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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Carapas
Canada242 Posts
On April 20 2012 07:17 skyR wrote: It's not going to be a competitive esports platform like SC2 or even WoW so I think that's a pretty bad idea. IMO, good competitive esports game did not really had the intention of becoming an esport. Quake was not intended to be an esports game, BW too. I don't know for CS but I don't think valve made it with the intention to have a big competitive scene. If the community really thinks there is some potential about pvp and starts hyping it, i'm pretty sure blizzard will jump on the opportunity for the money. But switching from sc2 to d3 with the intention of commenting it, it's pretty bad at the moment. We do not even know if the game will ever be competitive and there won't be any pvp on release, so yeah just wait and see. | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On April 20 2012 07:17 skyR wrote: It's not going to be a competitive esports platform like SC2 or even WoW so I think that's a pretty bad idea. I am confused by this; WoW was not originally a competitive platform. The whole debate regarding Diablo III's potential competitive scene just baffles me. When Starcraft first came out, did anyone think it would end up becoming one of the prominent E-Sport games? What about Counter-strike, Halo, Warcraft III, or even FIFA? The gross majority of games that turned toward the competitive scene had never been planned that way; it ended up that way because of us, the players. We do not know how the updated PvP system will pan out. Even the matches at Blizzcon were limited by the items, skills, and the general update of where we stand now. Hell, even MLG has talked about it during Blizzcon. Yes, it was a while ago, but it does show that given the end result of the patch, it may be viable. I do think it was rather wrong and quite naive of the Diablo III Dev. team to make the comment on how Diablo III will not become an E-Sport, and how they not aid it at all. I understand that they would wish to avoid it, and the game it not meant to be that way. But in the end of the day, whether or not the game ends up becoming competitive is up to us, the players. Blizzard could have put all their effort into turning Starcraft II into an E-sport, but it would not happen if it were not for all of us. The PvP will be balanced within reason, it has the potential but not guaranteed. I am neither for nor against Diablo III going that way, I just think it is stupid for anyone (including Blizzard) to denounce a games potential without it even being out, let alone players actually playing it. | ||
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indigoawareness
Slovakia273 Posts
I think D3 pvp is actually going to be Blizzard DOTA! You heard it here first. What I think is funny is how they say D3 pvp "doesn't live up to Blizzard standards." Anyone remember how stupid d2 pvp was? It was still a ton of fun. D1 for that matter..... when you died all your items dumped on the ground. The shittiness was part of the appeal and didn't detract from the fun. Some of my greatest memories from D2 were pking people and randomly fighting someone for their ear. They better make an D3 close to an esport or they are taking out an awesome experience for no reason. | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1259 Posts
I've spoken to a couple of people who were at blizzcon when they had the D3 pvp booths, and they said it should have great potential for watching as an esport. A little like WoW pvp, but far quicker, and far more exciting too. Anyone else have any thoughts? | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On April 20 2012 08:00 Duckvillelol wrote: Ok thanks for a little bit of feedback - and I totally understand caution. Like I said, it's just an idea right now - I figure if I do it I should really get my D3 knowledge up and running, and perhaps even get into some pre-release casting of game related stuff. I've spoken to a couple of people who were at blizzcon when they had the D3 pvp booths, and they said it should have great potential for watching as an esport. A little like WoW pvp, but far quicker, and far more exciting too. Anyone else have any thoughts? Well I know JP and Slasher had the same experience. Which is why it was brought up as a potential for MLG one day. I do think that it has more potential than WoW. The reason for this is simple; WoW suffered from the PvE and PvP being connected. Why is why the, "shut up PvP-Guy" saying was brought up. They did not want PvP to influence or dictate PvE. So Diablo III will have an advantage over WoW because its PvP is separated from PvE. So what ever skill (balance) changes are done to PvP, it will not influence PvE. Since that was WoW's biggest problem, which lead to PvE being screwed over and PvP was limited to what could be changed in the name of balance. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On April 20 2012 07:12 Duckvillelol wrote: Has anyone seen much info/video about the PvP arena feature? I've been... thinking about switching over from SC2 commentary to D3 pvp commentary. I have heard from a few people that it's perfectly viable, but of course I haven't seen much myself. Any ideas/thoughts/comments? You might want to look at this first Ignore the stupid troll crap for the 2nd half of the video. That doesn't mean it couldn't work at all but... Edit: The poster of the video is retarded, as that has nothing to do with WoW pvp. There is a longer video with more thoughts on D3 pvp, but that had the key part I wanted to show you. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
WoW on the other hand didn't have any of that. It was pushed by Blizzard to become an esports platform. It wasn't even balanced, 2345 vs 2345 was not fun to watch. If there was no support from Blizzard, it would have never gotten as big as it is / was. You would just have the little niche tournaments played on private servers. I'm pretty sure Blizzard has never said that PvP in D3 will be separate from PvE. | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On April 20 2012 08:53 skyR wrote: Fifteen years ago was a very different time than it is now, I'm sure very little people thought esports would grow to what it is today, most people just did it because versus is fun. Games like BW and CS had the basis to be competitive. It was moddable, it had LAN, it had HLTV / replay system, it was fair, and it just so happens that the game was or became balanced through patches and community maps. Simply, every game today is either designed to be an esports or not. If the arena system that is to come later in a patch does not have a replay / spectate system or the ability to join private games than I don't see how it could be a viable esports title... WoW on the other hand didn't have any of that. It was pushed by Blizzard to become an esports platform. It wasn't even balanced, 2345 vs 2345 was not fun to watch. If there was no support from Blizzard, it would have never gotten as big as it is / was. You would just have the little niche tournaments played on private servers. I'm pretty sure Blizzard has never said that PvP in D3 will be separate from PvE. They have, if you looked to the interview with Jay Wilson. Imagine a spreadsheet of all the skills for X class. In the spread sheet, there is a tab that is specific to PvP. The changes made in that node or tab will not influence PvE. So cooldowns, stuns, etc. can be altered without messing with PvE. The one thing Jay Wilson did mention is that, they do not wish to balance of change the damage of the skills. It more has to do with stuns/cooldowns. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:08 skyR wrote: It would be nice to link the interview that you are referring to... if you're talking about the video posted above, he mentions absolutely nothing even remotely close to the game having two distinct skill sets. Wasn't me talking about it, but I figured I'd link the full interview, not just the poorly edited clip I put up. Keep in mind, these are a bit dated at this point. | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:08 skyR wrote: It would be nice to link the interview that you are referring to... if you're talking about the video posted above, he mentions absolutely nothing even remotely close to the game having two distinct skill sets. Hardly beat me to it. | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1259 Posts
Perhaps I should curb my enthusiasm for the possibility of pvp commentating - unless someone has newer info that makes it look like a brighter prospect? | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On April 20 2012 07:58 indigoawareness wrote: ^ SC2 was designed specifically with esports in mind. I think D3 pvp is actually going to be Blizzard DOTA! You heard it here first. What I think is funny is how they say D3 pvp "doesn't live up to Blizzard standards." Anyone remember how stupid d2 pvp was? It was still a ton of fun. D1 for that matter..... when you died all your items dumped on the ground. The shittiness was part of the appeal and didn't detract from the fun. Some of my greatest memories from D2 were pking people and randomly fighting someone for their ear. They better make an D3 close to an esport or they are taking out an awesome experience for no reason. Hey D2 pvp was legit, as long as it was played on hardcore ladder servers to avoid all the duped carry over items and hacked items and 1shot builds of softcore. That shit was like playing Quake/UT on crack, people teleing around at 2nd to max fcr break points, having to fire your spells and tele in a way that trapped and lead your opponent then fhr locking them for big damage. Loling at the kids who thought they could use crap like auto-aim hacks which can't keep up with tele and fire to where you used to be as you kill them. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 20 2012 08:48 HardlyNever wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 20 2012 07:12 Duckvillelol wrote: Has anyone seen much info/video about the PvP arena feature? I've been... thinking about switching over from SC2 commentary to D3 pvp commentary. I have heard from a few people that it's perfectly viable, but of course I haven't seen much myself. Any ideas/thoughts/comments? You might want to look at this first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLLWpT_nsTE Ignore the stupid troll crap for the 2nd half of the video. That doesn't mean it couldn't work at all but... Edit: The poster of the video is retarded, as that has nothing to do with WoW pvp. There is a longer video with more thoughts on D3 pvp, but that had the key part I wanted to show you. Pretty stupid of them to say one thing and do the exact opposite. | ||
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gugarutz
Austria110 Posts
On April 20 2012 15:51 skyR wrote: Pretty stupid of them to say one thing and do the exact opposite. i hope they are just saying that because they want a fallback ("we said we'r not making it an esport, your point is invalid") if they fail with pvp .. but in reality they try to make it viable. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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gugarutz
Austria110 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:45 DeCoup wrote: They said they would never balance wow for pvp either when it launched and stuck by that for a long time. But eventually once everyone has a few characters to max and is up to the 'farm inferno' stage (Probably a year or 2 in) they will corrected that  i hope d3 is pvp viable tho | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On April 20 2012 15:51 skyR wrote: Pretty stupid of them to say one thing and do the exact opposite. Not really sure how they are doing "the exact opposite." They have a method for balancing pvp to some degree, that doesn't instantly mean esport. That just means they can make a somewhat more balanced pvp. There are still a lot of things they are NOT including to make it an esport such as spectator modes, rankings, etc. Who knows what will happen in the future, but if you go into this expecting an esport, you're probably gonna have a bad time. Maybe in an expansion they will focus more on pvp, idk. | ||
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