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On January 25 2011 03:26 Roffles wrote:
I know that's his normal face, which is also part of the reason why a lotta people and media hate him, simply cause his typical demeanor is "Yeah, don't give a fuck really". So when something like this occurs, it gets blown outta proportion because he's already got a pretty poor name to his credit.
He might be the greatest teammate, the greatest person. But we won't ever know because his media reputation is simply pathetic, and that's all we ever hear about really.
Most players with media problems have really brought it upon themselves. While the media sometimes is unfair and stupid (see Derek Anderson laugh-gate), it's not like sports journalists are the most serious of journalists. It doesn't take advanced social skills to humor them from time to time. As an employee in the entertainment business, it's part of an athlete's job to do interviews properly.
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On January 25 2011 02:43 Southlight wrote:
I think what set people off isn't the degree of his injury, it's that he was standing on the sidelines, when players like McNabb go out on one leg (dude had a broken leg!) and will their team to victory.
Obviously the majority of us don't know what went on with the trainers, nor am I going to pass judgement on how much pain tolerance/playing through a severe injury players need to do in critical game. Especially considering something like that can be career-ending if you overdo it.
But what would standing have to do with anything?? There's tons of injuries that you can have happen to you leg that would render you unplayable but certainly capable of standing. Unless those tendons are completely severed, yeah, you can most certainly stand. You'll just have no structural support at all and your knee could completely buckle at any time.
There's a big difference between an injury that just really hurts, and an injury that prevents you from doing any kind of athletic movements.
He could be standing and walking around because he's trying to convince himself that he can go out and man up. Or to keep the blood flowing because injuries tend to hurt a lot worse once the adrenaline wears off. who knows.
i dunno, i just feel this whole thing is stupid. If it's not near a joint, a fracture can just hurt really bad but be totally playable. This wasn't. River's ACL tear, it's a case by case basis. It all depends where the tear is and how severe.
And I agree with athletes often bringing it upon themselves, but as far as I know, Cutler has been rude or shitty with reporters. It's the same thing that dogs Eli Manning. He has a mopey face. People don't like it. But neither did anything to merit the allegations that they don't care or whatever.
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The eli manning and jay cutler thing doesn't work. everyone's known that cutler's been a dick to teamates and coaches in the past. eli manning looks kinda dumb and makes pretty dumb plays. maybe cutler did suffer a pretty bad injury, but nobody's going to care about that when you sit on the sidelines with a puss face instead of interacting with your teamates n being encouraging and you are playing bad. I don't think martz's offense is a good fit for cutler but its a simple case of if he made some kinda effort to give a shit and/or was good, nobody would be complaining.
Instead when reporters told him other players in the league were making fun of him on twitter he started to tear up. Sweet QB.
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On January 25 2011 03:43 Hawk wrote:
But what would standing have to do with anything??
According to the content of many of the twitters that I checked up on after I saw the article, everything. Most of them appeared to have seen the standing on the sideline and gone WTF. Hence why I mentioned it.
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Please name me three instances where Cutler has publicly acted like a mopey bitch. And don't count the crying thing (happend after the event) or the McDaniels bit, since McDaniels is a fucking idiot that proved he has no idea what he's doing. Or any of the stuff that was revealed today in that yahoo column.
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The entire mcdaniels situation was evidence of that, but because of spygate 2 we're going to discount anything that went down there? Read what cutler had to say about it afterwards, he acted like a complete crybaby bitch. Aside from everything leading up to him sitting down to talk to mcdaniels he had to have bus cook come in with him.
My point is beside him actually being hurt or not. Idk what actually happened to him yet. All the media criticism is avoidable and Cutler brings it on himself
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what does that have anything to do with his manliness in playing or not??? and what the hell are you talking about spygate?
and furthermore, he has every right to get pissed at mcdaniels for that. a 35 year old dipshit coach with no real accomplishments runs the show like he commands the respect of a Parcells and tries to dump a proven commodity for one that had demonstrated hardly anything in one year?
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Hawk, here's another way of summarizing what I (personally) feel, and what I think caused the uproar and put a spotlight on where Cutler is now:
A lineman who played more than a dozen years and won multiple Super Bowls told me after the game that he was stunned Cutler was standing on the sideline, not on crutches, receiving no treatment while his team played on. And, the player said, what made it worse was that Cutler didn't appear to be counseling his backup, Todd Collins, or Hanie. And this all came on the heels of Mike Martz telling ESPNChicago.com's Jon Greenberg that criticism of Cutler's fundamentals, specifically his footwork, is "fair... You can't go through a lifetime with those kinds of habits and fix them in one season." Martz revealed that Cutler is still doing footwork drills twice a week, every week, and said the quarterback is working "diligently" and that "he'll get there."
But we don't hear those Peyton Manning-like stories about Cutler, how he comes early to practice and stays late and works systematically and demonically at getting better. What we hear, even from teammates in both Denver and Chicago, is that Cutler is an arrogant, pouting player who rates himself quite highly. It's a characterization that is believed totally throughout the league, through almost any pro football circle you wander into. And because it's believed wholly that Cutler is a guy with a big arm, an overrated sense of himself and little if any heart, precious few people in Cutler's own fraternity had any sympathy for him during the game.
It's not really an excuse either way for the ridiculous bashing and such, but he's obviously not liked, whether you want to chalk it up to his constantly grim facade or not. And there're reasons for it beyond his face.
Edit:
Whoops, bad phrasing. I meant "you" as in a collective "you" toward the people whom were saying his attitude was just a misconception based on his looks, not you, Hawk, personally. I don't even remember if you were actually bringing that up, so yeah, sorry.
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It has nothing to do with his manliness you asked me when did he act like a mopey bitch, i was guessing spygate 2 was why you said mcdaniels is an idiot. It's a coaching style that obviously didn't work. It doesn't mean that cutler acted like any more or any less of a baby about the situation. Mcdaniels is a very accomplished QB coach too
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On January 25 2011 05:14 Southlight wrote:Hawk, here's another way of summarizing what I (personally) feel, and what I think caused the uproar and put a spotlight on where Cutler is now: Show nested quote +A lineman who played more than a dozen years and won multiple Super Bowls told me after the game that he was stunned Cutler was standing on the sideline, not on crutches, receiving no treatment while his team played on. And, the player said, what made it worse was that Cutler didn't appear to be counseling his backup, Todd Collins, or Hanie. And this all came on the heels of Mike Martz telling ESPNChicago.com's Jon Greenberg that criticism of Cutler's fundamentals, specifically his footwork, is "fair... You can't go through a lifetime with those kinds of habits and fix them in one season." Martz revealed that Cutler is still doing footwork drills twice a week, every week, and said the quarterback is working "diligently" and that "he'll get there."
But we don't hear those Peyton Manning-like stories about Cutler, how he comes early to practice and stays late and works systematically and demonically at getting better. What we hear, even from teammates in both Denver and Chicago, is that Cutler is an arrogant, pouting player who rates himself quite highly. It's a characterization that is believed totally throughout the league, through almost any pro football circle you wander into. And because it's believed wholly that Cutler is a guy with a big arm, an overrated sense of himself and little if any heart, precious few people in Cutler's own fraternity had any sympathy for him during the game. It's not really an excuse either way for the ridiculous bashing and such, but he's obviously not liked, whether you want to chalk it up to his constantly grim facade or not. And there're reasons for it beyond his face. Edit: Whoops, bad phrasing. I meant "you" as in a collective "you" toward the people whom were saying his attitude was just a misconception based on his looks, not you, Hawk, personally. I don't even remember if you were actually bringing that up, so yeah, sorry.
Yes, he's kind of a jerk, and he looks like a jerk. Neither of those things excuse all the crap people have been slinging at him. Who cares what an anonymous NFL lineman thinks about Cutler's injury when he has zero information on the situation besides the 2-3 seconds when FOX decided to show him whenever something went wrong. People just sense an easy target and kick them while they're down.
Also, great job on the part of the FOX sideline reporter. They spend the entire game relaying useless information they've had prepared since before the game, and the one time they could actually be of use, they provide zero additional information on Cutler.
Also also, no one would give a shit if he was a jerk that won the game. Chicagoans should be upset by how awful he was in the first two quarters, not that he "wasn't helping the backup quarterbacks".
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The Bears themselves disclosed zero information, even in the press conference after the game. The hell you think a sideline reporter's gonna do that even a press conference couldn't?
What's more interesting is that every Bears player seemed to know the MCL was screwed, and said so in the locker room to reporters afterwards, yet there was no announcement by the Bears until this afternoon.
Bears' organization's protection of their QB:
as good as their offensive line.
Edit:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/01/23/packers.bears/index.html
The quotes about the MCL post-game from the locker room.
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On January 25 2011 05:14 Southlight wrote:Hawk, here's another way of summarizing what I (personally) feel, and what I think caused the uproar and put a spotlight on where Cutler is now: Show nested quote +A lineman who played more than a dozen years and won multiple Super Bowls told me after the game that he was stunned Cutler was standing on the sideline, not on crutches, receiving no treatment while his team played on. And, the player said, what made it worse was that Cutler didn't appear to be counseling his backup, Todd Collins, or Hanie. And this all came on the heels of Mike Martz telling ESPNChicago.com's Jon Greenberg that criticism of Cutler's fundamentals, specifically his footwork, is "fair... You can't go through a lifetime with those kinds of habits and fix them in one season." Martz revealed that Cutler is still doing footwork drills twice a week, every week, and said the quarterback is working "diligently" and that "he'll get there."
But we don't hear those Peyton Manning-like stories about Cutler, how he comes early to practice and stays late and works systematically and demonically at getting better. What we hear, even from teammates in both Denver and Chicago, is that Cutler is an arrogant, pouting player who rates himself quite highly. It's a characterization that is believed totally throughout the league, through almost any pro football circle you wander into. And because it's believed wholly that Cutler is a guy with a big arm, an overrated sense of himself and little if any heart, precious few people in Cutler's own fraternity had any sympathy for him during the game. It's not really an excuse either way for the ridiculous bashing and such, but he's obviously not liked, whether you want to chalk it up to his constantly grim facade or not. And there're reasons for it beyond his face. Edit: Whoops, bad phrasing. I meant "you" as in a collective "you" toward the people whom were saying his attitude was just a misconception based on his looks, not you, Hawk, personally. I don't even remember if you were actually bringing that up, so yeah, sorry.
The only thing that I think is dumb is that he didn't immediately toss on a headset after it became apparent he wasn't going in or going to receive further treatment. If there's anyway he can help there, he should.
But if some hulking meathead needs to have visual evidence in crutches to prove that the injury is so severe, that's his own shortcoming. Football players ain't revered for their brains, so I wouldn't exactly take what a football player is saying about anatomy to heart. You can walk with a partial tear in a tendon. You just have no mobility or support at all, which makes you useless on the field. If you can't plant, it fucks everything.
I don't know, I'd put a lot more stock in the accounts about him not having heart if they were from named former or current players, not dipshits who have never played a down with him.
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On January 25 2011 05:47 Hawk wrote:
I don't know, I'd put a lot more stock in the accounts about him not having heart if they were from named former or current players, not dipshits who have never played a down with him.
You mean people who played with him, I think, because a lot of active players heaped shit  I don't remember previous Bears' rosters so I can't really tell you which if any of the folks that whacked him had played with him previously.
I agree, I think it was premature and bizarre, I was just explaining that the "wow he's not really hurt" was the standing-without-crutches part. Derrick Brooks instantly referenced Phillip Rivers' ACL game, and when I saw the article this morning I thought of Donovan McNabb. I can kind of understand the sentiment borne out of "standing without crutches," and I'm just trying to get you to understand that while it was uncalled for, his reputation didn't do him any favors when it came to people jumping to the conclusion that he'd quit on the team, much the way people did with Vince Young. His visual attitude obviously didn't help, and it was further compounded by the Bears simply announcing that he was "questionable" and then skirting the issue of his injury when asked about it in the press conference. C'mon, if your whole team figured it was an MCL issue is it really that difficult to disclose that you think it's an MCL issue? Hence my previous post.
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Yeah, but no ex or current guys actually put their names on those comments, right?? Not like Jay could beat up a fat, angry lineman, but still. Be a man.
And yeah, I understand why people jumped to that conclusion. I'm saying the rep he has seems to lack merit. perception doesn't always = reality though, so that's how we are where we at. I still think even that if he was such a huge, gutless cocksucker, it still would be stupid to assume that he's being a pussy there, simply because of the financial implications there too.
But yeah, the Bears are a terrible organization anyway, so that doesn't surprise me. Ignore it during the game for strategic reasons, but after, it should be damage control.
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If anyone is saying he's a pussy just because they have a personal thing against them, those people are best ignored. I'd love to see all these people (especially all these stupid-ass fans) go tear their MCL then go try not to get sacked by Clay Matthews in the fucking cold.
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The situation reminds me of the AFC championship game (I think) where LT sat out, similarly to how Cutler did, where he didn't appear to have an actual injury
Then again, real quarterbacks break their ankles, and then proceed to have their best game of the season (re: donovon mcnabb)
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HAHAHAHHAHAHA
god i would love that
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jay cutler story is typical e(spn)-drama.
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