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On March 12 2011 08:04 Bozotclown wrote:
DA:O is really just a hollow rushed shell. Just compare the beginning of it to the beginning of DO:A. In DO:A there is an entire castle designed just for the first half hour of the game, in DA2 you get a bland brown path as the start.
Know how I know you're a troll? Because that's the dumbest argument I've read all day. And I've been browsing the internet, so I've read a ton of dumb arguments.
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Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me.
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On March 12 2011 08:16 Zidane wrote:
Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me.
Well one reason would be to help someone on the fence about buying a game to decide. I use forums frequently to make those kind of decisions. It's not the only thing I take into consideration but it helps. Also it could help produce better quality games. Some developers care what people think and visit forums to see what they got right and wrong. And sometimes its just to vent frustration or talk about how great a game is with people who also play it. Thats what forums are for. Hope that helps.
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On March 12 2011 08:20 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:16 Zidane wrote:
Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me. Well one reason would be to help someone on the fence about buying a game to decide. I use forums frequently to make those kind of decisions. It's not the only thing I take into consideration but it helps. Also it could help produce better quality games. Some developers care what people think and visit forums to see what they got right and wrong. And sometimes its just to vent frustration or talk about how great a game is with people who also play it. Thats what forums are for. Hope that helps.
This is what forums were for YEARS ago before youtube.
Now, you can go type "dragon age 2 gameplay or dragon age playthrough" and see EXACTLY how the game is with no opinion needed.
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On March 12 2011 08:16 chickensmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:04 Bozotclown wrote:
DA:O is really just a hollow rushed shell. Just compare the beginning of it to the beginning of DO:A. In DO:A there is an entire castle designed just for the first half hour of the game, in DA2 you get a bland brown path as the start. Know how I know you're a troll? Because that's the dumbest argument I've read all day. And I've been browsing the internet, so I've read a ton of dumb arguments.
Grow up. Think about this from the perspective of a designer. Do you really think they would want their game to start off on some crappy random brown road. I can't think of a game that has as poor a start as DA2.
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Recycled environments, boring quests and shallow combat. Feels claustrophobic.
So far my favorite part of the game is that nobody seems to know what I am, including myself. I'm talking to a Templar. I'm an Apostate and I'm not doing a very good job of hiding it. I'm wearing a mages robe, I have a fucking huge staff with a skull on my back and as if that wasn't enough of a blatent telegraph I just saved his life with liberal use of Blood Magic. Does he mention it at all? Nope. Is my character neutral to other Blood Mages? Nope. Its not so much that the Dialogue is bad, its just not very broad...
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Right, now I'm experimenting with builds. Pretty interesting. It's giving me a headache though, trying to re-do everyone's tactics, respecing them, etc.
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On March 12 2011 08:23 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:20 takingbackoj wrote:On March 12 2011 08:16 Zidane wrote:
Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me. Well one reason would be to help someone on the fence about buying a game to decide. I use forums frequently to make those kind of decisions. It's not the only thing I take into consideration but it helps. Also it could help produce better quality games. Some developers care what people think and visit forums to see what they got right and wrong. And sometimes its just to vent frustration or talk about how great a game is with people who also play it. Thats what forums are for. Hope that helps. This is what forums were for YEARS ago before youtube. Now, you can go type "dragon age 2 gameplay or dragon age playthrough" and see EXACTLY how the game is with no opinion needed.
Ya you can always watch a video review but those could be somewhat biased too. They could be showing a really crappy part of a game and just tell you it sucks based on that. Talking with multiple people and seeing how they feel about it is a good way to get a feel of it.
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On March 12 2011 08:23 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:20 takingbackoj wrote:On March 12 2011 08:16 Zidane wrote:
Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me. Well one reason would be to help someone on the fence about buying a game to decide. I use forums frequently to make those kind of decisions. It's not the only thing I take into consideration but it helps. Also it could help produce better quality games. Some developers care what people think and visit forums to see what they got right and wrong. And sometimes its just to vent frustration or talk about how great a game is with people who also play it. Thats what forums are for. Hope that helps. This is what forums were for YEARS ago before youtube. Now, you can go type "dragon age 2 gameplay or dragon age playthrough" and see EXACTLY how the game is with no opinion needed.
I'll take a forum consensus before an "official" review any day...if I waited and read the forum before buying it I would've saved myself 60$ and pirated or bought it discounted instead -_-. And yeah youtubing a game definetly shows you exactly how a game is....who cares about what the actual controls and spending a few hours playing a game is like. As long as the youtube trailer's good the game owns!
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On March 12 2011 08:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm enjoying it...
lol I believe that makes the mod count 1 to 1,
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I just finished the game. I must say, I did actually enjoy it. While it indeed were missing a few key aspects from DA:O like example more interesting Deep Roads, it worked all in all for me. I felt that the characters were a bit more interesting in DA2 than DA:O. Well except for Merrill, she was just too annoying to handle. I just simply found some of the characters quite dull in DA:O. Alistair, the cast-away royal son and he doesnt even know of it, bleh. A dog? Really? Morrigan (although she ahs some funny and snazzy comments) a witch sent by her mother to help you? No thank you. I found that the characters in DA2 was more fun and polished. My favourite characters from the game is probably Anders and Isabela (No not for her huge breasts)
+ Show Spoiler +Blowing up the whole motherflippin' chantry?! Well played meser.
Stealing an ancient relic from the Qunari? Awesome.
While I think it's quite dissapointing that you HAD to be a human for this game I dont really think it did that huge of a deal in DA:O. Yea sure you got a different starting area, and it lasted like what? 20 - 30 min?
I also felt that the choices I made in the game did effect the game more in DA2 than in DA:O. Or in an atleast more direct way.
Whilst this new conversation wheel feels a bit...noobish. Not only is it horribly unaccurate (You simply want to turn down an offer and you blatantly shove their proposal up their asses asking them to piss off) but it's also a bit simplified.
Atleast in DA:O I could see exactly what I was going to say. And also with the conversation wheel getting your friendship/rivalry with your companions was super easy, didn't even have to think a second what to say.
And yes as probably everyone has already stated. The repeated use of scenery. It didn't bother me that much since many games has used this, whilst I think it's something we shouldnt tolerate now in 2011 in a game, I was able to over-see it. Simply beacuse you werent there for the same reason as in the start. Since I mainly play RPG's for the story and to see my choices affect the world, DA2 was a blast for me in that perspective.
While I wouldn't go and give the game an overkill score like PC gamer did and give it a 94 I would still give it a decent. Probably in the 65-75ish.
Bottomline, I enjoyed the game. Didn't really have sky-high hopes for it so I actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
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On March 12 2011 08:30 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:23 Mailing wrote:On March 12 2011 08:20 takingbackoj wrote:On March 12 2011 08:16 Zidane wrote:
Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me. Well one reason would be to help someone on the fence about buying a game to decide. I use forums frequently to make those kind of decisions. It's not the only thing I take into consideration but it helps. Also it could help produce better quality games. Some developers care what people think and visit forums to see what they got right and wrong. And sometimes its just to vent frustration or talk about how great a game is with people who also play it. Thats what forums are for. Hope that helps. This is what forums were for YEARS ago before youtube. Now, you can go type "dragon age 2 gameplay or dragon age playthrough" and see EXACTLY how the game is with no opinion needed. I'll take a forum consensus before an "official" review any day...if I waited and read the forum before buying it I would've saved myself 60$ and pirated or bought it discounted instead -_-. And yeah youtubing a game definetly shows you exactly how a game is....who cares about what the actual controls and spending a few hours playing a game is like. As long as the youtube trailer's good the game owns!
My thing is that it's a bit strange how people are becoming forum warriors for the sole purpose of convincing others about their opinion of the game, and how its absolute fact. If someone isn't going to agree with you about their experience about the game, the world isn't going to end.
Furhtermore, I honestly believe the game isn't anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. Let's be real here, this game isn't very much different than the first game. Sure there are a lot of different elements, but the core of this game is pretty much the same stuff in DAO.
So why is it that so many people feel like bioware spat on their mother's grave in releasing DA2 is beyond me. Like I wanna know if these people really feel this insulted about how bad they think this game is. Do people rage this hard when a blockbuster movie is a flop where they'll argue with their friends over it?
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On March 12 2011 09:29 Zidane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 08:30 antelope591 wrote:On March 12 2011 08:23 Mailing wrote:On March 12 2011 08:20 takingbackoj wrote:On March 12 2011 08:16 Zidane wrote:
Why people find the need to convince random strangers over the internet about how terrible a game is is beyond me. Well one reason would be to help someone on the fence about buying a game to decide. I use forums frequently to make those kind of decisions. It's not the only thing I take into consideration but it helps. Also it could help produce better quality games. Some developers care what people think and visit forums to see what they got right and wrong. And sometimes its just to vent frustration or talk about how great a game is with people who also play it. Thats what forums are for. Hope that helps. This is what forums were for YEARS ago before youtube. Now, you can go type "dragon age 2 gameplay or dragon age playthrough" and see EXACTLY how the game is with no opinion needed. I'll take a forum consensus before an "official" review any day...if I waited and read the forum before buying it I would've saved myself 60$ and pirated or bought it discounted instead -_-. And yeah youtubing a game definetly shows you exactly how a game is....who cares about what the actual controls and spending a few hours playing a game is like. As long as the youtube trailer's good the game owns! My thing is that it's a bit strange how people are becoming forum warriors for the sole purpose of convincing others about their opinion of the game, and how its absolute fact. If someone isn't going to agree with you about their experience about the game, the world isn't going to end. Furhtermore, I honestly believe the game isn't anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. Let's be real here, this game isn't very much different than the first game. Sure there are a lot of different elements, but the core of this game is pretty much the same stuff in DAO. So why is it that so many people feel like bioware spat on their mother's grave in releasing DA2 is beyond me. Like I wanna know if these people really feel this insulted about how bad they think this game is. Do people rage this hard when a blockbuster movie is a flop where they'll argue with their friends over it?
Like mentioned before its not always about convincing other people of anything and as for your movie argument, uh have you ever heard of star wars the phantom menace? Indiana Jones? Pretty much every movie that comes out gets reviewed by critics and fans alike. I guess we should create an area where people can discuss their feelings and opinions good and bad on various topics on the web. We could call them forums. I mean if thats not what forums are for then I would love to know what other application they are used for. And also it seems like you are trying to convince others about your opinion of the game. The good news is that this is the correct forum for that and I respect your opinon.
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One thing that really pissed me off is the fucking time skipping. About 10 minutes in, you skip a full year for no apparent reason. Suddenly all the NPCs around town know you. I did some more background work and actually reading into it, and apparently in that year they skipped, your character was working with mercenaries and merchants to help sneak you into Kirkwall since the city is so overflowed.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME BIOWARE?
The ONE part of this game that sounds legitimate interesting story-wise and gameplay wise, you just skip over? I bet if I looked more into all these time skips, there are a bunch of awesome gameplay opportunities they just skipped over. Holy crap, there is literally so much potential for stuff they just gloss over mindlessly (1 year skip, then 3 year skip. wat) that they could have turned this 12-15 hour game on Hard to a 25-30 hour game on Hard.
That is one of the main factors that I do not love this game. I like it, but I do not love it. That's why it's a 6.5-7/10 for me. There was SO MUCH POTENTIAL for interesting shit and they just skip over it.
Also, that and the Lead Writer was heavily influenced by Twilight for her writing the Romance Dialogue in the game. I'm not even fucking trolling, there's a screencap of her saying that on the forums. That is even more apparent when you look at dem dialogue options:
+ Show Spoiler +
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On March 12 2011 11:37 Fruscainte wrote:Also, that and the Lead Writer was heavily influenced by Twilight for her writing the Romance Dialogue in the game. I'm not even fucking trolling, there's a screencap of her saying that on the forums. That is even more apparent when you look at dem dialogue options: + Show Spoiler +
I'm Hungry lol.
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i've run through as much of the game as i can manage for a first play-through
but i just can't bring myself to start another one
something about seeing how much customization you can do, and having a memory of a lot of what can actually be influenced sets the game aside for me
i hope it's not like this for a lot of you because i'd like to play again but i just can't personally think of there being quite enough content right now to do it
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So, bottom line... worth pirating?
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I'm only like 3 hours in... It's pretty boring. People are saying how great the combat is, but it's really repetitive in my opinion. I was hoping the combat could rescue the game from the recycled environments and claustrophobia, but so far I've been unimpressed. Cool auto attack animations don't save me nothing. I know I've unlocked very few abilities so far, but even still... the combat is too fast and doesn't provide a challenge. I'm on hard difficulty, and it's hard in a stupid way, not a challenging way. For instance, the second troll I fought was only beatable by kiting the enemies with the mage and waiting for CD's to finish... not fun, just stupid. No matter what I did my characters would die, and I could only win with kiting. Compared to the highly strategic position based combat in DA:O... It's not so good.
Everything's in one city and that sort of makes me grossed out. Looking at the map, I can see it's not actually much bigger than the DA:O map, but at least you had the illusion of grandeur, which is pretty important I think. The difference between a map of a country and a map of a city might not mean much in game play terms, but psychologically it's an awful decision for players. Feels like a much smaller adventure.
I'm not far into the story but it's been pretty predictable so far. I want to fuck the sister to, which I know won't happen. So obviously that's a big disappointment. Somethings make no sense. Why does Flemmeth have the body of a model but the same old wrinkle face?
I don't like the redhead or the dwarf. They're both SO uninteresting. I guess I'll finish the game, but it's gonna take a while.
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