it is allowed. There is nothing in the TL commandments about not echoing a
previously stated opinion.
On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
And people keep posting here about how the game feels empty at 80 ... I'm sorry, I am enjoying the game very much and I would love to discuss it with people who care about it and not with people who have given up on it.
Why is this mutally exclusive with the other conversation thread? You can still post your love of the game in here, and if people want to talk about it they will. Simply ignore the other posts if they aren't to your liking.
On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
All I am asking if for people who stopped playing to stop posting. Why is that so hard to understand and accept ?! I'm not against your opinion - even though I think it's a bad one - I am just sore that your kind totally destroyed the thread a while and keep kicking in the balls it over and over again.
Also don't serve me the argument of "we provide good buying advices" because that's false.
The thread is about the game, be it for better or worse. These people have as much right to post here as you do. This is simply the place to talk about all GW2 related content, that includes criticisms of the current state of the game.
On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
PS : I loved your disguised contempt, borderline insulting but very subtle. I wish I could do achieve in english.
:S You should of seen my non-edited post (i attempted to clean it up to TL posting standards, as well as remove most of the offence). I can see now that i did a poor job, i admit i was in the wrong, i let my emotions sway my head. I apologise if i offended you in any way, it was wrong of me and not at all in line with the stance i was taking.
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For me the longevity of the game is a matter of me being curious how the other classes play. As I play more and more of a class and realize its strengths and weaknesses, I want to learn the indepths of the mechanics and strengths/weaknesses of other classes. This is coming from a mostly PvP perspective, but that's what drives me to continue playing the game. I now have an 80 necro, 80 thief, and 80 warrior. Only my necro is geared in exotics from explorable dungeon runs - the others I haven't touched since level 80. I just don't care about min-maxing my character in this game, and I'm not wasting my time doing mindless farming in Orr for karma and whatever for legendaries.
The game is all about playing it whenever you want, to do whatever you feel is fun. If you aren't playing it 4 hours a day anymore, that's okay. It isn't supposed to be a game like that. That's why it's great it has no subscription fee - come back and play it for however little or long you want, whenever you want, and you don't have to worry about "catching up with the joneses"
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2012 04:06 chaokel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
All opinions are perfectly valid, that doesn't mean they are good. Yes, but in our human society that decision can only be reached by consensus. Otherwise its simply an opinion about an opinion. This is why so many things in life are catered to the majority, and in gaming it is no different. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
As for people I don't respect, I wasn't very clear, so allow me to rephrase that. : " I don't value opinions that I think are bad, and because this is the internet ones opinions == oneself. " I'm not ashamed of that because I fight everyday to improve my understanding of the world and I'm proud of that. If what I said upset you, well it's unfortunate because it wasn't my goal, but it's of little relevance to me. There was some confusion, this is much clearer. I would still propose that there is a place for opinions that clash, you can take them in and accept the situation which caused them to arise without having to alter your own beliefs. I find that this allows you to communicate much more effectively. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
The last 5 (maybe more) pages have been about people who are saying the exact same thing. In every other gaming thread, it wouldn't have been allowed. As long as it isn't trolling and flaming, it is allowed. There is nothing in the TL commandments about not echoing a previously stated opinion. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
And people keep posting here about how the game feels empty at 80 ... I'm sorry, I am enjoying the game very much and I would love to discuss it with people who care about it and not with people who have given up on it. Why is this mutally exclusive with the other conversation thread? You can still post your love of the game in here, and if people want to talk about it they will. Simply ignore the other posts if they aren't to your liking. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
All I am asking if for people who stopped playing to stop posting. Why is that so hard to understand and accept ?! I'm not against your opinion - even though I think it's a bad one - I am just sore that your kind totally destroyed the thread a while and keep kicking in the balls it over and over again.
Also don't serve me the argument of "we provide good buying advices" because that's false.
The thread is about the game, be it for better or worse. These people have as much right to post here as you do. This is simply the place to talk about all GW2 related content, that includes criticisms of the current state of the game. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
PS : I loved your disguised contempt, borderline insulting but very subtle. I wish I could do achieve in english. :S You should of seen my non-edited post (i attempted to clean it up to TL posting standards, as well as remove most of the offence). I can see now that i did a poor job, i admit i was in the wrong, i let my emotions sway my head. I apologise if i offended you in any way, it was wrong of me and not at all in line with the stance i was taking.
1. You didn't offend me. Do not worry about that. I am ashamed of a lot of things but voicing my opinions and how I judge others' isn't one of them. I spend so much time building my own way to evaluate my own opinion that someone I don't know cannot alter the confidence I have in it. Also, my post-scriptum was not ironical. You write well and even though I could sense the insult and contempt, it was in line with my own sense of respectable human exchange. My standards appears to be slightly different from what is common in Tl though.
2. In a wonderful world, people on TL would be psyched about GW2. But the truth is, they aren't. We have a few good players who post good content (PvP / WvW videos) but we haven't had a good discussion about the game since people started to give their feedback. 2 months in is enough. We don't need to go over the same arguments over and over again which is what people are doing right now. I am just saying that it has to stop because it deters people who would like to discuss the game from posting in here seeing that the community isn't welcoming their enjoyment of the game.
PS : Also I disagree that consensus is the definition of a good opinion, however that's a much deeper topic.
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On November 11 2012 05:37 EscPlan9 wrote:
The game is all about playing it whenever you want, to do whatever you feel is fun. If you aren't playing it 4 hours a day anymore, that's okay. It isn't supposed to be a game like that. That's why it's great it has no subscription fee - come back and play it for however little or long you want, whenever you want, and you don't have to worry about "catching up with the joneses"
Exactly...
As for my self, I'd rather play a game like GW2 that has less "high end content" but that doesn't make me feel like I let down my guild when I'm not logging in and/or feel like I have a dozen of things to do daily to be able to keep up with the progression. The incentives for playing are way different than the others MMORPG; I don't feel forced to play this game, I play it when I feel like it. I'm not playing a MMORPG to achieve life goals, build an empire or seek respect from my peers. I'm playing simply to have fun/spend quality time with friends and I can certainly do that without the need of constant server progression and/or new content.
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On November 11 2012 06:28 Otolia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2012 04:06 chaokel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
All opinions are perfectly valid, that doesn't mean they are good. Yes, but in our human society that decision can only be reached by consensus. Otherwise its simply an opinion about an opinion. This is why so many things in life are catered to the majority, and in gaming it is no different. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
As for people I don't respect, I wasn't very clear, so allow me to rephrase that. : " I don't value opinions that I think are bad, and because this is the internet ones opinions == oneself. " I'm not ashamed of that because I fight everyday to improve my understanding of the world and I'm proud of that. If what I said upset you, well it's unfortunate because it wasn't my goal, but it's of little relevance to me. There was some confusion, this is much clearer. I would still propose that there is a place for opinions that clash, you can take them in and accept the situation which caused them to arise without having to alter your own beliefs. I find that this allows you to communicate much more effectively. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
The last 5 (maybe more) pages have been about people who are saying the exact same thing. In every other gaming thread, it wouldn't have been allowed. As long as it isn't trolling and flaming, it is allowed. There is nothing in the TL commandments about not echoing a previously stated opinion. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
And people keep posting here about how the game feels empty at 80 ... I'm sorry, I am enjoying the game very much and I would love to discuss it with people who care about it and not with people who have given up on it. Why is this mutally exclusive with the other conversation thread? You can still post your love of the game in here, and if people want to talk about it they will. Simply ignore the other posts if they aren't to your liking. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
All I am asking if for people who stopped playing to stop posting. Why is that so hard to understand and accept ?! I'm not against your opinion - even though I think it's a bad one - I am just sore that your kind totally destroyed the thread a while and keep kicking in the balls it over and over again.
Also don't serve me the argument of "we provide good buying advices" because that's false.
The thread is about the game, be it for better or worse. These people have as much right to post here as you do. This is simply the place to talk about all GW2 related content, that includes criticisms of the current state of the game. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 03:36 Otolia wrote:
PS : I loved your disguised contempt, borderline insulting but very subtle. I wish I could do achieve in english. :S You should of seen my non-edited post (i attempted to clean it up to TL posting standards, as well as remove most of the offence). I can see now that i did a poor job, i admit i was in the wrong, i let my emotions sway my head. I apologise if i offended you in any way, it was wrong of me and not at all in line with the stance i was taking. 1. You didn't offend me. Do not worry about that. I am ashamed of a lot of things but voicing my opinions and how I judge others' isn't one of them. I spend so much time building my own way to evaluate my own opinion that someone I don't know cannot alter the confidence I have in it. Also, my post-scriptum was not ironical. You write well and even though I could sense the insult and contempt, it was in line with my own sense of respectable human exchange. My standards appears to be slightly different from what is common in Tl though. 2. In a wonderful world, people on TL would be psyched about GW2. But the truth is, they aren't. We have a few good players who post good content (PvP / WvW videos) but we haven't had a good discussion about the game since people started to give their feedback. 2 months in is enough. We don't need to go over the same arguments over and over again which is what people are doing right now. I am just saying that it has to stop because it deters people who would like to discuss the game from posting in here seeing that the community isn't welcoming their enjoyment of the game. PS : Also I disagree that consensus is the definition of a good opinion, however that's a much deeper topic.
There ARE other forums to discuss the game other than TL btw. Chances are, ones with less dissatisfied customers too. *hint*
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I feel like all the people who are complaining just need to make some friends in-game and play with them <3 it's so much more fun doing daily's quests dungeons pvp etc with friends/people you know
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On November 11 2012 01:57 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 09:31 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 10 2012 08:56 Otolia wrote:
OK people, I don't want to read the same argument over and over again. So if you could keep your "GW2 is dying" rants to yourself that'd be great.
People are still playing the game, it's still a worthy investment. So you stopped playing, huh ? WHO THE HELL CARES ? Am I criticizing Dishonored or XCOM after I completed my first playthrough and un-installed it ? No, I move on to what I'd like to do more. Could you please do the same ? You're on a fucking video game forum and you expect to not see people saying why they quit the game? Get the fuck out. They're here to express their opinion. Don't like it then don't read it. Who the hell cares that you don't want to see it. Maybe others do, maybe others agree. Maybe they dont but it at least opens up a discussion. Which your post does not. Keep your swearing for yourself. Also, since you seem to advocate that all opinions are worthy of being heard, mine is, consequentially, too. As for the rest, the same discussion keep going for pages while NOBODY is bringing points worthy of being talked. All the above opinions are bad, straight-forward and only relevant to those who are so mentally blocked by the current game market that they can't get around a game that doesn't set them clear and straight-forward goals. I don't respect players who remove the RP in the RPG and I never will. If one does not have creativity, then he shouldn't play GW2. If one has too much time on your hands, one shouldn't expectt GW2 to fulfill one like WoW can. Many reviews have been made, some loved it, some didn't. Referrals are coming up so I guess there will be a form of free trial. It's still one of the better game of the year and I don't see why people keep whining on this thread. It's freaking pointless.
I think arena net more than anything is removing the RP from RPG with guild wars 2. Our modern definition of a roleplaying game usually entails things like character progression and development. Thats one of the main reasons people love RPG's they love to make a character choose some stats then upgrade those stats over and over to become increasingly powerful, whether that be through loot or leveling up. Arena net has decided to do away with alot of that, You can unlock all your skills at a fairly low level, leaving you not much to look forward to in the way of skills, All gear of the same level is more or less equal, leaving you with just stat variations for customization but no real sense of progression.
Arena net does a good job at customization but a terrible job at progression. And although I like the scaling system, it means you will never really feel that sense of power that gives so many people a thrill in an RPG. I get the idea of having a game thats based on skill and agility, but thats not really what RPG's are supposed to be about , they are supposed to be about planning and progressing your character finding different ways to get the most out of his abilities through gear planning etc. Arena net wants to turn it into kind of an FPS mindset (reaction and twitch based) which I just dont really agree with , anyways hence my point that arena net themselves are trying to take the RP out of our modern definition of RPG in a sense..
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On a positive note though, Im looking forward to jumping back into the game to try out the new update in a few days, that new dungeon concept seems like a really good idea. As far as I understand you can get more powerful gear from it as well? Maybe arena net is starting to realize progression is the way to go as they release content updates, ill have to wait and see how it is, but im fairly excited to try it out.
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"As we watch Guild Wars 2 mature in its Live environment, we have found that our most dedicated players were achieving their set of Exotic gear and hitting “the Legendary wall.” We designed the process of getting Legendary gear to be a long term goal, but players were ready to start on that path much sooner than we expected and were becoming frustrated with a lack of personal progression. Our desire is to create a game that is more inclusive for hardcore and casual players alike, but we don’t want to overlook the basic need for players to feel like they are progressing and growing even after hitting max level. Adding item progression is a delicate process normally undertaken in an expansion, but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later." From guild wars 2 main site.
It seems as if the development team is not happy with the current personal progression path of characters either. Im really glad to hear them say this, it seems like they are willing to make the necessary steps. It also seems like they are modifying their philosophy a bit , I didnt think they would which is one of the reasons why i was so critical.
I do think that the statement about item progression usually being taken up in an expansion is a bit of a ludicrous statement though, most if not all mmo's add item progression with almost every major update.
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On November 14 2012 08:51 Executor1 wrote:
"As we watch Guild Wars 2 mature in its Live environment, we have found that our most dedicated players were achieving their set of Exotic gear and hitting “the Legendary wall.” We designed the process of getting Legendary gear to be a long term goal, but players were ready to start on that path much sooner than we expected and were becoming frustrated with a lack of personal progression. Our desire is to create a game that is more inclusive for hardcore and casual players alike, but we don’t want to overlook the basic need for players to feel like they are progressing and growing even after hitting max level. Adding item progression is a delicate process normally undertaken in an expansion, but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later." From guild wars 2 main site.
It seems as if the development team is not happy with the current personal progression path of characters either. Im really glad to hear them say this, it seems like they are willing to make the necessary steps. It also seems like they are modifying their philosophy a bit , I didnt think they would which is one of the reasons why i was so critical.
I do think that the statement about item progression usually being taken up in an expansion is a bit of a ludicrous statement though, most if not all mmo's add item progression with almost every major update.
Eh, there is a ton of backlash in the community over the new tier of gear being added specifically because it goes against their original philosophy. People expected horizontal, not vertical, progression, with the new gear is supposed to only have new skins and different rearrangement of stats rather than an outright improvement in stats.
I personally don't want this to mean the start of a trend where Arenanet does end adding a traditional gear treadmill into the game. I want to be able to return to the game a year later and find that my full set of exotics is still relevant enough to complete most new content. I'm fine if they use this is the last tier of rarity that they are going to add and if they make good use of it being between exotic and legendary, though, since it looks like Ascended gear will only provide a minor stat bonus.
To be fair, getting exotics wasn't much of a grind but getting legendaries is the biggest grind, and if they add a more reasonable grind to get Ascended-level gear without giving them too much of a stat bonus, then I'm fine with the new plans for progression.
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On November 14 2012 09:48 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 08:51 Executor1 wrote:
"As we watch Guild Wars 2 mature in its Live environment, we have found that our most dedicated players were achieving their set of Exotic gear and hitting “the Legendary wall.” We designed the process of getting Legendary gear to be a long term goal, but players were ready to start on that path much sooner than we expected and were becoming frustrated with a lack of personal progression. Our desire is to create a game that is more inclusive for hardcore and casual players alike, but we don’t want to overlook the basic need for players to feel like they are progressing and growing even after hitting max level. Adding item progression is a delicate process normally undertaken in an expansion, but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later." From guild wars 2 main site.
It seems as if the development team is not happy with the current personal progression path of characters either. Im really glad to hear them say this, it seems like they are willing to make the necessary steps. It also seems like they are modifying their philosophy a bit , I didnt think they would which is one of the reasons why i was so critical.
I do think that the statement about item progression usually being taken up in an expansion is a bit of a ludicrous statement though, most if not all mmo's add item progression with almost every major update. Eh, there is a ton of backlash in the community over the new tier of gear being added specifically because it goes against their original philosophy. People expected horizontal, not vertical, progression, with the new gear is supposed to only have new skins and different rearrangement of stats rather than an outright improvement in stats. I personally don't want this to mean the start of a trend where Arenanet does end adding a traditional gear treadmill into the game. I want to be able to return to the game a year later and find that my full set of exotics is still relevant enough to complete most new content. I'm fine if they use this is the last tier of rarity that they are going to add and if they make good use of it being between exotic and legendary, though, since it looks like Ascended gear will only provide a minor stat bonus. To be fair, getting exotics wasn't much of a grind but getting legendaries is the biggest grind, and if they add a more reasonable grind to get Ascended-level gear without giving them too much of a stat bonus, then I'm fine with the new plans for progression.
To be honest though, and this may not be the best approach. The people complaining about that are the people that stuck around, and im fairly certain there has been a pretty massive drop off in players since launch, so i really think they are trying to appeal to the large number of players that stopped playing or rarely play, as opposed to those already playing (which for all we know could be a minority depending on how many players have stopped logging in regularly).
Still its a tough call on which approach is better, appeal to customers already playing or appeal to future and returning customers. I would think that to make that call, they must have seen a huge decrease in players since launch, considering it goes against their original mantra and most of the players quitting over the period of time since launch where saying that no sense of progression in the end game or "nothing to do" or not enough carrot was causing them to leave.
I feel like a sense of progression (beyond cosmetic) is almost mandatory to keep the majority of players sticking around in an MMO (and even that isn't enough a lot of the time) but wow has shown (and im not suggesting that arena net should copy wow) that having a deep progression system with a constant treadmill can hold 10's of millions of players interest for YEARS. Its a far more satisfying feeling to feel like your character is more powerful after accomplishing something in a game than it is to just have him look cooler and i think most people will agree with that.
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Really looking forward to try GW2 for the first time. Last MMO was wow, and the reason I really hated that game, was the constant pressure on doing things. I hate it when I felt guilty for not logging in say 2-3 weeks, knowing my character would be weaker compared to others cause Blizz hands out gear on a treadmill.
From reading a few posts here, seems like GW2 is not like that, or atleast I hope so.
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Man, the changes to professions are pretty weird.
They really didn't hit whnere they should have done it.
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hahaha, they nerfed Plinx. About time, although it was a satisfying chain to farm.
Hopefully, the changes to loot in lower-level areas and in dungeons should be an improvement.
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Is there a stats page that shows the most popular race, gender, etc?
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