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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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semantics
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On March 06 2011 13:16 Phayze wrote: Played around 15 hours on my xbox360, game is not that special. It's more flashy, but it's less of a game because of the way they changed the combat system. Played DA:O and awakening on my PC but got in on 360 3 days early. IMO I wouldnt buy this and I would get it on sale a year down the line or get a used copy (used on console or steam sale) Is something else other than the combat letting you down? I thought origins combat was pretty boring and too easy later in the game. So if the combat is the only bad part of the game I'm not really worried about getting it. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
On March 07 2011 02:27 haffy wrote: Is something else other than the combat letting you down? I thought origins combat was pretty boring and too easy later in the game. So if the combat is the only bad part of the game I'm not really worried about getting it. The fast paced combat just makes it a hack and slash game. You litterally sit there mashing the a button, then pressing x y and b whenever they are off cooldown. Sure some of the abilities are flashy, but that's all they are. The whole tactical aspect of the game is completely gone. It's turned into a button masher. As far as characters go, The characters just do not feel like the characters in DA:O did, Morrigan and Allistair had some strong personalities. The characters in this game feel bland in comparison. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On March 07 2011 11:03 Phayze wrote: The fast paced combat just makes it a hack and slash game. You litterally sit there mashing the a button, then pressing x y and b whenever they are off cooldown. Sure some of the abilities are flashy, but that's all they are. The whole tactical aspect of the game is completely gone. It's turned into a button masher. As far as characters go, The characters just do not feel like the characters in DA:O did, Morrigan and Allistair had some strong personalities. The characters in this game feel bland in comparison. I might be wrong, but isn't the old combat system (tactics and everything) still completely in as an alternative? I could swear that I heard that in some interview with one of the designers. Then again, that might've been just the isometric-perspective. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
WARNING: MAJOR spoilers to the story are inside this tag. View at your own risk. This info was gathered by people cracking the game just today. + Show Spoiler + * Qunari have horns now. The only explanation to why Sten didn't have horns is "because he wanted to" * Hawke defends a Qunari invasion alluded to in DA:O, hence making him the champion * Anders is back, he is possessed by Justice who eventually goes crazy and tries to murder a child * In the demo, Flemeth told you to deliver a package to the Elves, to Merril essentially. It is a pendant that Flemeth uses to possess Merril and eventually Hawke. * Flemeth is Andraste (The Ashes were not Andraste, and if you have Oghren in your party when you do that quest, he says that the Ashes healing properties actually come from the fact that that mountain contains the largest amount of Lyrium Ore in the world.) * Maker is a 'blood dragon'. The dark city IS the Maker asleep. Flemeth reveals this in the very end. She wants to awaken the maker. Flemeth IS one of the original Magisters and also Andraste. Andraste after being enslaved was ADOPTED by the magisters of the Tevinter. She later manged to escape alive from the assault on the Dark city (the dragon; the magisters wanted to slay it) and became Andraste. * The entire plot is centered around the people losing faith in the Maker, the Chantry trying to use Hawke to get the people to believe in him again, Circle of Magi rebelling against the Chantry along with blood mages and whatnot after Elves summon their Old Gods or something on Mount Suremount * At the end, you stop the blood mages and put the Circle of Magi back under control of the Chantry in Kirkwall (yes, that quest against except it's the entire game this time) * Sex Scenes are still PG-13 dry hump scenes in granny panties There you go | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
94/100.... Still not convinced. Origin was critically acclaimed too. Maybe I am spoiled by BG2's quality, but I have a lot of reservation about this franchise. If a hardcore BG2 fan here plays the game and truly enjoys it, then we may be getting somewhere. | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
I'm definitely much more optimistic after reading that, I like that the reviewer seemed to get that Origin's story was severely lacking and claims that this version does a much better job. I think the combat is going to have some issues but if the storyline is epic and well done then I'll be content to drop $60 and a few different play throughs on it. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51722 Posts
On March 07 2011 11:27 Fruscainte wrote: Going to give some spoilers to the game, if anyone is interested in saving their money on a game that completely retconn's everything about it. WARNING: MAJOR spoilers to the story are inside this tag. View at your own risk. This info was gathered by people cracking the game just today. + Show Spoiler + * Qunari have horns now. The only explanation to why Sten didn't have horns is "because he wanted to" * Hawke defends a Qunari invasion alluded to in DA:O, hence making him the champion * Anders is back, he is possessed by Justice who eventually goes crazy and tries to murder a child * In the demo, Flemeth told you to deliver a package to the Elves, to Merril essentially. It is a pendant that Flemeth uses to possess Merril and eventually Hawke. * Flemeth is Andraste (The Ashes were not Andraste, and if you have Oghren in your party when you do that quest, he says that the Ashes healing properties actually come from the fact that that mountain contains the largest amount of Lyrium Ore in the world.) * Maker is a 'blood dragon'. The dark city IS the Maker asleep. Flemeth reveals this in the very end. She wants to awaken the maker. Flemeth IS one of the original Magisters and also Andraste. Andraste after being enslaved was ADOPTED by the magisters of the Tevinter. She later manged to escape alive from the assault on the Dark city (the dragon; the magisters wanted to slay it) and became Andraste. * The entire plot is centered around the people losing faith in the Maker, the Chantry trying to use Hawke to get the people to believe in him again, Circle of Magi rebelling against the Chantry along with blood mages and whatnot after Elves summon their Old Gods or something on Mount Suremount * At the end, you stop the blood mages and put the Circle of Magi back under control of the Chantry in Kirkwall (yes, that quest against except it's the entire game this time) * Sex Scenes are still PG-13 dry hump scenes in granny panties There you go but all in all,did you enjoy it? | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
I haven't played it yet, watching streams of people playing it. So far from the ~11 people I know that played it, they give it a 2/10 to a 6/10. They all were big DA:O fans, mind you. The game just retconns so many accepted facts, pulls to much bullshit (I mean, read the shit I posted. It's no exaggeration, it goes that fucking far and stupid) and the dialogue wheel is terribad. The ending is so open ended, it's begging for a paid expansion or DA:3 so they can milk this cash cow more. Combat is also confirmed hack n' slash on everything except Nightmare. Watches a stream of a guy playing on Hard and just spamming a couple attacks on his rogue and maybe a mana potion here or there. Never dropped under 30% health in fights. | ||
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Airship
United States465 Posts
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Sitinte
United States499 Posts
On March 07 2011 11:27 Fruscainte wrote: Going to give some spoilers to the game, if anyone is interested in saving their money on a game that completely retconn's everything about it. WARNING: MAJOR spoilers to the story are inside this tag. View at your own risk. This info was gathered by people cracking the game just today. + Show Spoiler + * Qunari have horns now. The only explanation to why Sten didn't have horns is "because he wanted to" * Hawke defends a Qunari invasion alluded to in DA:O, hence making him the champion * Anders is back, he is possessed by Justice who eventually goes crazy and tries to murder a child * In the demo, Flemeth told you to deliver a package to the Elves, to Merril essentially. It is a pendant that Flemeth uses to possess Merril and eventually Hawke. * Flemeth is Andraste (The Ashes were not Andraste, and if you have Oghren in your party when you do that quest, he says that the Ashes healing properties actually come from the fact that that mountain contains the largest amount of Lyrium Ore in the world.) * Maker is a 'blood dragon'. The dark city IS the Maker asleep. Flemeth reveals this in the very end. She wants to awaken the maker. Flemeth IS one of the original Magisters and also Andraste. Andraste after being enslaved was ADOPTED by the magisters of the Tevinter. She later manged to escape alive from the assault on the Dark city (the dragon; the magisters wanted to slay it) and became Andraste. * The entire plot is centered around the people losing faith in the Maker, the Chantry trying to use Hawke to get the people to believe in him again, Circle of Magi rebelling against the Chantry along with blood mages and whatnot after Elves summon their Old Gods or something on Mount Suremount * At the end, you stop the blood mages and put the Circle of Magi back under control of the Chantry in Kirkwall (yes, that quest against except it's the entire game this time) * Sex Scenes are still PG-13 dry hump scenes in granny panties There you go A couple of corrections on the spoilers. They're still HUGE spoilers, so again, I advise against anyone not wanting the game spoiled for them. And most of the spoilers you posted aren't even major retcons except for Flemeth's; even then, they shrouded her in complete mystery, just so that they can tack on stuff additional stuff as they go down the line. + Show Spoiler + -The qunari horn issue is old now. They expanded on this by saying that MOST qunari are born with horns; there are special cases like Sten who are born without horns, like a genetic defect and given special positions. And then there are outcasts (the mercenaries) who abandon the Qun and cut off their horns. -If you think Anders is crazy because of that, then I don't know what you'd say to the fact that he assassinates the Grand Cleric and blows up the entire Chantry building with magic. -Not sure about this one, but I don't think that was the qunari invasion that Sten alluded to. The one he seems to allude to seems like a full blown invasion as opposed to a number of the vanguard stranded in Kirkwall. From what I've read, it seems like they're more on a mission to recover an item that ties in with Isabella's missions. Edit: Please don't tell me you got your stuff from RPGCodex. I can't take it seriously if it was. No offense. I can accept the Flemeth issue because like NPCs in DA:O have said, no one really knows anything about Flemeth, even if you managed to attain Flemeth's grimoire in Morrigan's personal quest. From what I've heard from people who played it already (not as many as 11, but a fair amount), the story is far darker and they don't like the choices you have to make. There is no middle ground and if there is, it's not often and you're going to end up regretting more than if you take a firm stance. And the reviews were mixed; most gave it higher scores, whereas 2 of them were the ones who hated any sort of change whatsoever. | ||
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PJFrylar
United States350 Posts
On March 07 2011 12:56 dukethegold wrote: 94/100.... Still not convinced. Origin was critically acclaimed too. Maybe I am spoiled by BG2's quality, but I have a lot of reservation about this franchise. If a hardcore BG2 fan here plays the game and truly enjoys it, then we may be getting somewhere. I'll let you know what I think about it when I play it. Do be warned that while BG2 is one of my 2 favorite (along with BW) games of all time; I did also enjoy DAO. So if you didn't particularily like DAO our opinions probably won't be synced on DA2. For reference DAO was like a B+ (high 80s) for me. | ||
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Reno(TE)
United Kingdom434 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3434 Posts
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
demo was so disappointing. weird ... well cant say that i wouldnt like it to be an excellent game. loved da1. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On March 08 2011 02:32 FireBearHero wrote: I'll let you know what I think about it when I play it. Do be warned that while BG2 is one of my 2 favorite (along with BW) games of all time; I did also enjoy DAO. So if you didn't particularily like DAO our opinions probably won't be synced on DA2. For reference DAO was like a B+ (high 80s) for me. I would rate it 7/10 at best. I actually really enjoyed DAO at the beginning. The openness of Korcari Wilds was very promising. I left the game unfinished once I realized how repetitive and linear the game actually is. Korcari Wilds is actually the best map in the entire freaking game. I felt like playing a game that tries to mimic BG2, except inferior in every single aspect except the graphics. I had this sense of freedom in BG2, eager for the next unknown challenge. With DAO, I felt like I was being dragged through the game on a leash, progressing only to where the developers intended. Btw, B+ means high 70s, not high 80s. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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PJFrylar
United States350 Posts
On March 08 2011 04:40 dukethegold wrote: I would rate it 7/10 at best. I actually really enjoyed DAO at the beginning. The openness of Korcari Wilds was very promising. I left the game unfinished once I realized how repetitive and linear the game actually is. Korcari Wilds is actually the best map in the entire freaking game. I felt like playing a game that tries to mimic BG2, except inferior in every single aspect except the graphics. Yeah I honestly was starting to grow a little tired of that at the end. There were some especially repetitive parts where it felt like you were doing the same encounter again, except they did something like take add an archer and take away a melee guy. Now that I'm starting to remember aspects like that a B+ is a little bit generous, probably more like a B/B- range. There was also other annoying aspects like the ranger bear summon (while pretty awesome at high levels) was frustrating to use in locations with doorways, because he couldn't fit through them lol. | ||
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