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On March 12 2011 02:13 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:11 Fruscainte wrote:On March 12 2011 02:05 Bibdy wrote:On March 12 2011 02:02 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On March 12 2011 01:47 takingbackoj wrote:
I think we're all missing the big point here. Mass Effect 3 is already on its way and seems to be just as quickly developed as DA 2. Whatever mechanics are going to be in it are already decided and implemented. Does Bioware have the balls to throw dirt on a great franchise like ME as well? Im going hoping it is great but after this im expecting a half made game with loads of DLC, repetitive enviroments, simplified combat and really good conversations. tbh i dont have that much fear for me3. the game is a totally different story atleast for me. its more like a well done movieish action adventure. i dont expect it too be super deep or something. i just want it to be well done and polished with some choices and good voice acting/characters (loved the professor guy and good body language overall). given that they have more time for it and that i doubt they will change much of the concept of me2 it should be fine. /edit oh no bigdy is back. can we please ignore him this time so we dont have another 3 pages where he argues with evryone how awesome the game is? For someone who dislikes the game, you're spending an awful lot of time discussing it. What's your motivation exactly? To convince everyone to stop enjoying a game? Do you intend to stop them at the counter and make their purchasing decisions for them, too? Oh golly me. I forgot this is the "Praise Dragon Age 2 Explicitly Thread" My mistake. Unlike you, I'm capable of rational judgement.
That's where I lost you.
When people start making personal jabs at someone over a VIDEO GAME discussion, it is clear they have lost all objectivity in the matter.
Quit with the e-police and backseat modding. It's kind of annoying. If a game is bad, we are going to talk about it being bad in how it is. If a company is illegally downloading DRM on your computer after saying they wouldn't, we are going to talk about that. If they are overreacting to bad reviews, we will talk about that. Not the omgsoimmersive voice acting.
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/ignore mode on. always them '10 guys...
does anybody know what this means in legal ways? if they already lost a case about this and now knowingly lie and decieve the customer isnt that quite a huge deal?
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So everyone that thinks the game sucks is wrong because YOU think its a good game? Sorry but the majority of people agree that the game is nothing but a rush job and is put together poorly.
I think the majority of people are pissed more at the decision to for a quick release just to make a buck. We all expected a good quality game from Bioware, and instead we got a rush job. If its EA's influence, then the blame falls on them.
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On March 12 2011 02:21 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:/ignore mode on. always them '10 guys... does anybody know what this means in legal ways? if they already lost a case about this and now knowingly lie and decieve the customer isnt that quite a huge deal?
It means they're fucking boned if anyone wants to do anything about it. They dont even have a case if someone sues them.
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I seriously have to question the state of mind of anyone enjoying this game. Even if you can ignore the repetitive fighting, the lack of freedom, the shallow characters, no free camera movement, the stupid boring quests, the mindnumbing clicking on books which leads to hundreds of popups which you never gonna read, and if you decide to do so you regret it immediately. Even if you don't mind playing the same dungeon for 15 times, walking the same places over and over again, what the hell are you actually enjoying then? The cancerous dialogs? The graphics? I don't believe you. This is the C&C 4 of RPG. Nobodies gonna talk about it in 4 weeks anymore. EA just got one victim more on their list.
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I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child.
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I havent played DA2 yet. I don't care about most of the changes people said DA2 has made from the original. I don't care about the story, the graphics, the change in combat, or the recycled maps that people seem to complain alot about.
The most important question is, do i get to have sweet passionate sex with another bro with a romantic chorus singing in the background or not?
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On March 12 2011 02:31 DJEtterStyle wrote:
I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child.
dont quite see the point of that. feedback is always good and happens evrywhere. ofc in the internet the "quality" of the feedback isnt always nice. but thats just the way the internet works.
i/friends wrote emails/letters to magazines,newspapers or companies when we thought their product was shit. and you know what? often such critic actually gets printed or rewarded with small freebies.
that something like that happens when a company is destroying a franchise and dissapointing thousands(maybe million) of people is good and well deserved. if it wasnt deserved it wouldnt happen. i cant remember even one time where there was a outrage over a game that was undeserved. be it ubisoft drm, no dedicated servers in one fps(a cod game i think?), gothic 4,c&c4 etc.
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On March 12 2011 02:29 Perkins1752 wrote:
I seriously have to question the state of mind of anyone enjoying this game. Even if you can ignore the repetitive fighting, the lack of freedom, the shallow characters, no free camera movement, the stupid boring quests, the mindnumbing clicking on books which leads to hundreds of popups which you never gonna read, and if you decide to do so you regret it immediately. Even if you don't mind playing the same dungeon for 15 times, walking the same places over and over again, what the hell are you actually enjoying then? The cancerous dialogs? The graphics? I don't believe you. This is the C&C 4 of RPG. Nobodies gonna talk about it in 4 weeks anymore. EA just got one victim more on their list.
I had some good laughs with the sarcastic "middle-right" dialog option. I started with "bottom-right" but it had not enough effect on my character for my tastes. Quickly I switched to sarcasm and never looked back.
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On March 12 2011 02:19 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:13 Bibdy wrote:On March 12 2011 02:11 Fruscainte wrote:On March 12 2011 02:05 Bibdy wrote:On March 12 2011 02:02 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On March 12 2011 01:47 takingbackoj wrote:
I think we're all missing the big point here. Mass Effect 3 is already on its way and seems to be just as quickly developed as DA 2. Whatever mechanics are going to be in it are already decided and implemented. Does Bioware have the balls to throw dirt on a great franchise like ME as well? Im going hoping it is great but after this im expecting a half made game with loads of DLC, repetitive enviroments, simplified combat and really good conversations. tbh i dont have that much fear for me3. the game is a totally different story atleast for me. its more like a well done movieish action adventure. i dont expect it too be super deep or something. i just want it to be well done and polished with some choices and good voice acting/characters (loved the professor guy and good body language overall). given that they have more time for it and that i doubt they will change much of the concept of me2 it should be fine. /edit oh no bigdy is back. can we please ignore him this time so we dont have another 3 pages where he argues with evryone how awesome the game is? For someone who dislikes the game, you're spending an awful lot of time discussing it. What's your motivation exactly? To convince everyone to stop enjoying a game? Do you intend to stop them at the counter and make their purchasing decisions for them, too? Oh golly me. I forgot this is the "Praise Dragon Age 2 Explicitly Thread" My mistake. Unlike you, I'm capable of rational judgement. That's where I lost you. When people start making personal jabs at someone over a VIDEO GAME discussion, it is clear they have lost all objectivity in the matter. Quit with the e-police and backseat modding. It's kind of annoying. If a game is bad, we are going to talk about it being bad in how it is. If a company is illegally downloading DRM on your computer after saying they wouldn't, we are going to talk about that. If they are overreacting to bad reviews, we will talk about that. Not the omgsoimmersive voice acting.
Wow the hypocrisy is phenomenal. Is that why you strawman me with a statement like "I forgot this is the 'Praise Dragon Age 2 Explicitly Thread'"? I'm the one praising the game on its merits, while simultaneously acknowledging its pitfalls, in light of the childish complaints that people keep copy-pasting from various sources into this thread and using it to form their own opinions. You're the one who attacked me first without even fully reading what it is I have to say. So, please. Your objectivity is questionable in its own right.
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On March 12 2011 02:31 DJEtterStyle wrote:
I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child.
This is the most fallacious way of thinking, and it's so prominent in America it's pathetic.
DONT LIKE LIVING IN AMERICA? MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DONT LIKE YOU EITHER
The same shit here.
"Dont like our game? Dont buy it, dont talk about it, dont rate it low. Just ignore it"
No, that's fucking bullshit. If you hate a game, you voice your opinion because that's how things get changed. This game was an abomination to the original in my opinion, and I am going to voice my opinion about it. Bioware wants to ban me from their forums and from playing their games? That's just even more pathetic. You dont change things by shrugging your shoulders and walking away, you do it by yelling on the top of your lungs and making it known.
That's the point of feedback. Feedback isn't instantly bad if it's under 8/10
I'm the one praising the game on its merits, while simultaneously acknowledging its pitfalls, in light of the childish complaints that people keep copy-pasting from various sources into this thread and using it to form their own opinions.
1) I praised the game pages back too. It's a solid 7/10 to me. It's worse than the original, but still almost average in its own rite. If it wasn't the sequel to DA:O and its own game, maybe I would take it better
2) Stop with the Holier-Than-Thou attitude David Gaider
3) People build opinions by reading other peoples opinions and facts. I have the opinion that Bioware are a bunch of retards for insulting their fanbase and outright lying to us about the DRM policy. Is that not a valid opinion because I read about it somewhere? I agree that people need to stop copy pasting reviews and going LOLTHATSMYOPINION but taking an article and formulating an opinion around it (which is what most people are doing) is perfectly fine.
Also, making a snarky remark about not only praising the game does not equate to personal insults.
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On March 12 2011 02:23 Souljah wrote:
So everyone that thinks the game sucks is wrong because YOU think its a good game? Sorry but the majority of people agree that the game is nothing but a rush job and is put together poorly.
I think the majority of people are pissed more at the decision to for a quick release just to make a buck. We all expected a good quality game from Bioware, and instead we got a rush job. If its EA's influence, then the blame falls on them.
No, people who think the game sucks for STUPID REASONS are wrong. It has nothing to do with me thinking its a good (read: just good, not this 'superomgawesomeiwanttosuckbioware'scock persona you've childishly attached me to).
If that's the case, then simply state that and discuss it. I wouldn't have anything to respond to if people weren't making up outrageous LIES about what they choose to pick apart about the game. Worse graphics detail than DAO? That the game is too easy because they play on Normal and they refuse to try Hard or Nightmare? How they should have chosen something other than 'wow-like' targetting circles to use AOE spells? How they couldn't figure out how lockpicking works because they can't read a simple tooltip? That the decisions you make in the game have no effect on the outcome of anything?
I've seen all of the above multiple times, and they're just flat-out, factually wrong and/or utterly banal things to use as ammunition about why the game might be bad. Get rid of that kind of crap in this thread, and I'll have literally nothing left to waste my time 'being a fanboy' as you've so maturely put it.
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On March 12 2011 02:42 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:31 DJEtterStyle wrote:
I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child. This is the most fallacious way of thinking, and it's so prominent in America it's pathetic. DONT LIKE LIVING IN AMERICA? MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DONT LIKE YOU EITHER The same shit here. "Dont like our game? Dont buy it, dont talk about it, dont rate it low. Just ignore it" No, that's fucking bullshit. If you hate a game, you voice your opinion because that's how things get changed. This game was an abomination to the original in my opinion, and I am going to voice my opinion about it. Bioware wants to ban me from their forums and from playing their games? That's just even more pathetic. You dont change things by shrugging your shoulders and walking away, you do it by yelling on the top of your lungs and making it known. That's the point of feedback. Feedback isn't instantly bad if it's under 8/10 Show nested quote +I'm the one praising the game on its merits, while simultaneously acknowledging its pitfalls, in light of the childish complaints that people keep copy-pasting from various sources into this thread and using it to form their own opinions. 1) I praised the game pages back too. It's a solid 7/10 to me. It's worse than the original, but still almost average in its own rite. If it wasn't the sequel to DA:O and its own game, maybe I would take it better 2) Stop with the Holier-Than-Thou attitude David Gaider 3) People build opinions by reading other peoples opinions and facts. I have the opinion that Bioware are a bunch of retards for insulting their fanbase and outright lying to us about the DRM policy. Is that not a valid opinion because I read about it somewhere? I agree that people need to stop copy pasting reviews and going LOLTHATSMYOPINION but taking an article and formulating an opinion around it (which is what most people are doing) is perfectly fine. Also, making a snarky remark about not only praising the game does not equate to personal insults.
At what point, anywhere, did I jump on you about the DRM thing? Where am I arguing against that?
Please.
Point me to it.
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On March 12 2011 02:42 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:31 DJEtterStyle wrote:
I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child. This is the most fallacious way of thinking, and it's so prominent in America it's pathetic. DONT LIKE LIVING IN AMERICA? MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DONT LIKE YOU EITHER
If a restaurant you like changes the menu, do you scream at the cook? Do you create and distribute flyers, trying to sway other people to your side of the issue? Do you order food and send it back? Perhaps you go out front with signs and picket the establishment?
Of course not. You eat somewhere else. This isn't life or death or national identity. Get off the soapbox.
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The way that people are critizing is completely influenced by it being the successor of Dragon Age Origins and people seem to have emotional ties to the game. Without this in mind, the game is definitely worth looking into, its a good game on its own. As long as you can accept that its all cool 
Any kind of comparison to C&C4 is imo an insult to every game that can not be forgive. The development team of Bioware will hunt you down and hurt you 
P.S: Ignore this if it does not really make any sense, from grammer etc. i gave it my best.
edit: Some things were already adressed so no need for them
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On March 12 2011 02:54 DJEtterStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:42 Fruscainte wrote:On March 12 2011 02:31 DJEtterStyle wrote:
I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child. This is the most fallacious way of thinking, and it's so prominent in America it's pathetic. DONT LIKE LIVING IN AMERICA? MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DONT LIKE YOU EITHER If a restaurant you like changes the menu, do you scream at the cook? Do you create and distribute flyers, trying to sway other people to your side of the issue? Do you order food and send it back? Perhaps you go out front with signs and picket the establishment? Of course not. You eat somewhere else. This isn't life or death or national identity. Get off the soapbox.
I think it's rather understandable that people are upset. There are very few studios that still produce good RPGs. Bioware used to be the go-to studio for RPGs on the PC. They even stated that the Dragon Age series was supposed to be the spiritual successor to Baldurs gate. Of course people get upset when they expect Baldurs Gate 3 and get a game like DA2.
It's not like they can go to the next restaurant either. The Witcher 2 and Skyrim look like promising RPGs in their own right but none of them have the same tactical group battle focus that Baldurs Gate used to have and that DA:O had some degree. I would rather compare it with whining at an ISP that keeps increasing the price, lowers the download cap or blocks websites.
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I honestly feel bad for some of you guys.
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10 hours in so far and i'm enjoying it
if it keeps up the rate it's going i'll have my rating as follows:
DA1>ME1>DA2>ME2
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Casual gamer here enjoying DA2. Not the best but I find it fun to play. Little disappointed about the recycled dungeons and areas, as well as various DLCs. Above all, I'm quite worried about that SecuROM program. I guess after I play this game, I'm going to have to uninstall everything >.<.
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On March 12 2011 02:54 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 02:42 Fruscainte wrote:On March 12 2011 02:31 DJEtterStyle wrote:
I can accept that some people won't like Dragon Age II as much as Origins (to me, the sequel has improved upon the original in nearly every way), but what we're seeing is the now-typical PC gamer behavior. The sense of entitlement is just sickening. If you don't like Dragon Age II, don't buy it. You get a vote. It's called your wallet. If sales drop, BioWare will reevaluate the direction they've taken the series. Screaming on the BioWare forums or giving the game a 1/10 makes you look like a petulant child. This is the most fallacious way of thinking, and it's so prominent in America it's pathetic. DONT LIKE LIVING IN AMERICA? MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DONT LIKE YOU EITHER The same shit here. "Dont like our game? Dont buy it, dont talk about it, dont rate it low. Just ignore it" No, that's fucking bullshit. If you hate a game, you voice your opinion because that's how things get changed. This game was an abomination to the original in my opinion, and I am going to voice my opinion about it. Bioware wants to ban me from their forums and from playing their games? That's just even more pathetic. You dont change things by shrugging your shoulders and walking away, you do it by yelling on the top of your lungs and making it known. That's the point of feedback. Feedback isn't instantly bad if it's under 8/10 I'm the one praising the game on its merits, while simultaneously acknowledging its pitfalls, in light of the childish complaints that people keep copy-pasting from various sources into this thread and using it to form their own opinions. 1) I praised the game pages back too. It's a solid 7/10 to me. It's worse than the original, but still almost average in its own rite. If it wasn't the sequel to DA:O and its own game, maybe I would take it better 2) Stop with the Holier-Than-Thou attitude David Gaider 3) People build opinions by reading other peoples opinions and facts. I have the opinion that Bioware are a bunch of retards for insulting their fanbase and outright lying to us about the DRM policy. Is that not a valid opinion because I read about it somewhere? I agree that people need to stop copy pasting reviews and going LOLTHATSMYOPINION but taking an article and formulating an opinion around it (which is what most people are doing) is perfectly fine. Also, making a snarky remark about not only praising the game does not equate to personal insults. At what point, anywhere, did I jump on you about the DRM thing? Where am I arguing against that? Please. Point me to it.
Why do people nitpick at a single line of an argument that's paragraphs long and assume they've refuted the entire thing? ;-;
I'm going to be the bigger man and step down before someone gets banned from all of this.
I'll leave on this statement though, Dragon Age 2 is terrible compared with the first and if you think there is anything wrong with voicing that opinion -- you better hope you have a mental disorder to explain such level of idiocy. Now Bibdy, please know that isn't directed precisely at you before you go into a shit storm about it.
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