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Dilfer is such a twat.
"if I am this talented I can beat you with my arm, i dont need that leg'
Why is there a man whose geatest accompishment as an NFL QB was that he didn't throw away the 2000 SB telling anyone about anything about skill, talent and guts in the NFL?
Your arm strength matters a whole lot when you can't plant properly. Then again, it's understandable why Trent wouldn't get why having a knee injury might be a tad bit detrimental to even the most immobile of quarterbacks.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 25 2011 15:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 07:59 Hawk wrote:
is it a sprain or a tear?? I mean, you could feasibly be rendered unable to play with either. Also, the dude was getting hammered all day because of that shit line. He already takes risks as is, so you'd have to think a gimped Cutler is a sitting duck back there. This is a huge problem with the general public receiving medical news. By definition, a sprain is a tear. I haven't caught up on the thread yet, but people need to inform themselves better. A third degree sprain is a complete tear/separation of the ligament. A first and second degree are partial tears, with the second being worse than the first, of course. People also fail to take into account that the guy runs for his life on 3/4ths of the plays; this isn't like Rivers' knee injury where he got to sit in the pocket for 3/4ths of the plays. This guy has to move. Would people question Vick coming out with a knee sprain? No, because half of his game is running. Half of Cutler's game is running away from DLinemen that his OLinemen were too incompetent to block. Furthermore, none of this is even a discussion if A) Todd Collins is never in the game; B) the refs don't call complete bullshit penalties two plays in a row, taking time away from the game, and miss a blatant facemask against the Bears; C) Lovie doesn't call another ill-advised time out on what was an absolutely brilliant play call (counter draw), then come back with the worst third down call I've seen in my life, given the situation (you don't run an end around on 3rd & 2 with the NFC Championship on the line. Save that bullshit for the preseason); D) had Hannie shown a bit more discretion when he threw the pick to Raji (though, hats off to Hannie for an otherwise brilliant performance, given the situation he was put in). Why? Because the Bears probably would have won or tied the game then. That counter-draw could have gone for a TD; the Packers' D pursued heavily to the right. It was easily a first down, and with one one guy to beat, really, it could have been a much longer gain. Still, we'll never know what could have happened, only what did. Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 08:45 Souma wrote:
Guys, did SweeTLemonS kill himself or something? Haven't heard from him since! No, and to be honest, I wasn't even mad at the end of the game. I was pissed off after that stupid third down call I mentioned already, but pretty much all my anger is/was about that play. There's nothing that can be done to change what happened, so fuck it. It was a great game either way. And honestly, the second Bears score was easily a top 5 experience of my life. I wish everyone could feel the energy that was in that stadium in those moments. It was surreal as Hannie hit Knox for a 35 yard pass, just to watch Taylor walk in to the end zone two plays (? I think two plays) later. The difference between seeing that on TV and being in the stadium in that moment is indescribable. I wish I could package it and give it to other people so that you could understand. But to share in that jubilation with 50,000 (rough guess, there were a lot of Packers fans, who were all pretty nice about the whole thing, at least by me) other people, screaming at the top of your lungs. . . then the defense clamped down for several drives after that. The emotional highs and lows of that game were unreal. I'm not happy that they lost, but the experience as a whole was worth every second of it, even though it ended bitterly. I wish I could write out the words to describe that feeling to you guys, but I can't. It was like falling in love for the first time, almost. . . just completely surreal. The game didn't end in anger, though; it was just emptiness. Those guys gave it everything they had, absolutely everything was left on the field. Aside from them hoisting the Halas trophy like every Bears fan dreamed, there is nothing more that anyone could reasonably want from the players. They did everything they could to win it, and they came up short. It sucks, and it was sad to witness a group of people play their hearts out to come so close and fail, but all that could be done was done from the players. . . The coaches? They have some 'splainin to do.
Well, I wasn't really surprised when Martz called an end around. One of my coworkers is a big Rams fan so I expected that call from him. He has a tendency to call trick plays close to the goal line that just bomb spectacularly. If anything, I was surprised it wasn't a reverse or double reverse.
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Honestly, the Bears should have just punted on every third down in that game.
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On January 25 2011 05:16 Shindou wrote:
It has nothing to do with his manliness you asked me when did he act like a mopey bitch, i was guessing spygate 2 was why you said mcdaniels is an idiot. It's a coaching style that obviously didn't work. It doesn't mean that cutler acted like any more or any less of a baby about the situation. Mcdaniels is a very accomplished QB coach too
Drafting Tebow and that WR over Dez Bryant are why McDaniels is an idiot. I really didn't think anyone would try to disagree with that point.
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He also gave away Peyton Hillis and multiple draft picks for Brady Quinn...
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On January 26 2011 03:02 DannyJ wrote:
He also gave away Peyton Hillis and multiple draft picks for Brady Quinn...
Thanks, there was also that. How anyone could still question who the cunt was in that situation is beyond me. McDipshit sent away more probowl level talent than any coach in the history of the league. It will take five years to reverse the damage he did in two.
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At least they got Knowshon Mor--*shot*
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On January 26 2011 02:59 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 05:16 Shindou wrote:
It has nothing to do with his manliness you asked me when did he act like a mopey bitch, i was guessing spygate 2 was why you said mcdaniels is an idiot. It's a coaching style that obviously didn't work. It doesn't mean that cutler acted like any more or any less of a baby about the situation. Mcdaniels is a very accomplished QB coach too Drafting Tebow and that WR over Dez Bryant are why McDaniels is an idiot. I really didn't think anyone would try to disagree with that point.
Well that's not my point. Cutler handling the situation in Denver like a bitch was. It doesn't matter what degree of a tear, how good he is or anything like that, when you have that kinda history on top of his demeanor the media's going to eat you up. It's not a matter of being right or wrong that's juts how it is. You can't turn away from reporters and start to cry bc you find out that people you probably don't like in the first place are talking shit on you. dude needs to grow up
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On January 25 2011 16:52 Souma wrote:Welcome back. Show nested quote +And honestly, the second Bears score was easily a top 5 experience of my life. I wish everyone could feel the energy that was in that stadium in those moments. It was surreal as Hannie hit Knox for a 35 yard pass, just to watch Taylor walk in to the end zone two plays (? I think two plays) later. The difference between seeing that on TV and being in the stadium in that moment is indescribable. I wish I could package it and give it to other people so that you could understand. But to share in that jubilation with 50,000 (rough guess, there were a lot of Packers fans, who were all pretty nice about the whole thing, at least by me) other people, screaming at the top of your lungs. . . then the defense clamped down for several drives after that. The emotional highs and lows of that game were unreal. I'm not happy that they lost, but the experience as a whole was worth every second of it, even though it ended bitterly. I wish I could write out the words to describe that feeling to you guys, but I can't. It was like falling in love for the first time, almost. . . just completely surreal. I kinda know the feeling. I was at Qualcomm Stadium when the Chargers played against the Bengals last season and Kaeding kicked in the winning field goal at the very end. It was incredible. If that happened in a Championship game, I could only imagine.
Yeah, so you can understand the feelings though. It was surreal.
On January 25 2011 23:38 Hawk wrote:
yeah this thing is so hilariously overhyped haha
sl, you went to the game?? thats sweet. sucks they lost though.
Yeah, it did suck. The worst part was the masses of ignorant fans that were bitching about Cutler not playing, and then burning his jersey in the parking lot. Good use of $80+, idiots.
It is kind of. . . what's the word? Where you're supporting the main competitor of something that draws money to your job? Conflict of interest maybe? I can't think of the word I want to use, but there was, seemingly, a legitimate reason behind it (I'm sure it had more to do with bitterness though).
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On January 26 2011 02:59 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 05:16 Shindou wrote:
It has nothing to do with his manliness you asked me when did he act like a mopey bitch, i was guessing spygate 2 was why you said mcdaniels is an idiot. It's a coaching style that obviously didn't work. It doesn't mean that cutler acted like any more or any less of a baby about the situation. Mcdaniels is a very accomplished QB coach too Drafting Tebow and that WR over Dez Bryant are why McDaniels is an idiot. I really didn't think anyone would try to disagree with that point.
They did rob Chicago in the Cutler trade. Of course, McDaniels ended up wasting all the extra picks they ended up getting. Cutler did act like a bitch towards the owner during the process, though, which was what pushed him to finally agree to trade Cutler.
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It's hard to call it a robbery until we see the end result of the Cutler era in Chicago. What if Cutler fixes his mechanical issues with Martz over the next two years, and he wins two rings in Chicago? Was it still a robbery? I don't particularly think that will happen (two rings, though I think he will fix the mechanical issues, because we've seen steady improvement under Martz throughout the year), but it's possible.
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On January 26 2011 03:16 Shindou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 02:59 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 25 2011 05:16 Shindou wrote:
It has nothing to do with his manliness you asked me when did he act like a mopey bitch, i was guessing spygate 2 was why you said mcdaniels is an idiot. It's a coaching style that obviously didn't work. It doesn't mean that cutler acted like any more or any less of a baby about the situation. Mcdaniels is a very accomplished QB coach too Drafting Tebow and that WR over Dez Bryant are why McDaniels is an idiot. I really didn't think anyone would try to disagree with that point. Well that's not my point. Cutler handling the situation in Denver like a bitch was. It doesn't matter what degree of a tear, how good he is or anything like that, when you have that kinda history on top of his demeanor the media's going to eat you up. It's not a matter of being right or wrong that's juts how it is. You can't turn away from reporters and start to cry bc you find out that people you probably don't like in the first place are talking shit on you. dude needs to grow up
Yesterday, you were arguing that you knew he was a little lyin bitch because of how he acted there.
And furthermore, I still can't believe that he gets the rep as the asshole from that. Guys, how would you like it if your old boss was fired, the new boss is just a few years older than you and a superior despite having absolutely no experience in that position and little other relevant experience. He knows absolutely nothing about your place of business, you are an on the rise star and unquestioned leader of the team, and the new guy wants to bring in his guy from elsewhere (who also had less experience than you)
The dude was every bit right in forcing the hand there if the Denver owners were dumb enough to allow that guy to come in and to do that.
I think the main reason I hate Bill Bellichek is that he's spawn a legion of coat tail riding hacks like McDaniels, Mangini, Cromel, Weiss and others who should never be allowed out of the playcalling booth. Every one of those twats got hailed as a savior without any prior experience.
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Go read the posts over again. I never said I doubted his injury I said the media criticism was warranted because of the way he acts, and it's the media's job to be annoying like that. They don't have to be right - they have to speculate and ask antagonizing questions to get results. You were comparing Cutler's situation to Eli Manning which I said was wrong, and when I brought up the Denver Mcdaniels fued you said "Go find me three other instances outside of Denver but don't include that because josh mcdaniels is dumb" I never disagreed with him being dumb. The situation is relevant - Mcdaniels or not.
Sure anyone would be upset about the situation but you're getting paid millions to be a professional athlete. Read what he had to say to reporters afterwards. The whole reason he was upset was because Mcdaniels didn't tell him he was his #1 choice, originally he'd rather have cassel. Bc he didn't get a 5 year olds reassurance that he was their #1 QB forever and ever and ever he continued crying to the media then asked for a trade.
Really, I don't care about McDaniels or whatever injury Cutler suffered - the degree, the play, how many plays he played while injured before coming out. All of that is besides the point
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Also a lot of what you're throwing around about the coaches is pretty dumb. There are a lot of really good coordinators who don't pan out to be good/great coaches. Doesn't mean they can't be a position coach or coordinator.
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On January 26 2011 04:29 Shindou wrote:
Go read the posts over again. I never said I doubted his injury I said the media criticism was warranted because of the way he acts, and it's the media's job to be annoying like that. They don't have to be right - they have to speculate and ask antagonizing questions to get results. You were comparing Cutler's situation to Eli Manning which I said was wrong, and when I brought up the Denver Mcdaniels fued you said "Go find me three other instances outside of Denver but don't include that because josh mcdaniels is dumb" I never disagreed with him being dumb. The situation is relevant - Mcdaniels or not.
Sure anyone would be upset about the situation but you're getting paid millions to be a professional athlete. Read what he had to say to reporters afterwards. The whole reason he was upset was because Mcdaniels didn't tell him he was his #1 choice, originally he'd rather have cassel. Bc he didn't get a 5 year olds reassurance that he was their #1 QB forever and ever and ever he continued crying to the media then asked for a trade.
Really, I don't care about McDaniels or whatever injury Cutler suffered - the degree, the play, how many plays he played while injured before coming out. All of that is besides the point
Cutler didn't go to the media, though. He did it all behind closed doors, but seeing as how he was an up and coming super star, it was kind of a big deal that he was demanding a trade. There were sources saying that he wasn't returning calls of people, but Cutler didn't go to the media and bitch. A guy that responds to the media in the way he does wouldn't go to the media in that situation.
People dislike him because they want to get to know athletes on a "personal" level, and Cutler won't allow for that. People think they know who Manning, Brady, etc, are because of their actions in press conferences. Maybe that's the more "professional" way to act, to uphold a particular image like that, but it's only done for the moronic masses who care more about the players than the game. It's done for people who typically don't really understand what they watch happen on the field, they just like that guys run fast and hit hard.
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On January 26 2011 04:45 Shindou wrote:
Also a lot of what you're throwing around about the coaches is pretty dumb. There are a lot of really good coordinators who don't pan out to be good/great coaches. Doesn't mean they can't be a position coach or coordinator.
Of course they can. McDipshit is a dip shit because of the personnel moves he made. He's a good OC, but he has no business being anywhere near a HC/GM position. Not at this point in his career. He was in way over his head, honestly. The Broncos were stupid for hiring him, when there was a much better alternative in Spagnuola, though.
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http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/16/798798/jay-cutler-asks-for-trade
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11529663/rss
Other stuff in the article aside, it was pretty documented that Cutler wouldn't talk to McDaniels for a while, and whenever he did he needed Bus Cook to be there. When he finally wanted a trade, he had Bus Cook call it in. Was he in the media the whole time? no - I never said that. But when he told them what happened it boiled down to "They didn't tell me I was their number 1 QB and I'm upset." It's not about being Brady or Manning - it's about handling situations. Then he only had one good season, and since then the only thing he's done is beaten the Seahawks. I think it's pretty annoying to any fb fan to have to hear about a young unaccomplished "rising star" get butthurt BC a coach wanted someone else originally and handle it the way he did. It just adds to what happened over the weekend.
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On January 26 2011 05:04 Shindou wrote:http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/16/798798/jay-cutler-asks-for-tradehttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11529663/rssOther stuff in the article aside, it was pretty documented that Cutler wouldn't talk to McDaniels for a while, and whenever he did he needed Bus Cook to be there. When he finally wanted a trade, he had Bus Cook call it in. Was he in the media the whole time? no - I never said that. But when he told them what happened it boiled down to "They didn't tell me I was their number 1 QB and I'm upset." It's not about being Brady or Manning - it's about handling situations. Then he only had one good season, and since then the only thing he's done is beaten the Seahawks. I think it's pretty annoying to any fb fan to have to hear about a young unaccomplished "rising star" get butthurt BC a coach wanted someone else originally and handle it the way he did. It just adds to what happened over the weekend.
Actually, that's almost exactly what you said:
Sure anyone would be upset about the situation but you're getting paid millions to be a professional athlete. Read what he had to say to reporters afterwards. The whole reason he was upset was because Mcdaniels didn't tell him he was his #1 choice, originally he'd rather have cassel. Bc he didn't get a 5 year olds reassurance that he was their #1 QB forever and ever and ever he continued crying to the media then asked for a trade.
I saw no problem with what he did. I saw no problem with what Favre did. I also saw no problem with what Eli, and John Elway before him, did (bitching their ways out of a team they hadn't taken a snap for). It actually made perfect sense to me that a guy would not want to be a part of a team after essentially being told "you're expendable, we may trade you at any time if the right offer comes along." You're only looking at it from one perspective, I think, and that seems to be the issue here. You're not seeing it from the player's perspective, and you're under the impression that money cures the situation. The thing is, money doesn't cure the situation. It's the same while making $9 million as it is while making $80 thousand. If you don't feel wanted at your job, you leave. The thing is, to leave an NFL team while, there's only two routes: retire, or get traded. He wasn't ready to retire, and they weren't going to trade him at first, so, he did the only thing he could do to get his way: he made it uncomfortable for the team.
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