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Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
April 20 2012 14:08 GMT
#6301
Just got to level 11 on my Demon Hunter, shiiit Bola Shot tripled the amount of fun of playing this class.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 20 2012 16:31 GMT
#6302
On April 20 2012 21:53 HardlyNever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 15:51 skyR wrote:
On April 20 2012 08:48 HardlyNever wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2012 07:12 Duckvillelol wrote:
Has anyone seen much info/video about the PvP arena feature? I've been... thinking about switching over from SC2 commentary to D3 pvp commentary. I have heard from a few people that it's perfectly viable, but of course I haven't seen much myself.

Any ideas/thoughts/comments?


You might want to look at this first



Ignore the stupid troll crap for the 2nd half of the video. That doesn't mean it couldn't work at all but...

Edit: The poster of the video is retarded, as that has nothing to do with WoW pvp. There is a longer video with more thoughts on D3 pvp, but that had the key part I wanted to show you.


Pretty stupid of them to say one thing and do the exact opposite.


Not really sure how they are doing "the exact opposite." They have a method for balancing pvp to some degree, that doesn't instantly mean esport. That just means they can make a somewhat more balanced pvp.

There are still a lot of things they are NOT including to make it an esport such as spectator modes, rankings, etc.

Who knows what will happen in the future, but if you go into this expecting an esport, you're probably gonna have a bad time. Maybe in an expansion they will focus more on pvp, idk.


Well if they're making two distinct skill sets, this clearly tells me that Blizzard wants to have a basis for the game to turn into an esports. The only audience that this satisfies is the hardcore PvP audience. The casual and PvE audience doesn't care if PvP is balanced since it doesn't need to be for it to be fun.

I'm not expecting Diablo III to be an esports and I'm not looking forward to this type of system of having PvP and PvE skill rules.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
April 20 2012 19:42 GMT
#6303
On April 21 2012 01:31 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 21:53 HardlyNever wrote:
On April 20 2012 15:51 skyR wrote:
On April 20 2012 08:48 HardlyNever wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2012 07:12 Duckvillelol wrote:
Has anyone seen much info/video about the PvP arena feature? I've been... thinking about switching over from SC2 commentary to D3 pvp commentary. I have heard from a few people that it's perfectly viable, but of course I haven't seen much myself.

Any ideas/thoughts/comments?


You might want to look at this first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLLWpT_nsTE

Ignore the stupid troll crap for the 2nd half of the video. That doesn't mean it couldn't work at all but...

Edit: The poster of the video is retarded, as that has nothing to do with WoW pvp. There is a longer video with more thoughts on D3 pvp, but that had the key part I wanted to show you.


Pretty stupid of them to say one thing and do the exact opposite.


Not really sure how they are doing "the exact opposite." They have a method for balancing pvp to some degree, that doesn't instantly mean esport. That just means they can make a somewhat more balanced pvp.

There are still a lot of things they are NOT including to make it an esport such as spectator modes, rankings, etc.

Who knows what will happen in the future, but if you go into this expecting an esport, you're probably gonna have a bad time. Maybe in an expansion they will focus more on pvp, idk.


Well if they're making two distinct skill sets, this clearly tells me that Blizzard wants to have a basis for the game to turn into an esports. The only audience that this satisfies is the hardcore PvP audience. The casual and PvE audience doesn't care if PvP is balanced since it doesn't need to be for it to be fun.

I'm not expecting Diablo III to be an esports and I'm not looking forward to this type of system of having PvP and PvE skill rules.


I don't agree with that logic at all. That is all I can really say. Just because they they are trying to create a somewhat balanced pvp, does not mean it they are trying to make it an esport. It just doesn't. If you see it differently, then I guess we'll just have to disagree, but I don't see why improving the pvp in any fashion immediately says "esport." That is very binary thinking, to me.

As Jay Wilson says, he is well aware people are going to TRY to turn it into an esport. Whether or not they succeed we will just have to see, but that route won't be directly supported by Blizzard

Again, there are a lot of things they AREN'T doing, that you would expect in an "esport" at this point, as well.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
April 20 2012 21:36 GMT
#6304
Just finished the beta, and I'm not that fond of the skill system. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer Diablo 2's or Torchlight's system.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
April 20 2012 21:51 GMT
#6305
did the beta pretty clueless, am shocked by the skill system, no points for attributes and u get every skill just by leveling up and not some talent trees. thats kinda bad, besides that witchdoctor seems rather bad earlygame and Demonhunter is so much fun :3
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 20 2012 23:48 GMT
#6306
On April 21 2012 06:51 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
did the beta pretty clueless, am shocked by the skill system, no points for attributes and u get every skill just by leveling up and not some talent trees. thats kinda bad, besides that witchdoctor seems rather bad earlygame and Demonhunter is so much fun :3

yea honestly. it's like playing the game on auto pilot
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 21 2012 02:02 GMT
#6307
I love the homage to Golden Axe. Anyone that played that game will know what I am talking about
jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
April 21 2012 02:32 GMT
#6308
Got to level 5 on my Witchdoctor, not sure why people think he's weak early game. You just have to snare everything and make sure you keep spiders and dogs up.

Other than that, was never really a huge fan of Diablo for whatever reason. It's great fun, but I don't think I'll blow 60 bucks on it. If anything I'll just get Diablo 2 for like 20.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
April 21 2012 02:34 GMT
#6309
The absolutely worst part with D3 is the change to the skill system. Did they really have to dumb it down this much? I mean it feels so wrong not really having any choice leveling up, feels like everything is auto, what skills you get, what stats go up and the runes. What happened to actually tweaking your character using different builds? What happened to the amazing discussions whether this extra point in this skill over that other skill was worth it or not.

No sorry but I can't say I'm too pleased with these changes, also the max players = 4 is terrible considering that I have a group of 5 friends who would love to play together but right now one of us have to skip playing every single session...
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
April 21 2012 03:05 GMT
#6310
Game seems alright. The constant disconnects, errors, and crashes is fucking annoying though. And you'd think there would be less crashes and errors as the game release date is less than a month but no. >_> C'mon Blizzard.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
April 21 2012 03:14 GMT
#6311
On April 21 2012 12:05 EienShinwa wrote:
Game seems alright. The constant disconnects, errors, and crashes is fucking annoying though. And you'd think there would be less crashes and errors as the game release date is less than a month but no. >_> C'mon Blizzard.


The game itself is stable. The servers aren't though, that's why you are helping them fix it now.

Maybe they also underestimated the load too who knows.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
April 21 2012 03:22 GMT
#6312
So during open beta just did a run through as the witch dr. why can I not attack with my weapon of choice. For instance I cant use my dagger :/ Why? It says that it begins being used when low on mana, so whats the point in having a hand weapon altogether besides the stats doesn't it impact my skills in anyway?
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
April 21 2012 04:40 GMT
#6313
How do you assign skills to a category they're not listed under?
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 21 2012 04:42 GMT
#6314
Turn on elective mode in options.
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
April 21 2012 04:52 GMT
#6315
Thanks!

That was... so intuitive -.-
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
Medzo
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States627 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 05:02:02
April 21 2012 05:01 GMT
#6316
On April 21 2012 12:22 mcmartini wrote:so whats the point in having a hand weapon altogether besides the stats doesn't it impact my skills in anyway?


All damage, including spells, is weapon based.

On April 21 2012 13:52 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
That was... so intuitive -.-


Agreed. Cant understand why they are going this way with the UI.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
April 21 2012 06:56 GMT
#6317
Not enjoying the skill system at all, I don't need the game to play for me tbh :S
pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
April 21 2012 07:43 GMT
#6318
Just finished my first run. Server is stable and i don't get any disconnect the whole 3-4 hours of the my play. The game is too short too judge anything but my guess would be it is going to be like sc2. Hardcore fan will complain, casual player will finish the game once and leave. the game will not be a legend like diablo 2
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 21 2012 07:54 GMT
#6319
On April 21 2012 14:01 Medzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 12:22 mcmartini wrote:so whats the point in having a hand weapon altogether besides the stats doesn't it impact my skills in anyway?


All damage, including spells, is weapon based.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 13:52 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
That was... so intuitive -.-


Agreed. Cant understand why they are going this way with the UI.

wtf? really? it didn't say that anywhere in spell descriptions. Actually spell descriptions are crap, I got no clue what is their exact damage and that is irritating.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 21 2012 08:00 GMT
#6320
As far as the game quality in my opinion game mechanics are crap, but gameplay itself is strangly satisfiying. But I had the same experience with Skyrim and that game became less fun more I played it.

Interesting, Path of Exile has great mechanics but much less fun gameplay then D3. I want a hybrid of those two games
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