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On September 24 2014 14:02 Cascade wrote:
A few posters on the EU forums are talking about trial nerfs. Is that also just normal whine, or is it actually a big difference? Blizzards description of those changes is very vague.
"The Rift of Trials has received numerous adjustments in an effort to more accurately assess an appropriate level of Greater Rift"
it is noticeable for high grifts
you have to get like a 37key then grind out a bunch of rifts in succession to get into 40+.
it's a change that should not have been included while the season is ongoing
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Caldeum1977 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:21 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 14:02 Cascade wrote:
A few posters on the EU forums are talking about trial nerfs. Is that also just normal whine, or is it actually a big difference? Blizzards description of those changes is very vague.
"The Rift of Trials has received numerous adjustments in an effort to more accurately assess an appropriate level of Greater Rift" it is noticeable for high grifts you have to get like a 37key then grind out a bunch of rifts in succession to get into 40+. it's a change that should not have been included while the season is ongoing
Yeah there's a lot of people complaining that they can't get as high in trials anymore and it ruins the leaderboards. I agree with you. They should have just removed trials if they wanted to change them mid-season.
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They should just let you pick the level you want to play. I used to be able to get lvl 40/41 keys easily on my crusader but now with the colossal golgors its basically rng and you have to hope you don't get them in the final few waves. Now you need to do trials with dhs, if you didn't before. Either way, for crusaders, barbs and monks its currently conduit wars at the top, because its so hard to survive in lvls 41 and higher and you need a1 mobs, good density, and a conduit to kill the rg in time. Season 1 is pretty much competitively over, so most likely will just go back to non seasons, oh well.
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On September 25 2014 06:40 SyNc` wrote:
They should just let you pick the level you want to play. I used to be able to get lvl 40/41 keys easily on my crusader but now with the colossal golgors its basically rng and you have to hope you don't get them in the final few waves. Now you need to do trials with dhs, if you didn't before. Either way, for crusaders, barbs and monks its currently conduit wars at the top, because its so hard to survive in lvls 41 and higher and you need a1 mobs, good density, and a conduit to kill the rg in time. Season 1 is pretty much competitively over, so most likely will just go back to non seasons, oh well.
I thought there were no conduit pylons in GRifts
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On September 25 2014 06:40 SyNc` wrote:
They should just let you pick the level you want to play. I used to be able to get lvl 40/41 keys easily on my crusader but now with the colossal golgors its basically rng and you have to hope you don't get them in the final few waves. Now you need to do trials with dhs, if you didn't before. Either way, for crusaders, barbs and monks its currently conduit wars at the top, because its so hard to survive in lvls 41 and higher and you need a1 mobs, good density, and a conduit to kill the rg in time. Season 1 is pretty much competitively over, so most likely will just go back to non seasons, oh well.
if you could pick your level, most people would play insanely high levels to level their gems with no hope of ever beating the timer. (outside hardcore, of course.)
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On September 25 2014 09:07 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 06:40 SyNc` wrote:
They should just let you pick the level you want to play. I used to be able to get lvl 40/41 keys easily on my crusader but now with the colossal golgors its basically rng and you have to hope you don't get them in the final few waves. Now you need to do trials with dhs, if you didn't before. Either way, for crusaders, barbs and monks its currently conduit wars at the top, because its so hard to survive in lvls 41 and higher and you need a1 mobs, good density, and a conduit to kill the rg in time. Season 1 is pretty much competitively over, so most likely will just go back to non seasons, oh well. if you could pick your level, most people would play insanely high levels to level their gems with no hope of ever beating the timer. (outside hardcore, of course.)
I meant they should let you pick any level that you've already gotten through a trial. So if you've gotten up to 50 through trials you can pick any level up to 50.
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So getting a high score pre-patch was about getting a high level at trials, and then one chance to be lucky with the map? Rather than getting to 38 in the trials and actually work yourself up to 42 or whatever? I can see that they wanted to change that, although nerfing mid-season isn't a great idea for the people aiming to get on top of the ladder.
Well, for me that is nowhere near the top of the ladder (23 with my disintegrate wiz!!  ) I don't mind the change. Actually it is a bit annoying to get lucky in the trials and then end up in a too hard grift. I haven't played post-patch though.
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why does it matter if they change it midseason?
if you can beat the GR, it doesnt matter if you start at 39 or 41. it takes more time because you have to do lower rifts, but not that big of a deal. the only circumstance where i think it matters is if you are relying on luck to get a good rift then i guess its harder to get a good rift with the change.
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Yeah, as I understood from the posts above, now you would have to be (increasingly) lucky on 40, 41 AND 42, rather than being just lucky on 42, which is ofc more likely.
It is pretty clear that there are easy and hard grifts, so you will always be able to push a few levels above your "average" top level with lucky maps. So I guess if people are already essentially maxed out on gear, giving then an average top level of (say) 39, but it is now very unlikely to push 3 levels above average through luck, then it'll be hard to ever beat the current top score of 42. (disclaimer: numbers made up)
did I get that right?
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On September 25 2014 09:33 dAPhREAk wrote:
why does it matter if they change it midseason?
if you can beat the GR, it doesnt matter if you start at 39 or 41. it takes more time because you have to do lower rifts, but not that big of a deal. the only circumstance where i think it matters is if you are relying on luck to get a good rift then i guess its harder to get a good rift with the change.
it matters because it's not an issue of can or can't beat the rift. it's the rng of what spawns, what map, what pylons you get in for a string of consecutive rifts
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On September 25 2014 09:33 dAPhREAk wrote:
why does it matter if they change it midseason?
if you can beat the GR, it doesnt matter if you start at 39 or 41. it takes more time because you have to do lower rifts, but not that big of a deal. the only circumstance where i think it matters is if you are relying on luck to get a good rift then i guess its harder to get a good rift with the change.
For a crusader or barb it takes a long time to take down the rg. After 40 it takes barbs about 7-10 mins to kill an rg without a conduit. Condemn crusaders take about 4-5 past 40. You need to find a good rift with good mobs and finish it with plenty of time left over for the rg, at which point the rg has to be an easy one (not the lightning one or ghom). Barbs and crusaders can quit their current attempt after 5 mins knowing that they won't complete it. For me personally, I need for the rg to pop with 4 mins left as the worst case scenario at lvl 40+. Getting that kind of rift is pretty hard, which means no one wants to go through sets of rifts before getting the chance to attempt to beat their record. Everyone wants to go straight to the level they need.
On September 25 2014 09:39 Cascade wrote:
Yeah, as I understood from the posts above, now you would have to be (increasingly) lucky on 40, 41 AND 42, rather than being just lucky on 42, which is ofc more likely.
It is pretty clear that there are easy and hard grifts, so you will always be able to push a few levels above your "average" top level with lucky maps. So I guess if people are already essentially maxed out on gear, giving then an average top level of (say) 39, but it is now very unlikely to push 3 levels above average through luck, then it'll be hard to ever beat the current top score of 42. (disclaimer: numbers made up)
did I get that right?
Exactly.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
they don't seem to take the competitive integrity of the first season very seriously. it's feeling like the first version of paragon levels right now.
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strong arm bracers so hard to get been trying to get a better pair than the ones i already have and after like 10 fucking years finally get a pair that ends up with 21%+ dmg[vs 29%] and same fucking int/vit stats
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The trial system is just a terrible concept. I'm sure glad I'm playing a DH right now. I can do both grifts and trials on my best geared character. Wizards are terrible at trials. You'll be constantly getting grift keys that would be 10 levels lower than the grift you can actually accomplish. No idea about the other chars but I imagine Raekor barbs should be good at the trials as well.
What's the condemn spec for crusaders?
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On September 26 2014 00:19 andrewlt wrote:
The trial system is just a terrible concept. I'm sure glad I'm playing a DH right now. I can do both grifts and trials on my best geared character. Wizards are terrible at trials. You'll be constantly getting grift keys that would be 10 levels lower than the grift you can actually accomplish. No idea about the other chars but I imagine Raekor barbs should be good at the trials as well.
What's the condemn spec for crusaders?
blade of prophecy + seasonal shield
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On September 26 2014 00:19 andrewlt wrote:
The trial system is just a terrible concept. I'm sure glad I'm playing a DH right now. I can do both grifts and trials on my best geared character. Wizards are terrible at trials. You'll be constantly getting grift keys that would be 10 levels lower than the grift you can actually accomplish. No idea about the other chars but I imagine Raekor barbs should be good at the trials as well.
What's the condemn spec for crusaders?
How are wizards terrible at trials? I run arcane hydra, reduced cost blizzard, electrocute with the arcane power gaining rune, and meteor shower. I cover the screen in AoE the whole trial. Wizard is pretty easy mode for trials with the right build.
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On September 26 2014 03:23 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 00:19 andrewlt wrote:
The trial system is just a terrible concept. I'm sure glad I'm playing a DH right now. I can do both grifts and trials on my best geared character. Wizards are terrible at trials. You'll be constantly getting grift keys that would be 10 levels lower than the grift you can actually accomplish. No idea about the other chars but I imagine Raekor barbs should be good at the trials as well.
What's the condemn spec for crusaders? How are wizards terrible at trials? I run arcane hydra, reduced cost blizzard, electrocute with the arcane power gaining rune, and meteor shower. I cover the screen in AoE the whole trial. Wizard is pretty easy mode for trials with the right build.
Wizards suck at trials because their build shines vs elites, and is not very efficient vs white mobs, which is all trials are. Not to mention everything is so spread out in trials. Looking at your profile, you have 0 elemental dmg and 0 skill damage. Your spec is all over the place and although it might be fun it probably isn't even efficient for t5. Not quite sure how you can say trials are easy mode. Yes it might be easy mode for the first few waves but it is definitely hard when you get to wave 40 and higher. You're not even running the build that allows wizards to go past the lvl 35.
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On September 26 2014 03:23 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 00:19 andrewlt wrote:
The trial system is just a terrible concept. I'm sure glad I'm playing a DH right now. I can do both grifts and trials on my best geared character. Wizards are terrible at trials. You'll be constantly getting grift keys that would be 10 levels lower than the grift you can actually accomplish. No idea about the other chars but I imagine Raekor barbs should be good at the trials as well.
What's the condemn spec for crusaders? How are wizards terrible at trials? I run arcane hydra, reduced cost blizzard, electrocute with the arcane power gaining rune, and meteor shower. I cover the screen in AoE the whole trial. Wizard is pretty easy mode for trials with the right build.
What level can you typically reach?
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Does attack speed help with skills like Ray of Frost, Disintegrate, Tempest Rush, etc?
Does "Increases Meteor Damage" affect the meteors that come out from Tal Rasha's set?
Is there a way to manipulate which acts give bonus bounty awards?
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Caldeum1977 Posts
On September 26 2014 10:03 jetburger wrote:
Does attack speed help with skills like Ray of Frost, Disintegrate, Tempest Rush, etc?
Does "Increases Meteor Damage" affect the meteors that come out from Tal Rasha's set?
Is there a way to manipulate which acts give bonus bounty awards?
Yes, but it also spends your resources faster.
Yes.
No, it is a global server thing.
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