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Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
March 22 2012 14:35 GMT
#2561
The whole gem system is pretty much the way it works in EVE online, it works fine there. It's just like every other MMO, except gold sellers don't get money, Arenanet does. And the money doesn't get you power really, just gets you more fancy looking power.
Go big, or go home!
ryndaris
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 14:42:43
March 22 2012 14:42 GMT
#2562
Having seen the leaked footage I can safely say I will def buy this game

What bothers me are the res stones, but only if they're usable in explorable mode dungeons. I don't understand all the talk about bags though. Coming from WoW I think of bags as several empty slots that eventually fill with bags of ever increasing sizes. Is the gw system different?
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 22 2012 17:06 GMT
#2563
I'm all up for creating a new Euro tl guild.

The chaps from team legacy are cool, but I want to play on euro server, (.
Someone go create the guild already.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 17:12:43
March 22 2012 17:11 GMT
#2564
On March 22 2012 15:41 grs wrote:
1. You buy "gems" for real money.
2. Gems and ingame gold are interchangable / between players
--> Equals: you can buy gold.

I just added the underlined part and it still is the same. This, and especially the wow flowchart is marketing blabla, maybe even marketing blabla bz fanboys. I am not bashing goldselling and I am not bashing GW2, since I am happy when it comes out, but these kind of marketing lies get on my nerves.


You obviously haven't played GW1. All end game gear has the same stats. You can get ordinary endgame gear very cheap and easily. If you want cool looking shit you will need lots of gold or gems. So no, there is no "unfair advantage" to people buying gold unless you consider looking cooler an unfair advantage. On the other-hand, in WoW, if you buy gold you buy gear that has BETTER stats and thus get an unfair advantage.
Sky0
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States214 Posts
March 22 2012 17:16 GMT
#2565
On March 23 2012 02:11 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 15:41 grs wrote:
1. You buy "gems" for real money.
2. Gems and ingame gold are interchangable / between players
--> Equals: you can buy gold.

I just added the underlined part and it still is the same. This, and especially the wow flowchart is marketing blabla, maybe even marketing blabla bz fanboys. I am not bashing goldselling and I am not bashing GW2, since I am happy when it comes out, but these kind of marketing lies get on my nerves.


You obviously haven't played GW1. All end game gear has the same stats. You can get ordinary endgame gear very cheap and easily. If you want cool looking shit you will need lots of gold or gems. So no, there is no "unfair advantage" to people buying gold unless you consider looking cooler an unfair advantage. On the other-hand, in WoW, if you buy gold you buy gear that has BETTER stats and thus get an unfair advantage.


Umm. In wow you cant come anywhere near end game gear with good stats by buying it with gold. You have to be in a top tier raiding guild, run heroic instances like all the time to get decent epics, or be really good at arena pvp. The items that you make or drop in the world suck. you can make some starter blue gear and bad epics. where are u getting your info/
"We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction"
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
March 22 2012 19:31 GMT
#2566
On March 23 2012 02:16 Sky0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 02:11 DEN1ED wrote:
On March 22 2012 15:41 grs wrote:
1. You buy "gems" for real money.
2. Gems and ingame gold are interchangable / between players
--> Equals: you can buy gold.

I just added the underlined part and it still is the same. This, and especially the wow flowchart is marketing blabla, maybe even marketing blabla bz fanboys. I am not bashing goldselling and I am not bashing GW2, since I am happy when it comes out, but these kind of marketing lies get on my nerves.


You obviously haven't played GW1. All end game gear has the same stats. You can get ordinary endgame gear very cheap and easily. If you want cool looking shit you will need lots of gold or gems. So no, there is no "unfair advantage" to people buying gold unless you consider looking cooler an unfair advantage. On the other-hand, in WoW, if you buy gold you buy gear that has BETTER stats and thus get an unfair advantage.


Umm. In wow you cant come anywhere near end game gear with good stats by buying it with gold. You have to be in a top tier raiding guild, run heroic instances like all the time to get decent epics, or be really good at arena pvp. The items that you make or drop in the world suck. you can make some starter blue gear and bad epics. where are u getting your info/


I guess EVE is broken because of PLEX.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:41:25
March 22 2012 19:39 GMT
#2567
On March 23 2012 02:16 Sky0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 02:11 DEN1ED wrote:
On March 22 2012 15:41 grs wrote:
1. You buy "gems" for real money.
2. Gems and ingame gold are interchangable / between players
--> Equals: you can buy gold.

I just added the underlined part and it still is the same. This, and especially the wow flowchart is marketing blabla, maybe even marketing blabla bz fanboys. I am not bashing goldselling and I am not bashing GW2, since I am happy when it comes out, but these kind of marketing lies get on my nerves.


You obviously haven't played GW1. All end game gear has the same stats. You can get ordinary endgame gear very cheap and easily. If you want cool looking shit you will need lots of gold or gems. So no, there is no "unfair advantage" to people buying gold unless you consider looking cooler an unfair advantage. On the other-hand, in WoW, if you buy gold you buy gear that has BETTER stats and thus get an unfair advantage.


Umm. In wow you cant come anywhere near end game gear with good stats by buying it with gold. You have to be in a top tier raiding guild, run heroic instances like all the time to get decent epics, or be really good at arena pvp. The items that you make or drop in the world suck. you can make some starter blue gear and bad epics. where are u getting your info/


Hi, let me introduce you to buy raids by higher level guilds. Heck, even achievement runs were done at end of Wrath.

5k per raider for LK 10 HC achi..yea been there done that. Buy some gear on the same run, why not!

Yes, you can buy high end power in wow with gold, and you can buy gold.

edit: and when I sawy been there done that, I been selling them runs and drops from the runs. 40-100k for a full HC clear in ICC for example
Crawler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Estonia248 Posts
March 22 2012 20:06 GMT
#2568
I'd like to add to daemir's post that for example during FL times you could buy weapons from AH for 20k-50k which were BiS before heroic raids and also there were craft items. If you just dinged max level and had for example 50k gold then in some realms you could've bought full epic gear, good enough for latest tier normal raids with pugs and heroic groups when you played on top tier level. Without gold buying it might take over a week of constant farming to reach same level of equipment.
DnameIN
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland146 Posts
March 22 2012 20:21 GMT
#2569
The way PLEX works in EVE and buying slot in raids in WoW doesn't really matter. There is thousand other ways to buy better items in EVERY MMO game. Just find the guy that is selling account, or something else. You cannot avoid it. Difference is only in doing it in official way, or on the black market.

I vote for first option. At least developers have some motivation to keep game economy in proper health.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 01:08:14
March 23 2012 01:04 GMT
#2570
On March 23 2012 02:16 Sky0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 02:11 DEN1ED wrote:
On March 22 2012 15:41 grs wrote:
1. You buy "gems" for real money.
2. Gems and ingame gold are interchangable / between players
--> Equals: you can buy gold.

I just added the underlined part and it still is the same. This, and especially the wow flowchart is marketing blabla, maybe even marketing blabla bz fanboys. I am not bashing goldselling and I am not bashing GW2, since I am happy when it comes out, but these kind of marketing lies get on my nerves.


You obviously haven't played GW1. All end game gear has the same stats. You can get ordinary endgame gear very cheap and easily. If you want cool looking shit you will need lots of gold or gems. So no, there is no "unfair advantage" to people buying gold unless you consider looking cooler an unfair advantage. On the other-hand, in WoW, if you buy gold you buy gear that has BETTER stats and thus get an unfair advantage.


Umm. In wow you cant come anywhere near end game gear with good stats by buying it with gold. You have to be in a top tier raiding guild, run heroic instances like all the time to get decent epics, or be really good at arena pvp. The items that you make or drop in the world suck. you can make some starter blue gear and bad epics. where are u getting your info/


WHAT? You can buy epics with ilvl 397. That is definitely end game gear seeing as the only tier above that is endgame heroic gear. Do you even play WoW? You don't think there are good BoE drops or craftable items? http://www.wowhead.com/items?filter=qu=4;cr=3;crs=1;crv=0#0-2 1 theres a list for you. Definitley not "starter blue gear" and "bad epics".
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
March 23 2012 07:49 GMT
#2571
It's 1am in CA. Beta servers still not up. I guess I was too hopeful they'd release them starting at midnight for the weekend.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 23 2012 08:19 GMT
#2572
On March 23 2012 16:49 Zooper31 wrote:
It's 1am in CA. Beta servers still not up. I guess I was too hopeful they'd release them starting at midnight for the weekend.


They said 12 pm on friday already I believe I read somewhere.
When I think of something else, something will go here
TobZero
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany493 Posts
March 23 2012 08:25 GMT
#2573
i think there is a better way to describe the microtransaction thing for player who dont get it right!
played eve a lot the last year so i know this system pretty well. think of it this way:

you dont buy gold with real money but actually you are paying another player for the time he spent in the game earning the gold that you in the end can spend on vanity items.
its not like arenanet is magicly creating gold from air (if its like eve) when you spend real money. its always a direct trade of time=money with another player while arenanet is the handler.
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
March 23 2012 14:44 GMT
#2574
On March 23 2012 17:25 TobZero wrote:
i think there is a better way to describe the microtransaction thing for player who dont get it right!
played eve a lot the last year so i know this system pretty well. think of it this way:

you dont buy gold with real money but actually you are paying another player for the time he spent in the game earning the gold that you in the end can spend on vanity items.
its not like arenanet is magicly creating gold from air (if its like eve) when you spend real money. its always a direct trade of time=money with another player while arenanet is the handler.


This is the key point.

Buying gold from devs for money is bad because it floods the system with gold. Buying gems then trading them can only ever move money around.

If ArenaNet didn't have this gem system you'd just have people buying gold from 3rd parties for money. Why is it every time a developer sidesteps a 3rd party to create the EXACT SAME GAME that would exist anyways (except without as much gold seller spam) people freak out?
Logo
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
March 23 2012 15:44 GMT
#2575
On March 23 2012 23:44 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 17:25 TobZero wrote:
i think there is a better way to describe the microtransaction thing for player who dont get it right!
played eve a lot the last year so i know this system pretty well. think of it this way:

you dont buy gold with real money but actually you are paying another player for the time he spent in the game earning the gold that you in the end can spend on vanity items.
its not like arenanet is magicly creating gold from air (if its like eve) when you spend real money. its always a direct trade of time=money with another player while arenanet is the handler.


This is the key point.

Buying gold from devs for money is bad because it floods the system with gold. Buying gems then trading them can only ever move money around.

If ArenaNet didn't have this gem system you'd just have people buying gold from 3rd parties for money. Why is it every time a developer sidesteps a 3rd party to create the EXACT SAME GAME that would exist anyways (except without as much gold seller spam) people freak out?


Not to mention, we've seen that it's effective with PLEX.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#2576
it's almost time!! glad i have a half day at work. ^_^
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HejaBVB
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany125 Posts
March 24 2012 15:00 GMT
#2577
Played the Beta a bit and I don't know yet. Guardian is the perfect class for me, I love these Full-Support Type of classes. PvP is nice, but I don't get the link between PvP and PvE. Why should I level from 1-80 if I can create a char join PvP with Level1 and get a Level80 Char with Full PvP Set.
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
March 24 2012 15:04 GMT
#2578
On March 25 2012 00:00 HejaBVB wrote:
Played the Beta a bit and I don't know yet. Guardian is the perfect class for me, I love these Full-Support Type of classes. PvP is nice, but I don't get the link between PvP and PvE. Why should I level from 1-80 if I can create a char join PvP with Level1 and get a Level80 Char with Full PvP Set.


it's probably made this way because it's beta so that you can test pvp the way it should be, it's pointless if there's beta and you can't get to any pvp simply because of the time limit
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DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 15:07:21
March 24 2012 15:07 GMT
#2579
On March 25 2012 00:04 anomalopidae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 00:00 HejaBVB wrote:
Played the Beta a bit and I don't know yet. Guardian is the perfect class for me, I love these Full-Support Type of classes. PvP is nice, but I don't get the link between PvP and PvE. Why should I level from 1-80 if I can create a char join PvP with Level1 and get a Level80 Char with Full PvP Set.


it's probably made this way because it's beta so that you can test pvp the way it should be, it's pointless if there's beta and you can't get to any pvp simply because of the time limit


No, that's how it is. And to answer your question, if you only want to play PvP why should you have to PvE and level a guy from 1-80?
Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
March 24 2012 15:09 GMT
#2580
The way it worked in GW1 was that you could make max level PvP chars, get gear with perfect stats on it, but you could never get any special skins. So if you wanted to look cool for PvPing you would have to use your PvE characters anyways. It will probably be the same here. I think it's a good system because it allows people who don't want to bother with PvE to just PvP all day without having any disadvantages.
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