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On December 20 2012 05:41 Obvious.660 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:57 aseq wrote:
Very true. But the very thought about the farming process, and the necessity or partaking in it to be able to compete in the endgame, makes me tired before having started. This process makes the game unsuited for a percentage of players ( including me), but I can understand that for some of them this is one of 3 options (besides putting in lots of time or quitting).
This sort of thinking is something I have trouble understanding. The farming is the endgame (given that PVP is nowhere in sight). How is a slot machine competitive? Pulling the lever faster? Upon what are you setting your benchmark? Is it the Top-100 geared players? The record holders? IMO, if you're competing with anyone other than yourself in Diablo 3 you cease to be playing for fun and, more power to you, the game is probably not a good fit for you.
Call it a hunch, but I think pvp is right around the corner. With PoE hitting open beta very very soon, and then this massive bot ban wave that cleared out pratically the entire playerbase, it's safe to assume they're preparing for pvp.
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On December 20 2012 05:58 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Call it a hunch, but I think pvp is right around the corner. With PoE hitting open beta very very soon, and then this massive bot ban wave that cleared out pratically the entire playerbase, it's safe to assume they're preparing for pvp.
Would that were true, perhaps I could move a few more auctions per week instead of my 2-3 
I'm not excited for PVP, but I'm excited for the prospect that it can breathe some life back into the game, so let's hope you're right!
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For anyone else bored of D3 and have some spare balance, you can sell some D3 pixels for Blizzard Balance and upgrade to MoP for 30 or SC2 to HotS for $40 without paying the 15% paypal fees or sales tax. Then again, MoP is still $20 from amazon; its more the principle of directly selling an item for a game.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dVgkLl.png)
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I swear I'm not a Blizz employee. I'm just playing my 10day MoP trial and noticed the option. (can't level to 86 tho hehe)
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Yeah I got that e-mail as well......I know this is off topic but like....they want you to get re-addicted to that heroine of a video game and all they are offering is 10 days?!?! Minimum a month.
Anyway, just wondering - Do you need an Authenticator just for BNET Balance from D3? If I could make a few $ enough to buy HoTS I would do that. Thanks.
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Nope, only need an authenticator for paypal. You can keep a Blizz Balance without even a valid credit card associated.
I'm not that impressed by MoP. I'm asian and don't like the oriental theme in my WoW universe. Mostly I just felt like seeing if the talent system seemed as lame as Beta, and solo some TK again for kicks.
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On December 20 2012 06:40 Burrfoot wrote:For anyone else bored of D3 and have some spare balance, you can sell some D3 pixels for Blizzard Balance and upgrade to MoP for 30 or SC2 to HotS for $40 without paying the 15% paypal fees or sales tax. Then again, MoP is still $20 from amazon; its more the principle of directly selling an item for a game. I swear I'm not a Blizz employee. I'm just playing my 10day MoP trial and noticed the option. (can't level to 86 tho hehe)
I refunded D3 like a day after it came out. Hoping they put a christmas sale on it like they will with WoW and SC2
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On December 19 2012 17:57 heishe wrote:
The RNG of Blizzard may be buggy, or somewhat off. As far as I remember, one dude of elitistjerks did some nice data collection on this a few years ago for WoW, and they noticed a huge variance and standard deviation from the expected values of drops after a certain number of tries, e.g. a lot people would literally go dozens of runs without finding something that supposedly had a 1x% drop chance while a lot of other people would get those items dozens of times in a row, thus evening out the EVs in the distribution but making it feel like a roaler coaster for individual persons.
Back then it seemed like the distribution their RNG was simulating wasn't evenly distributed for all users smoothly, instead there were a lot of spikes. I have no idea if they have an RNG engineer over at Blizzard or something, but I don't think it's completely unlikely that they just used old WoW server RNG code because they deemed it working (don't fix what's not broken), so it might still have the same spikes. This would explain 13+ 50% runs (that's less than a 0.0002% chance) that a lot of people seem to be experiencing.
I'm not sure why you think people write their own rng code, we all use common libraries... granted I don't work for a huge company (nor ever have), but I've never even heard of something called a RNG engineer.
The only thing I've seen Blizzard do to 'control range' is the concept of super high proc-rate + internal cooldown; like on the hellfire ring or shenlong fists or WoW trinkets.
And the reason why people hit these spikes? It's not that hard to understand; I've made 2 rings; it took me roughly 12 uber fights to get the parts (MP4 - 6 runs) and around 100 key runs to get the keys.
People who've made dozens of rings have literally done thousands of key runs. It starts to be more likely that there'll be a dry spell, and you are going to notice it.
If you prefer math, plug in some numbers following this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Run.html I'm not that good at math, but some people on wikipedia were messing around and it looks like 1000 trials gives average streaks of 7-13 depending on whose math you trust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Mathematics/2012_September_25).
Without reading that EJ post; I can't say for sure but I'm pretty confident that you can't calculate range the way you're describing too.
Besides: http://www.newspress.me/sports/carolina-panthers-wants-fans-help-in-ending-winless-coin-flip-streak
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so, im guessing botters are not fazed by blizzard's recent ban. after the ban i put all my +gf / +mf gear on AH. a ring i bought for my merc for around 50k has a bid of around 500,000 right now with a couple hours left to go.
if you have +gf gear, put it up. its at a premium now.
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On December 20 2012 06:48 Burrfoot wrote:
Nope, only need an authenticator for paypal. You can keep a Blizz Balance without even a valid credit card associated.
I'm not that impressed by MoP. I'm asian and don't like the oriental theme in my WoW universe. Mostly I just felt like seeing if the talent system seemed as lame as Beta, and solo some TK again for kicks.
As far as i know people who bought a hard copy don't require an authenticator, however people who purchased D3 online need an authenticator to use BNet balance.
As of right now i can't put items up for auction on the RMAH.
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On December 20 2012 07:44 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 17:57 heishe wrote:
The RNG of Blizzard may be buggy, or somewhat off. As far as I remember, one dude of elitistjerks did some nice data collection on this a few years ago for WoW, and they noticed a huge variance and standard deviation from the expected values of drops after a certain number of tries, e.g. a lot people would literally go dozens of runs without finding something that supposedly had a 1x% drop chance while a lot of other people would get those items dozens of times in a row, thus evening out the EVs in the distribution but making it feel like a roaler coaster for individual persons.
Back then it seemed like the distribution their RNG was simulating wasn't evenly distributed for all users smoothly, instead there were a lot of spikes. I have no idea if they have an RNG engineer over at Blizzard or something, but I don't think it's completely unlikely that they just used old WoW server RNG code because they deemed it working (don't fix what's not broken), so it might still have the same spikes. This would explain 13+ 50% runs (that's less than a 0.0002% chance) that a lot of people seem to be experiencing. I'm not sure why you think people write their own rng code, we all use common libraries... granted I don't work for a huge company (nor ever have), but I've never even heard of something called a RNG engineer. The only thing I've seen Blizzard do to 'control range' is the concept of super high proc-rate + internal cooldown; like on the hellfire ring or shenlong fists or WoW trinkets. And the reason why people hit these spikes? It's not that hard to understand; I've made 2 rings; it took me roughly 12 uber fights to get the parts (MP4 - 6 runs) and around 100 key runs to get the keys. People who've made dozens of rings have literally done thousands of key runs. It starts to be more likely that there'll be a dry spell, and you are going to notice it. If you prefer math, plug in some numbers following this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Run.html I'm not that good at math, but some people on wikipedia were messing around and it looks like 1000 trials gives average streaks of 7-13 depending on whose math you trust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Mathematics/2012_September_25). Without reading that EJ post; I can't say for sure but I'm pretty confident that you can't calculate range the way you're describing too. Besides: http://www.newspress.me/sports/carolina-panthers-wants-fans-help-in-ending-winless-coin-flip-streak
Lol what?! I´ve made 23 rings now and i don´t think i´ve done far more than 50 triple-runs. Most of the runs were MP6-7.
Edit: Oh, keyruns, but still, that´s far exaggerated imo. If i would have to guess i´d say i´ve done like 150 keyruns, not including alkaizer MP1 runs.
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On December 20 2012 01:25 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:03 Arwa wrote:On December 17 2012 07:12 Grovbolle wrote:
So my friend found a tal rashas allegiance with
6% lightning dmg
289 Int
239 Vit
9% crit chance
62% Crit dmg
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On Hardcore :D WTH .. Gratz for your friend ... ... .... ..... Really a hardcore neck Yeah, it is fucking mentally good
Holy shit =\
I really want that on HC NA but I'm guessing you're EU >_<
only have 100m to throw at it anyway and that would no where near grab that 
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On December 20 2012 12:49 Samba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:44 Wuster wrote:On December 19 2012 17:57 heishe wrote:
The RNG of Blizzard may be buggy, or somewhat off. As far as I remember, one dude of elitistjerks did some nice data collection on this a few years ago for WoW, and they noticed a huge variance and standard deviation from the expected values of drops after a certain number of tries, e.g. a lot people would literally go dozens of runs without finding something that supposedly had a 1x% drop chance while a lot of other people would get those items dozens of times in a row, thus evening out the EVs in the distribution but making it feel like a roaler coaster for individual persons.
Back then it seemed like the distribution their RNG was simulating wasn't evenly distributed for all users smoothly, instead there were a lot of spikes. I have no idea if they have an RNG engineer over at Blizzard or something, but I don't think it's completely unlikely that they just used old WoW server RNG code because they deemed it working (don't fix what's not broken), so it might still have the same spikes. This would explain 13+ 50% runs (that's less than a 0.0002% chance) that a lot of people seem to be experiencing. I'm not sure why you think people write their own rng code, we all use common libraries... granted I don't work for a huge company (nor ever have), but I've never even heard of something called a RNG engineer. The only thing I've seen Blizzard do to 'control range' is the concept of super high proc-rate + internal cooldown; like on the hellfire ring or shenlong fists or WoW trinkets. And the reason why people hit these spikes? It's not that hard to understand; I've made 2 rings; it took me roughly 12 uber fights to get the parts (MP4 - 6 runs) and around 100 key runs to get the keys. People who've made dozens of rings have literally done thousands of key runs. It starts to be more likely that there'll be a dry spell, and you are going to notice it. If you prefer math, plug in some numbers following this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Run.html I'm not that good at math, but some people on wikipedia were messing around and it looks like 1000 trials gives average streaks of 7-13 depending on whose math you trust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Mathematics/2012_September_25). Without reading that EJ post; I can't say for sure but I'm pretty confident that you can't calculate range the way you're describing too. Besides: http://www.newspress.me/sports/carolina-panthers-wants-fans-help-in-ending-winless-coin-flip-streak Lol what?! I´ve made 23 rings now and i don´t think i´ve done far more than 50 triple-runs. Most of the runs were MP6-7. Edit: Oh, keyruns, but still, that´s far exaggerated imo. If i would have to guess i´d say i´ve done like 150 keyruns, not including alkaizer MP1 runs.
Your own numbers don't add up.
50 uber runs = 150 machines. Unless you mean everyone in the party brings their own machine; in which case it's 50 machines for you -> 150 keys still.
We do these things so often we forget just *how* often.
Anyways, you're doing these on a higher MP than I was assuming in my post (my experience is mp4-5, the guy talking about bad luck is MP5 as well); so your numbers will vary. A huge factor too is who exactly is supplying the machines; I tend to bring my own since my friends stopped playing; but if you have a group then obviously you'll spend much less time key farming.
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On December 20 2012 15:41 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 12:49 Samba wrote:On December 20 2012 07:44 Wuster wrote:On December 19 2012 17:57 heishe wrote:
The RNG of Blizzard may be buggy, or somewhat off. As far as I remember, one dude of elitistjerks did some nice data collection on this a few years ago for WoW, and they noticed a huge variance and standard deviation from the expected values of drops after a certain number of tries, e.g. a lot people would literally go dozens of runs without finding something that supposedly had a 1x% drop chance while a lot of other people would get those items dozens of times in a row, thus evening out the EVs in the distribution but making it feel like a roaler coaster for individual persons.
Back then it seemed like the distribution their RNG was simulating wasn't evenly distributed for all users smoothly, instead there were a lot of spikes. I have no idea if they have an RNG engineer over at Blizzard or something, but I don't think it's completely unlikely that they just used old WoW server RNG code because they deemed it working (don't fix what's not broken), so it might still have the same spikes. This would explain 13+ 50% runs (that's less than a 0.0002% chance) that a lot of people seem to be experiencing. I'm not sure why you think people write their own rng code, we all use common libraries... granted I don't work for a huge company (nor ever have), but I've never even heard of something called a RNG engineer. The only thing I've seen Blizzard do to 'control range' is the concept of super high proc-rate + internal cooldown; like on the hellfire ring or shenlong fists or WoW trinkets. And the reason why people hit these spikes? It's not that hard to understand; I've made 2 rings; it took me roughly 12 uber fights to get the parts (MP4 - 6 runs) and around 100 key runs to get the keys. People who've made dozens of rings have literally done thousands of key runs. It starts to be more likely that there'll be a dry spell, and you are going to notice it. If you prefer math, plug in some numbers following this: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Run.html I'm not that good at math, but some people on wikipedia were messing around and it looks like 1000 trials gives average streaks of 7-13 depending on whose math you trust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Mathematics/2012_September_25). Without reading that EJ post; I can't say for sure but I'm pretty confident that you can't calculate range the way you're describing too. Besides: http://www.newspress.me/sports/carolina-panthers-wants-fans-help-in-ending-winless-coin-flip-streak Lol what?! I´ve made 23 rings now and i don´t think i´ve done far more than 50 triple-runs. Most of the runs were MP6-7. Edit: Oh, keyruns, but still, that´s far exaggerated imo. If i would have to guess i´d say i´ve done like 150 keyruns, not including alkaizer MP1 runs. Your own numbers don't add up. 50 uber runs = 150 machines. Unless you mean everyone in the party brings their own machine; in which case it's 50 machines for you -> 150 keys still. We do these things so often we forget just *how* often. Anyways, you're doing these on a higher MP than I was assuming in my post (my experience is mp4-5, the guy talking about bad luck is MP5 as well); so your numbers will vary. A huge factor too is who exactly is supplying the machines; I tend to bring my own since my friends stopped playing; but if you have a group then obviously you'll spend much less time key farming.
Oh shit, you´re ofc right, we are a constant party of 6 people and everybody brings machines in.
Brainfart...
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wow i got a warning from blizzard for no reason?? not sure whether its a spam mail since its from Blizzard Entertainment" <noreply@blizzard.com
+ Show Spoiler +A user of the above account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for Diablo III by the In-Game Support staff of Blizzard Entertainment. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole. Though we are unable to discuss the outcomes of our investigations due to privacy concerns, rest assured that this incident has been looked into very thoroughly, and the appropriate actions have been taken on all involved accounts. Account Action: Warning Offense: Abuse of Game Mechanics The distinction between exploiting bugs and abusing game mechanics is a fine one. While bug exploitation involves the abuse of what is essentially a programming mistake, the abuse of game mechanics is the act of taking advantage of the limitations of the Diablo III game systems. Since the line between the sanctioned use and the abuse of game mechanics is sometimes unclear, we prefer to educate players before taking any action against the account being used. This category includes using/distributing game mechanics in a manner unintended by their design that: * Damages another Hero, their gameplay, the service itself and/or its economy Based on a review of the information presented, this Diablo III account has been given a warning. For further information, please view the Diablo III Policies and Terms of Use Agreement: (http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300722) and (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_tou.html). Please be aware that additional inappropriate actions may result in further disciplinary action, up to or including Account Closure; once an account has been closed, any characters, items, or auctions will be irretrievable. Any disputes or questions concerning this account action can only be addressed by Account Administration. To learn more about how Account Administration is able to assist you, and how to contact them via online ticket, please visit us at http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300515. We will be unable to investigate account actions over the phone - an online ticket is the only way to contact Account Administration. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time spent on Battle.net. Thank you in advance for respecting our position. Regards, Blizzard Entertainment Diablo III Customer Support http://battle.net/support
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On December 20 2012 16:49 justiceknight wrote:wow i got a warning from blizzard for no reason?? not sure whether its a spam mail since its from Blizzard Entertainment" <noreply@blizzard.com + Show Spoiler +A user of the above account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for Diablo III by the In-Game Support staff of Blizzard Entertainment. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole. Though we are unable to discuss the outcomes of our investigations due to privacy concerns, rest assured that this incident has been looked into very thoroughly, and the appropriate actions have been taken on all involved accounts. Account Action: Warning Offense: Abuse of Game Mechanics The distinction between exploiting bugs and abusing game mechanics is a fine one. While bug exploitation involves the abuse of what is essentially a programming mistake, the abuse of game mechanics is the act of taking advantage of the limitations of the Diablo III game systems. Since the line between the sanctioned use and the abuse of game mechanics is sometimes unclear, we prefer to educate players before taking any action against the account being used. This category includes using/distributing game mechanics in a manner unintended by their design that: * Damages another Hero, their gameplay, the service itself and/or its economy Based on a review of the information presented, this Diablo III account has been given a warning. For further information, please view the Diablo III Policies and Terms of Use Agreement: (http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300722) and (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_tou.html). Please be aware that additional inappropriate actions may result in further disciplinary action, up to or including Account Closure; once an account has been closed, any characters, items, or auctions will be irretrievable. Any disputes or questions concerning this account action can only be addressed by Account Administration. To learn more about how Account Administration is able to assist you, and how to contact them via online ticket, please visit us at http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300515. We will be unable to investigate account actions over the phone - an online ticket is the only way to contact Account Administration. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time spent on Battle.net. Thank you in advance for respecting our position. Regards, Blizzard Entertainment Diablo III Customer Support http://battle.net/support
Well you must've been abusing something.
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On December 20 2012 16:49 justiceknight wrote:wow i got a warning from blizzard for no reason?? not sure whether its a spam mail since its from Blizzard Entertainment" <noreply@blizzard.com + Show Spoiler +A user of the above account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for Diablo III by the In-Game Support staff of Blizzard Entertainment. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole. Though we are unable to discuss the outcomes of our investigations due to privacy concerns, rest assured that this incident has been looked into very thoroughly, and the appropriate actions have been taken on all involved accounts. Account Action: Warning Offense: Abuse of Game Mechanics The distinction between exploiting bugs and abusing game mechanics is a fine one. While bug exploitation involves the abuse of what is essentially a programming mistake, the abuse of game mechanics is the act of taking advantage of the limitations of the Diablo III game systems. Since the line between the sanctioned use and the abuse of game mechanics is sometimes unclear, we prefer to educate players before taking any action against the account being used. This category includes using/distributing game mechanics in a manner unintended by their design that: * Damages another Hero, their gameplay, the service itself and/or its economy Based on a review of the information presented, this Diablo III account has been given a warning. For further information, please view the Diablo III Policies and Terms of Use Agreement: (http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300722) and (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_tou.html). Please be aware that additional inappropriate actions may result in further disciplinary action, up to or including Account Closure; once an account has been closed, any characters, items, or auctions will be irretrievable. Any disputes or questions concerning this account action can only be addressed by Account Administration. To learn more about how Account Administration is able to assist you, and how to contact them via online ticket, please visit us at http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300515. We will be unable to investigate account actions over the phone - an online ticket is the only way to contact Account Administration. We understand that these policies may seem harsh, but they are in place to ensure that every player is able to fully enjoy their time spent on Battle.net. Thank you in advance for respecting our position. Regards, Blizzard Entertainment Diablo III Customer Support http://battle.net/support
Somehow that doesn´t look legit to me at all, but i never got an official warning or whatever.
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Botters have little to do with the gold price. Yes, item-inflation might be botters fault, but the price went from 0,28€ after 1 smaller and 1 bigger banwave towards 0,25€ ... someone is either duping tons of gold or something very fishy is going on. Chinese 24/7 bots are still running without an issue.
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On December 20 2012 13:20 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:25 Grovbolle wrote:On December 20 2012 01:03 Arwa wrote:On December 17 2012 07:12 Grovbolle wrote:
So my friend found a tal rashas allegiance with
6% lightning dmg
289 Int
239 Vit
9% crit chance
62% Crit dmg
......
On Hardcore :D WTH .. Gratz for your friend ... ... .... ..... Really a hardcore neck Yeah, it is fucking mentally good Holy shit =\ I really want that on HC NA but I'm guessing you're EU >_< only have 100m to throw at it anyway and that would no where near grab that
Yes on EU, also not my amulet 
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65715474&f=179&p=439960898#p439960898
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can anyone help me out here? Im thinking of coming back to D3 but i need to know what changed.
Last time i quit was when the paragom came out. So since then what changed?
Also, do people still make money off D3?
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On December 20 2012 20:09 .ImchEEzy wrote:
can anyone help me out here? Im thinking of coming back to D3 but i need to know what changed.
Last time i quit was when the paragom came out. So since then what changed?
Also, do people still make money off D3?
1.06 changed everything. EVERYTHING. You should read the notes.
As for people making money, I'm sure there are, but clearly trending down until PvP hits.
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